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by **Garymac** » Wed May 31, 2006 9:48 pm

People who say Bent "isnt good enough" What exactly do you base your opinion on??

Im not saying he is my 1st choice but people say he isnt good enough without giving a reason, hes young, english, got pace, good finisher, great touch.

The lad has bags of potential, id in fact bump a thread which i made this time last year saying we should sign him from Ipswich for 2 million because he is better than Morientes but i cant be bothered looking!

So if someone can give me real reasons why he isnt good enough then id be keen to hear them.

Thanks.

And good bob you have got a clue, Sh!t wind up merchant if you think Rafas signings have been average you t!t.

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Wed May 31, 2006 9:48 pm

Andrew Johnson wrote:To be honest...I dont want Huth. I would much rather have Lescott from Wolves. I think he's a better defender and better on the ball than Huth. Also I can't see us keeping Yobo. A contract has been on the table for over a year now, and he still hasn't signed. I have a feeling that if Arsenal sell Campbell, Yobo will go there.

I'm glad we signed Johnson but not for £8.6m even though its only £5m up front. His scoring record is good, almost 1 in every 2, but 2 seasons of that was a Championship level. He is what we need, a striker with a bit of pace so hopefully him and Beattie can connect and come up with the goods!

Someone mentioned before that you need 2 strikers....who would you like to see Benitez bring in?

huth`s no nonsense in the dave watson and sami hypia mould, one of the most dangerous things in a football team is a centre half who thinks he is beckenbauer when he`s not, like phil babb.
i think lescott thinks he rio ferdinand.
huth and yobo would give you a good balance of height and pace, and i think yobo needs a bit of help when it comes to dealing with ariel threats.
regarding liverpools strikers, i wouldnt mind craig bellamy.
at first i wasnt too keen on the idea but the lad is very quick and he knows how to time a run, the amount of times he gets called for offside when he isnt is amazing. plus he likes to arc his runs towards the touchlines but unlike cisse when bearing down on goal he`s prepared to get his head up and look for support before he takes a shot. shearer`s little indian summer a few years ago when his name was getting mentioned in england circles again had a lot to do with bellamy.
he has got a reputation for being a bit stroppy but i think liverpool and rafa are a big enough club and strong enough manager respectively to keep him in check.

by **65-1149024436** » Wed May 31, 2006 9:55 pm

We missed a trick not signing Bellamy....yes he has an attitude problem but with the right manager that would be sorted, like what Hughes at Blackburn has done with him.

What are the chances of getting him from Blackburn, he's quite loyal to Hughes.

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Wed May 31, 2006 10:00 pm

Garymac wrote:People who say Bent "isnt good enough" What exactly do you base your opinion on??

Im not saying he is my 1st choice but people say he isnt good enough without giving a reason, hes young, english, got pace, good finisher, great touch.

The lad has bags of potential, id in fact bump a thread which i made this time last year saying we should sign him from Ipswich for 2 million because he is better than Morientes but i cant be bothered looking!

So if someone can give me real reasons why he isnt good enough then id be keen to hear them.

Thanks.

And good bob you have got a clue, Sh!t wind up merchant if you think Rafas signings have been average you t!t.

i dont think one season proves anything to be honest mate and wasnt michael ricketts the top english scorer one year? he`s delivering letters or laying bricks or something now.
i have to also wonder about his big match temperament.
i saw him miss two absolute sitters in the f.a cup quarters against boro, he must have been a yard and a half out with the keeper flat on the floor but he scuffed the shot twice when all`s he had to was compose himself and dink it over the keeper - he had the time.
even for england i know it was only his first game but he snatched at a couple of decent openings and sent them miles over when you sense the real top quality strikers like owen and rooney look to the manor born even in their first cap.
i know all strikers miss but i just get the sense he is a bit of a fair weather player.
i could be wrong though mate.

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Wed May 31, 2006 10:08 pm

Andrew Johnson wrote:We missed a trick not signing Bellamy....yes he has an attitude problem but with the right manager that would be sorted, like what Hughes at Blackburn has done with him.

What are the chances of getting him from Blackburn, he's quite loyal to Hughes.

bellamy would come to us, united, chelsea or arsenal in a shot and i dont think hughes would get in his way.
he understands players want to play at the highest level possible and he left united himself to go to barcelona when the european ban was on so he knows the score in terms of seeing the situation from a players point of view.
obviously if bellamy was a local lad or had another type of infinity to the club like coming through the youth set up then it could get tricky but bellamys been a bit of a nomad in the past playing for clubs as diverse as celtic and norwich so i think he`d come here.

by **Garymac** » Wed May 31, 2006 10:16 pm

yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
Garymac wrote:People who say Bent "isnt good enough" What exactly do you base your opinion on??

Im not saying he is my 1st choice but people say he isnt good enough without giving a reason, hes young, english, got pace, good finisher, great touch.

