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by **wrighty (not mark!)** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:29 am

Was watching the Charlton game last night (As there wasn't much else to do!) and i couldn't help noticing how instrumental Murph is for Charlton. You may cry
'Big fish in a small pond!' but it doesn't matter what team you play for if you can put in quality passes such as through balls and wicked corner kicks that he can either whip in or float in, you are good.

You may also say that Alonso is an excellent passer of the ball. That he is, but he is a completely different animal to Murph as he tends to sit back and spread the play. Murphy was playing in an advanced role last night forcing the tempo of the play and always looking for that killer pass that unfortunately, the people on the other end could not convert.
Imagine having both Alonso and Murph in the team?

-----------------------reina--------------------------------

Finnan Carragher Hyypia Warnock

Alonso

Murphy Gerrard Kewell

Cisse Crouch

It is true that murphy was never a right winger as Houllier often used him as. But you could always rely on him to put in an excellent cross or slide in a great through ball. Too often, we rely on Gerrard to do this now. How easier would it be for the team if you could have gerrard on the end of Murph's passes rather than our captain having to do everything?

I believe we made a big mistake in getting rid of Danny Murphy. OK, you might not play him from the start all the time, but I feel the likes of Crouch, Morientes (crosses) and Cisse (through balls) would have benefited greatly from Murph's invention. Just imagine how many more goals we would have scored so far this season ? I bit more than at the moment I would imagine.

Danny Murphy was a player who never gave up and was able to chip in with a few goals too. Sounds like the mentality that Benitez likes.

by **daddyo** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:42 am

Ease up a little!

Murphy is enjoying his football recently, and his relaxed state of being has led to him playing better, however don't let your judgement be clouded too much.
Did you also see how many times he gave the ball away?

He's playing within a different system which allows him to express himself more freely but he's still the same Danny Murphy who left us, that is to say he will have games where he looks like a world beater followed by pure sh*te.

I personally don't think it was a mistake to sell him.
From a football point of view i think the players we have now are generally,( a couple of exceptions apart) beter than what we had when he was here, and looking from where his head was-remember that comment he made about being in a team with more english players?, leading to him being labelled xenophobic........just a thought

by **wrighty (not mark!)** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:50 am

Relaxed state of being!? That's an interesting one. Compare the passes he made compared to the passes he lost. I can only remember one badly misplaced pass
(going over the left by-line) and that was about it. Yea, your right, he is allowed to express himself, like Benitez allows Garcia to do. I think Garcia is a good player and wouldn't want to lose him, but if Murph was allowed to play more without restrictions he could prove to be a v.useful squad player.

I don't know what the xenophobic thing is all about. Murph must have felt hard-done by being sold when there were players like who should have been sold before him. As far as I remember, wasn't Murph instrumental for us in qualifying for the champions league in Houllier's last season or the season before with a tally of 12 goals or sumfin?Just a thought

by **stmichael** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:03 am

Everyone knows that Danny was one of the most creative players we had, could take a great free-kick, and could strike a ball, but he was far too immobile to play centrally with Gerrard and never looked great on the flank. It's obvious that Danny's best position is as an attacking midfielder, with at least two players behind him, but we rarely afforded him that luxury, and as a result he left Gerrard isolated at times.

He lost a lot of possession, true, but I always argued that that was only because he was our only creative "link" passer; he made passes in the most congested area of the pitch.

He looks far fitter than he ever was at Liverpool, and I wish him all the best, but for Danny to shine he needs the team reshaped and built around him, which is fine at Charlton, but he isn't quite good enough to be afforded that luxury at Liverpool, in my opinion.

Having said that I'd still take him back over Zenden anyday of the week.

by **Judge** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:06 am

stmichael wrote:Having said that I'd still take him back over Zenden and garcia anyday of the week.

agreed

by **BringBackTiti** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:28 am

at the time it was proabably a choice between Alonso or Murphy I know who id prefer Xavi all the way.

by **Judge** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:36 am

i prefer Xabi, not xavi

bring back murphy campaign

by **wrighty (not mark!)** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:37 am

Judge wrote:bring back murphy campaign

It's for a good cause :;):

by **LFC #1** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:46 am

He wouldn't really get much of a look in now IMO, but with all the injuries we had last season, you can't help but think we sold him one year too early. He was better than Biscan, Diao or Welsh, who between them got plenty of games last season.

by **BringBackTiti** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:50 am

I might change my name to BringBackDanny haha

by **stmichael** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:58 am

It seems the nation and the media spend all their time glorifying half decent players who do nothing but score the occasional important goal yet get lauded for it. Lampard is the most extreme of these to date and his £35 million price tag is an absolute joke. OK so he can score from distance!

He just leads a long line which includes ljungberg, cahill, scott parker, gus poyet, david platt and probably many more who I can't think of right now.

Ok Murphy is playing well but everyone is going way overboard if they think it wasn't the right time for us to sell him.

by **Judge** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:01 pm

Judge wrote:
stmichael wrote:Having said that I'd still take him back over Zenden and garcia anyday of the week.

agreed

stand by your first comments stmike, its more credible :laugh:

by **wrighty (not mark!)** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:06 pm

stmichael wrote:It seems the nation and the media spend all their time glorifying half decent players who do nothing but score the occasional important goal yet get lauded for it. Lampard is the most extreme of these to date and his £35 million price tag is an absolute joke. OK so he can score from distance!

He just leads a long line which includes ljungberg, cahill, scott parker, gus poyet, david platt and probably many more who I can't think of right now.

Ok Murphy is playing well but everyone is going way overboard if they think it wasn't the right time for us to sell him.

Your missing the point St Mike. You mention the media overglorifying players such as Lampard, Ljunberg and such like because they score goals. Not being funny and I dont know about the rest of the forum but I wouldn't mind having a few regular goal scoring midfielders.

Also. No, it wasn't the right time to sell him, I think he should be at least on the bench even now.

by **stmichael** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:12 pm

wrighty (not mark!) wrote:
stmichael wrote:It seems the nation and the media spend all their time glorifying half decent players who do nothing but score the occasional important goal yet get lauded for it. Lampard is the most extreme of these to date and his £35 million price tag is an absolute joke. OK so he can score from distance!

He just leads a long line which includes ljungberg, cahill, scott parker, gus poyet, david platt and probably many more who I can't think of right now.

Ok Murphy is playing well but everyone is going way overboard if they think it wasn't the right time for us to sell him.

Your missing the point St Mike. You mention the media overglorifying players such as Lampard, Ljunberg and such like because they score goals. Not being funny and I dont know about the rest of the forum but I wouldn't mind having a few regular goal scoring midfielders.

Also. No, it wasn't the right time to sell him, I think he should be at least on the bench even now.

you say that, but last season we had more goals coming from the midfield area than the strikers. hell gerrard and garcia scored 26 between them. even riise scored 8.

at the end of the day, spud didn't help his cause by spurting to the media that he felt we shouldn't have appointed a foreign manager.

by **Garymac** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:14 pm

Funny how this subjects come up now when Murphy is playing well and not last season when he did fu*k all for Charlton.
Murphy could score a goal but his all round contrabution wasnt the best, if he would have stayed last season and made the impact for us as he has for Charlton, i have no doubt there would have been a topic "where we wrong not to sell Murphy?" Heskey scored a goal at the start of the season lets get him back as well.

Think this is just another thread to try and rafa look like hes making mistakes....we bought Cisse,Alonso and Garcia for 30 mil last year and we need to sell players to get them, and Murphy was one of a few players we would get money for, thats why Igor and Welsh didnt go.

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