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by **stmichael** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:30 pm

houllier must go at the end of the season even if we do get 4th spot in the league and i'll tell you why.

1) He thinks 4th spot is our aim and good enough for LFC! WRONG this is the most successful club in the history of English football and it was the fact even before he crossed the channel!

2) He and even some of LFC fans even compare GH with Fergi and say how long it took him to deliver! WRONG Fergi did NOT take over the most successful club of England he has worked to built one but GH took over, STILL, the most successful club of this country so GH has NO right to claim chasing 4th spot, from November!, should be the aim of LFC

3) Over years GH has nearly spent as much as what Chelski spent in just 3 months not 5 years, waste of time and money for LFC as Chelsea proved you do NOT need years to build a team to chase not only PL also CL title... the trick was the to bring in RIGHT & QUALITY players.. GH has failed to bring in quality players..

4) A club is as big as its expectations... and as pointed out earlier we deserve MORE than chasing 4th spot!

5) Real, Barca, Juve and Milan are not better and bigger club in Spain & Italy and than Reds in England... the difference with those clubs and us is that they do NOT accept what they are given, they act and SACK when needed but LFC board always failed to act when needed...

6) FCMilan sacked their underachieving manager 2 years ago, after just 2 months in charge, and won the title and CHAMPIONS LEAGUE last year... so that clearly shows if you make the changes when necessary and clear the dead wood you may still achieve what you plan... Big clubs do NOT wait 5-10 years to act! That’s why they are big...

7) The clubs that mentioned above would NEVER EVER put up with excuses and fail to remove the manager for the sake of club, and that’s why they are superior in football than us! and it hurts me as a Liverpool fan..

Let’s all remember that 1 win in 11 PL games was the worst result for 50 years under this management..

Reality is the above mentioned clubs would have sacked GH months ago that’s why that’s one of the reasons why they are superior in football than us...

My suggestion to LFC board is to wake up to this reality and raise the expectations by removing underachieving management & players because red shirt should not be that cheap for those overrated and overpaid manager and players.

by **greenred** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:54 pm

I agree with you mate.

by **RedSi** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:58 pm

You won't get a single argument from me StMichael, hear-hear mate. Hopefully this ex-Redrow homes guy, Steve something (?) will obtain a majority shareholding and start forcing the issue as he appears to be proper old-school LFC and won't tolerate what's going on.....

by **Owzat** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:28 pm

Simple reason why Houllier should be sacked :

Last 55 league games - P55 W21 D16 L18 PTS 79 (out of a possible 165 @ 1.44 points per game)

That record compares with the likes of Moyes and Curbishley who have spent considerably less yet average only slightly less points per game

by **Gareth G** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:31 pm

Wow, that is some bad stat's there!

Agree with everything said.

by **Supermarius** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:43 pm

And me

by **115-1073096938** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 11:47 pm

houllier must go at the end of the season even if we do get 4th spot in the league and i'll tell you why.

1) He thinks 4th spot is our aim and good enough for LFC! WRONG this is the most successful club in the history of English football and it was the fact even before he crossed the channel!

2) He and even some of LFC fans even compare GH with Fergi and say how long it took him to deliver! WRONG Fergi did NOT take over the most successful club of England he has worked to built one but GH took over, STILL, the most successful club of this country so GH has NO right to claim chasing 4th spot, from November!, should be the aim of LFC

3) Over years GH has nearly spent as much as what Chelski spent in just 3 months not 5 years, waste of time and money for LFC as Chelsea proved you do NOT need years to build a team to chase not only PL also CL title... the trick was the to bring in RIGHT & QUALITY players.. GH has failed to bring in quality players..

4) A club is as big as its expectations... and as pointed out earlier we deserve MORE than chasing 4th spot!

5) Real, Barca, Juve and Milan are not better and bigger club in Spain & Italy and than Reds in England... the difference with those clubs and us is that they do NOT accept what they are given, they act and SACK when needed but LFC board always failed to act when needed...

6) FCMilan sacked their underachieving manager 2 years ago, after just 2 months in charge, and won the title and CHAMPIONS LEAGUE last year... so that clearly shows if you make the changes when necessary and clear the dead wood you may still achieve what you plan... Big clubs do NOT wait 5-10 years to act! That’s why they are big...

7) The clubs that mentioned above would NEVER EVER put up with excuses and fail to remove the manager for the sake of club, and that’s why they are superior in football than us! and it hurts me as a Liverpool fan..

Let’s all remember that 1 win in 11 PL games was the worst result for 50 years under this management..

Reality is the above mentioned clubs would have sacked GH months ago that’s why that’s one of the reasons why they are superior in football than us...

My suggestion to LFC board is to wake up to this reality and raise the expectations by removing underachieving management & players because red shirt should not be that cheap for those overrated and overpaid manager and players.

