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[DonnieDarko]

I am a Liverpool F.C. fan and have been all my life. However I also know about football, Cisse is our 2nd top goal scorer this season and has only played half the time, and most of that time on the RW. I want him to stay because I think he can prove his worth even more next season


Thanks God !!! I have been telling them (ppl who like Cisse to go ) but at the end of the day they claim that I'm no.1 Cisse Fan.

I have a question for you. Do you think Cisse raises the level of play of the team? It has nothing to do with goals. I am asking does he make Liverpool a better team when he is on the pitch. Think hard...

[Judge]

Bent is a decent prospect and surprised almost everybody (with due deference to the earlier poster who really fancied him at Ipswich) with the way he instantly adapted to life in the Premiership.
I think though when you are assessing a players relative worth it pays to look a little deeper than purely the goals scored column. In the case of Bent he operated for the majority of the season on his own up top for Charlton, who played most of their football on the counter-attack. He looks to be ideal for this role, running the channels with pace and power aswell as being an instinctive snap-shooter from outside the area and a physically powerful attacker of a ball in the air.
His close control and link up play though is of a limited standard in my opinion so he would be less suited to playing in a team which commands the majority of posession of the football during the game. I actually think his limitations were shown up quite clearly when he played for England in that he was largely innefective both in his providing of a goal threat and in his build up play.
That's not to say of course that he won't improve, I'm merely making the point that for the sort of money being talked about you'd have to be pretty sure that he was going to.
I would actually pose the question that if Cisse played for Charlton, with his absolutely searing pace and shoot on sight mentality would people think he would get close to Bent's goal tally this season? My own opinion is that he certainly would if played in a counter-attacking team up top on his own, but that doesn't mean that he is suitable for a Liverpool team which dominates most games and needs to open teams up. Bent's goalscoring prowess was not so startling after the first 8 or 9 games and he certainly isn't worth anywhere near 12 million pounds at the moment in my view.
Leon may or may not have been on a wind-up with his "small Welshman" thread, but if the reports that Bellamy has a "Champions League club 6 million buyout" clause, then he is the one for me.

Mick you need to change your name to Agatha Chrisitie (footy section), as i DO enjoy reading your ''novel sized'' posts

           

[Effes]

Bent is a decent prospect and surprised almost everybody (with due deference to the earlier poster who really fancied him at Ipswich) with the way he instantly adapted to life in the Premiership.
I think though when you are assessing a players relative worth it pays to look a little deeper than purely the goals scored column. In the case of Bent he operated for the majority of the season on his own up top for Charlton, who played most of their football on the counter-attack. He looks to be ideal for this role, running the channels with pace and power aswell as being an instinctive snap-shooter from outside the area and a physically powerful attacker of a ball in the air.
His close control and link up play though is of a limited standard in my opinion so he would be less suited to playing in a team which commands the majority of posession of the football during the game. I actually think his limitations were shown up quite clearly when he played for England in that he was largely innefective both in his providing of a goal threat and in his build up play.
That's not to say of course that he won't improve, I'm merely making the point that for the sort of money being talked about you'd have to be pretty sure that he was going to.
I would actually pose the question that if Cisse played for Charlton, with his absolutely searing pace and shoot on sight mentality would people think he would get close to Bent's goal tally this season? My own opinion is that he certainly would if played in a counter-attacking team up top on his own, but that doesn't mean that he is suitable for a Liverpool team which dominates most games and needs to open teams up. Bent's goalscoring prowess was not so startling after the first 8 or 9 games and he certainly isn't worth anywhere near 12 million pounds at the moment in my view.
Leon may or may not have been on a wind-up with his "small Welshman" thread, but if the reports that Bellamy has a "Champions League club 6 million buyout" clause, then he is the one for me.

Mick you need to change your name to Agatha Chrisitie (footy section), as i DO enjoy reading your ''novel sized'' posts

           

I thought he was changing it to Kofi Annan

[bigmick]

Feck me you try and bring a much-needed dose of perspective and dare I say it, a little insight into what was in danger of descending into a heated debate and all everybody can do is take the p!ss. Having said that, I deserve it I'm so far up me own erse sometimes it ain't funny

[account deleted by request]

A great post Mick, I cant say I agree with buying Bellamy, but still a good post. I would have liked to have seen Bent for another season before taking the gamble, but at this stage I think he may be the option we wil go for.

[Judge]

I deserve it I'm so far up me own erse sometimes it ain't funny

this must be you then mick


        

[Cool Hand Luke]

Lyon hope for Cisse talks

Lyon chairman Jean-Michel Aulas is looking to open negotiations with Liverpool striker Djibril Cisse in the near future.

Gerard Houllier is keen to work with the Frenchman after paying £14 million for him while at Anfield before leaving the club that summer.

Aulas is aiming to talk with Cisse during a break from France's World Cup preparations this weekend and is hoping to persuade the 24-year-old to move to the Stade Gerland.

"Gerard Houllier signed him at Liverpool, so he is a player he likes," Aulas said. "Also, Cisse knows Sylvain Wiltord very well.