The lad has bags of potential, id in fact bump a thread which i made this time last year saying we should sign him from Ipswich for 2 million because he is better than Morientes but i cant be bothered looking!

So if someone can give me real reasons why he isnt good enough then id be keen to hear them.

Thanks.

And good bob you have got a clue, Sh!t wind up merchant if you think Rafas signings have been average you t!t.

i dont think one season proves anything to be honest mate and wasnt michael ricketts the top english scorer one year? he`s delivering letters or laying bricks or something now.
i have to also wonder about his big match temperament.
i saw him miss two absolute sitters in the f.a cup quarters against boro, he must have been a yard and a half out with the keeper flat on the floor but he scuffed the shot twice when all`s he had to was compose himself and dink it over the keeper - he had the time.
even for england i know it was only his first game but he snatched at a couple of decent openings and sent them miles over when you sense the real top quality strikers like owen and rooney look to the manor born even in their first cap.
i know all strikers miss but i just get the sense he is a bit of a fair weather player.
i could be wrong though mate.

o basically you want us to sign a striker out of the prem who has constantly scored 20 goals a season and done it in big matches, who exactly do you suggest??

When you have a limited transfer budget you have to take a chance, theres no such thing as a guarenteed goalscorer for between 8-10 million, you have to take a chance, How many big games could Bent have possibly have played at Charlton or Ipswich, same with Cisse and Crouch they hadnt played a big game till they signed for Liverpool, You get better in big game situations by playing in them.

If you dont have the money then you have to take a gamble, you just need to take the right one and no matter who Rafa buys it will be considered a gamble becuase of who is replacing and becuase the player we buy, probably wont come from a big club.

Im not saying Bent is the man but hes a young lad whos done well and if rafa was to sign him id back him all the way.

by **65-1149024436** » Wed May 31, 2006 10:20 pm

Garymac wrote:
Garymac wrote:o basically you want us to sign a striker out of the prem who has constantly scored 20 goals a season and done it in big matches, who exactly do you suggest??

Michael Owen?

by **kopite_1232002** » Wed May 31, 2006 11:06 pm

The striker signing is the biggest rafa will have to make while being lfc manager,, iv we had a 30 goal a season striker last season things would ov been alot diffrent.

We need to invest into a world class striker, iv he costs 20 mil so what, he will pay for himslef wiv the goals he scores, its so important,

We should be going all out for owen, proven goal scorer season after season, i dnt care what he has done in the past, i care what is best for my team, and i think he is what we need

Come on Rafa show us the magic!!!

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Wed May 31, 2006 11:10 pm

Garymac wrote:
yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
Garymac wrote:People who say Bent "isnt good enough" What exactly do you base your opinion on??

Im not saying he is my 1st choice but people say he isnt good enough without giving a reason, hes young, english, got pace, good finisher, great touch.

The lad has bags of potential, id in fact bump a thread which i made this time last year saying we should sign him from Ipswich for 2 million because he is better than Morientes but i cant be bothered looking!

So if someone can give me real reasons why he isnt good enough then id be keen to hear them.

Thanks.

And good bob you have got a clue, Sh!t wind up merchant if you think Rafas signings have been average you t!t.

i dont think one season proves anything to be honest mate and wasnt michael ricketts the top english scorer one year? he`s delivering letters or laying bricks or something now.
i have to also wonder about his big match temperament.
i saw him miss two absolute sitters in the f.a cup quarters against boro, he must have been a yard and a half out with the keeper flat on the floor but he scuffed the shot twice when all`s he had to was compose himself and dink it over the keeper - he had the time.
even for england i know it was only his first game but he snatched at a couple of decent openings and sent them miles over when you sense the real top quality strikers like owen and rooney look to the manor born even in their first cap.
i know all strikers miss but i just get the sense he is a bit of a fair weather player.
i could be wrong though mate.

o basically you want us to sign a striker out of the prem who has constantly scored 20 goals a season and done it in big matches, who exactly do you suggest??

When you have a limited transfer budget you have to take a chance, theres no such thing as a guarenteed goalscorer for between 8-10 million, you have to take a chance, How many big games could Bent have possibly have played at Charlton or Ipswich, same with Cisse and Crouch they hadnt played a big game till they signed for Liverpool, You get better in big game situations by playing in them.

If you dont have the money then you have to take a gamble, you just need to take the right one and no matter who Rafa buys it will be considered a gamble becuase of who is replacing and becuase the player we buy, probably wont come from a big club.