1. He is being realistic. Next season is our aim to win the League Title and CL??? Get f##king real. You have to earn the right. The past is the past, the fact is we aren't good enough AT THE MOMENT!!! So he is aiming for the acheivable.

2. Thats just sheer boll##ks. Ferguson took over a club and developed it. Houllier took over a club that was going backwards and has stabilised it. He's now looking to take us forward.

3. The sheer height of stupidity. Liverpool CANNOT afford to spend £10m on each player and give them stupid wages. Houllier has to bring in 40 odd players to build a squad. When you pay £3-£5m for players they are usually a gamble and not the finished article. Some of them are going to fail, others will flourish. Its boll##ks for you to expect him to go out and build a team of £5m players and for them to be able to compete with a team of £15m players. Its absoloute sh##e in all honesty.

4. Repeating your point doesn't make it any more valid. The fact is we haven't won the league the league for 14 years. We aren't gonna win it for another 14 years unless we give managers a decent length of time to buid a squad they think is good enough.

5. Yeah thats why we've won f##k all. We've never sacked a manager and paid the price for it. I totally see where you are coming from. The fact that we've got this success rate and record means nothing. Lets start having two manager a season, that will solve our woes.

6. Firstly its AC Milan or Milano AC if you're italian

Alex Ferguson at Manchester United. All i need to say. Since they won the Europian cup there has been a steady decline. They are nothing like the force they once were. If you were on the Mancs board would sack Ferguson? Get real!!!

7. Oh right ok, so you don't accept the club was in serious decline when Houllier took over and he restored some pride back into the club? You don't accpet the fact he raised the expectations, we were BELIEVING we could win the league at times under Houllier, not hoping like under Evans. BIG difference. We are improving and will continue to do so next season.

The fact is your arguement has so many flaws and is so one sided its unreal. If you are going to argue a point, do it properly.

by **Dalglish** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:02 am

I'm with Stu on this one. the fact that many LFC fans believe we could challenge for the prem or should be is a sign that expectations have increased. For the 8 years or so before GH we were not having these debates because we KNEW we simply weren't good enough !!!!! I stood on the KOP from 91-99 and just KNEW we had not a hope of chalenging with maybe the exception of 96 when we could have nicked it from the Mancs but they were better then and we knew it . Its easy to say GH has spent too much money and in some cases it a legitimate argument, players such as Biscan, Diao and Diomede to name a few were por buys. Hyppia, Kewell, Rise, Kirkland and Baros were not. I'm not saying GH deserves another season ut the over reaction this season ahs saddened me personally and forget LFC sacking their Manager, they did it once in their history , its NOT the Liverpool Way. in the final analysis i'll be there next season cheering them on whoever is at the helm , the question is , will you ?

by **Dalglish** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:04 am

Mark Twain said there are "LIES, there are DAMNED Lies and there are STATISTICS" !!!!! LOL

by **XSD** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:55 am

stu makes a good point, I do get the feeling that next season will be much brighter.
Personally I'd rather see MON in for Houllier but sacking him or not I think next season will be interesting, especially if we sign some better players and our current ones improve.

by **Supermarius** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 1:49 am

You Houllier sympathisers make me sick.
Oh so we must realise now 4th spot is realistic aye..and come to terms with the fact we arent good enuff...i see!
THE FACT IS WE FCUKKIN SHUD BE GOOD ENUFF!
t#s#ers had his 5 yrs and spent a few quid along the way! Hes all over the place tatically and ...hes just a w#nk#r
Bring on the reserves! (if he hasnt released em all)

by **mrcool2003** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:32 am

i agree totally

by **Owzat** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 2:19 pm

Simple FACT - Houllier has spent as much money if not more than Wenger and achieved nothing like the success. How can you possibly claim we should be (happy with) being a 4th place team when we have the team and resources to compete with the top teams?

Or are the "Houllier sympathisers" going to suggest the team that HOULLIER assembled is *****? You can't have it both ways........

by **woof woof !** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 2:26 pm

stu_the_red wrote:.

Houllier took over a club that was going backwards and has stabilised it. He's now looking to take us forward.

We are improving and will continue to do so next season.

The past two seasons are what you would call "stable"?
Yeah I guess a club going absolutey nowhere (except in fkn circles) could be called stable.
Sorry but I don't think we are improving, we are treading water.slowly drowning.If it wasn't for Stevie G we'd be totally f*cked.

by **woof woof !** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 2:31 pm

Owzat wrote:Simple FACT - Houllier has spent as much money if not more than Wenger and achieved nothing like the success. How can you possibly claim we should be (happy with) being a 4th place team when we have the team and resources to compete with the top teams?

Or are the "Houllier sympathisers" going to suggest the team that HOULLIER assembled is *****? You can't have it both ways........

Totally agree. Fourth place for Liverpool should be seen as a consolation prize not a major f*cking achievement.
For christ sake some of you guys might be prepared to shovel Houlliers sh*t ,but you don't have to eat it.

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