"As Djibril has stated, Lyon could be a destination for him. We will study the situation more closely, maybe even during the two days break the French team has this weekend."

http://home.skysports.com/list.as....e+talks

[Cool Hand Luke]

Looks like this is a realistic deal that could happen sooner rather than later, the only stumbling block could be agreeing a transfer fee, but considering they were willing to pay an awful lot for Drogba I think we can expect a good fee.

[Cool Hand Luke]

Good Bob and bigmick have summed up Darren Bent quite nicely. He has decent all round ability, and will do well for a club like Charlton were he will find the space in behind, be the focal point of the attack and can regularly aim for 15 league goals a season, but when we need to break teams down he wont be much help because he has limited technique and is average in terms of build up play.

I would be shocked if we went for him.

[ivor_the_injun]

If Bent was available for £5m, he'd be worth a look. If the fee Charlton are looking for is around £10m though, I'd steer well clear. Crouch and Fowler are both better first team options, and what we need is a top drawer marksman that can walk into our starting 11. He's definitely a big fish/small pond kind of player, and I think he'd struggle at the top of our set up.

Bellamy at £6m seems a good price, but even so I'm not convinced. He has fits and starts of form, and has been woefully inconsistent over the years. As one of 4 strikers, I'd look at him, but I probably wouldn't have him ahead of Fowler in the pecking order.

I'm coming round to the Kuyt arguments, but there's always that fear that he'll turn out to be a Morientes or Kezman that just can't get to grips with the Prem.

It's a really tricky one, all told. On the plus side, it shouldn't be too hard to improve on Morientes and Cisse, but when we're looking to kick on to challenge for the title, Rafa really has to get it right. I still wonder if there are one or two names up his sleeve that we haven't heard mentioned yet.

[LiverpoolMadman]

I have a question for you. Do you think Cisse raises the level of play of the team? It has nothing to do with goals. I am asking does he make Liverpool a better team when he is on the pitch. Think hard...

I think its you have to think harder ... No matter Cisse have prove to us that he score more than Mori and PC.

But again, if Rafa wanted sell him... he should sell him last season.

Latest news that Lyon willing to pay 8m to Liverpool for Cisse. I have a bad feeling that if Cisse goes to Lyon and maybe in CL, Liverpool will meetup with them and Cisse will prove us wrong again.

Remember that I am the first few ppl who have been telling you all that Mori is NOT suitable for Liverpool last season and should gone to other club before next season starts.

[65-1149024436]

I think Craig Bellamy would be a good signing for LFC....He as the attributes of Cisse in pace, but he's a team player. He'll run with the ball, but has the ability to look up for team mates, from what I have seen of Cisse, he didn't have that ability.

Would Benitez go in for Owen, would you fans grace him with open arms after what happened?

[48-1119859832]

I have a question for you. Do you think Cisse raises the level of play of the team? It has nothing to do with goals. I am asking does he make Liverpool a better team when he is on the pitch. Think hard...

I think its you have to think harder ... No matter Cisse have prove to us that he score more than Mori and PC.

But again, if Rafa wanted sell him... he should sell him last season.

Latest news that Lyon willing to pay 8m to Liverpool for Cisse. I have a bad feeling that if Cisse goes to Lyon and maybe in CL, Liverpool will meetup with them and Cisse will prove us wrong again.

Remember that I am the first few ppl who have been telling you all that Mori is NOT suitable for Liverpool last season and should gone to other club before next season starts.

You really do love Cisse don't you? Yeah he scored 19 goals, which is a good contribution to our season and helped us a lot but look at the clubs he scored against. He scored against part timers, clubs at the foot of the table and he scored a fair few by mis-kicking the ball.

As I said if he had cost £2.5million then fine we would of had a bargain on our hands. But he cost us £14million and has the technical ability of a one legged roof layer. He has the awareness and vision of humpty dumpty. He's not a great player by any means.

78 appearances 24 goals is pathetic, even if he was played out of position and didnt play many full 90 minute matches.

[Reverend Yah]

My Two Cents(to quote Kent Brockman)is that Ol' Giblet's has managed to shoot himself in the foot with regards to the comments he's made of late and as we all know Rafa's very much of the belief that no player should question his choice's and is more than willing to offload players that do(I think).
As for a replacement I like Bent but is it a case of him doing what Beattie did at Southampton,one good season followed by not being able to hit a cow's (Or was that Phillips...I forget) and as for Bellamy,personally think he's a dick and I'd be surprised if Sparky would be willing to sell him as they look to make the step up next season.
Mind you this has all probally been covered already.....

[66-1112520797]

I think Craig Bellamy would be a good signing for LFC....He as the attributes of Cisse in pace, but he's a team player. He'll run with the ball, but has the ability to look up for team mates, from what I have seen of Cisse, he didn't have that ability.

Would Benitez go in for Owen, would you fans grace him with open arms after what happened?

I'd agree with what you said about Bellamy and as for Owen, personally I wouldnt want him. Not just because of the scenario in him leaving, but I believe we've already had Owen  at his peak. Young fast, raw to some extent in the fact he'd take defenders on. Now, he's lost his pace, still has an eye for goal though, but to injury prone aswell. So for me the negatives out way the positives.