Im not saying Bent is the man but hes a young lad whos done well and if rafa was to sign him id back him all the way.

i`d go for bellamy, i dont think he`s an out and out fox in the box goalscorer in the rush, lineker or clive allen mould but i think he`d get around 15 a season with liverpool and set up a load for his team mates.
as i said shearers indian summer a few years ago when he was mentioned in england circles again had a awful lot to do with bellamy. its no surprise when he left newcastle shearers renaissance stalled.
he constantly breaks the offside trap and gets into those one on one situations like cisse but unlike cisse he`s prepared to lift his head up and only shoots when there`s nothing else on.
by all reports he`s a selfish so and so as a person but as a player he`s certainly not.

by **Garymac** » Wed May 31, 2006 11:26 pm

Bellemy is my choice, i know its very much divided but if Rafa sat him down and told him "Listen Craig, this is it now, your at Liverpool, youve made it to one of the big clubs and this is your chance, dont blow it, if you do, no one will come sniffing round you again and you will spend your whole career at clubs like Blackburn and Boro wondering what night have been, you have world class players around you here and you are only gonna get better, you have so much potential to fill and we all want you to do it here, its in your hands now, do you wanna be a star of a Liverpool Team or do you want to be another Collymore, the choice is yours lad"

And then walk away, leaving him to decide his fate, Under Rafa and Gerrards influence, Bellemy could be a massive asset to the club, i swear once people see his work rate and ability out there they wont even remember Cisse.

I hope rafa signs him, as i think he would cost a lot less than Owen, and is, im tempted to say at this moment in time, a bigger threat.

Robbie Keane was laways my 1st choice but that chance has well gone, no chance Spurs will sell him now, theres a lad whos on the verge of forfilling his potential.

by **Good Bob** » Wed May 31, 2006 11:35 pm

Garymac wrote:People who say Bent "isnt good enough" What exactly do you base your opinion on??

Im not saying he is my 1st choice but people say he isnt good enough without giving a reason, hes young, english, got pace, good finisher, great touch.

The lad has bags of potential, id in fact bump a thread which i made this time last year saying we should sign him from Ipswich for 2 million because he is better than Morientes but i cant be bothered looking!

So if someone can give me real reasons why he isnt good enough then id be keen to hear them.

Thanks.

And good bob you have got a clue, Sh!t wind up merchant if you think Rafas signings have been average you t!t.

He has a decent amount of pace. He's a good finisher and is decent in the air. His movement outside the box is quite intelligent. However, he tends to struggle alot when teams defend fairly deep. He's generally quite sloppy and lacks skill and technique. He's not world class at any attributes and he's certainly not top of the list. I personally believe there is far better out there and it wouldn't suprise me to see him score about the 12-15 mark next season which i think is about his true level.

His goalscoring record this season has been impressive and he's a decent player but he's not what we need. He's not in the class of a player like Anelka, Ashton, Fowler or Owen. We need players who will consistently do it against the better sides, players that are the difference.

For all Rafa's good signings there has been a bad one.

Most are average signings, i wouldn't class the likes of Zenden, Agger, Kromkamp and Carson as good signings. I'm not saying they are bad signings, they aren't, they are there to make the numbers up.

by **bigmick** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:21 am

Bent is a decent prospect and surprised almost everybody (with due deference to the earlier poster who really fancied him at Ipswich) with the way he instantly adapted to life in the Premiership.
I think though when you are assessing a players relative worth it pays to look a little deeper than purely the goals scored column. In the case of Bent he operated for the majority of the season on his own up top for Charlton, who played most of their football on the counter-attack. He looks to be ideal for this role, running the channels with pace and power aswell as being an instinctive snap-shooter from outside the area and a physically powerful attacker of a ball in the air.
His close control and link up play though is of a limited standard in my opinion so he would be less suited to playing in a team which commands the majority of posession of the football during the game. I actually think his limitations were shown up quite clearly when he played for England in that he was largely innefective both in his providing of a goal threat and in his build up play.
That's not to say of course that he won't improve, I'm merely making the point that for the sort of money being talked about you'd have to be pretty sure that he was going to.
I would actually pose the question that if Cisse played for Charlton, with his absolutely searing pace and shoot on sight mentality would people think he would get close to Bent's goal tally this season? My own opinion is that he certainly would if played in a counter-attacking team up top on his own, but that doesn't mean that he is suitable for a Liverpool team which dominates most games and needs to open teams up. Bent's goalscoring prowess was not so startling after the first 8 or 9 games and he certainly isn't worth anywhere near 12 million pounds at the moment in my view.
Leon may or may not have been on a wind-up with his "small Welshman" thread, but if the reports that Bellamy has a "Champions League club 6 million buyout" clause, then he is the one for me.

by **LFC #1** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:45 am

100% spot on mick.

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:07 am

I am a Liverpool F.C. fan and have been all my life. However I also know about football, Cisse is our 2nd top goal scorer this season and has only played half the time, and most of that time on the RW. I want him to stay because I think he can prove his worth even more next season

Thanks God !!! I have been telling them (ppl who like Cisse to go ) but at the end of the day they claim that I'm no.1 Cisse Fan.

by **oakton** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:13 am

Cisse is kicking goals because of our world class midfield, Alonso and Gerrard feeds him the ball for him to kick goals and how many has he kicked? 19 right? well if we get a decent striker the tally should be at least 30. That's the main difference, it's our world class midfield that makes ordinary strikers like Cisse look not as bad.

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