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by **kopite_1232002** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:58 pm

i must be sad but every day i go on lfc.tv sky sports lookin 4 dif news, but out ov all the rumours this summer MO is the one i want the most, class act, scores plenty, even though were gettin r pants pulled down by real id pay 60mil 4 him, he is owen he is a out and out goal scorer, even wen he goes trough a bad patch he scores plenty well more than our top striker last season baros, i just want to no whats goin on,

i think there is goin on behind closed doors, letallac and baros r off, only leaves morrie cisse and crouch, u need 4 top class strikers this day and age, lpool r goin to play 70 odd games this season and crouch pullin his hamstring could be a blessin in disguise, is it true that sky have his as odds on 4 him to make a return?

time will only tell its windin me up,lets hope sumthin happens 2 moz!!!

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:00 pm

i was dead against the idea of owen coming back because he had obviously planned to leave a long time before he actually did and all that smoke and mirrors stuff involving his agent going on holiday for 6 months left a nasty taste in my mouth.
the timing wasnt great either because liverpool were at a critical stage in their history and needed all their quality players to rally round the flag.
but being fair to the lad playing under houllier must have sapped the spirit of any forward, never mind one whose game didnt naturally suit the long ball, the style of play offensively was directionless and once we conceded usually the game in terms of a contest was as good as over. it must have been difficult to play in a side who were getting lessons in the art of possesion from sides in the lower reaches of the table even at home. the fact that lifelong red and born and bred scouser steven gerrard was seriously considering leaving the club he spent his childhood dreaming about playing for shows how depressing a workplace liverpool football club had decended to.
maybe i`ve been a little harsh on michael, maybe he had reached the stage where he had just had enough of chasing aimless passes and saw madrid as the way out. i suppose he never left without a thought like some players who change clubs like socks, but his body language in his final season was that of a man who had been worn down over a period of time. he was just fed up, and i cant blame him, so was i to be honest. by the time rafa tried to persuade him to stay michael had already made up his mind. in a way i now hope he comes back, but if he doesnt - so be it.

by **kopite_1232002** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:14 pm

who would turn down madrid, he has lernt his lesson look at his face when he was workin for sky in the second leg against chel$ki, gutted the lad was gutted, come home owen

by **barnesrush** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:18 pm

odds shown on sky of where owen will be on the 13th aug:

real 1/2
pool 9/2
scum 9/1

think these are right. mancs mite have been different but first two are correct

by **El Nino_#9** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:34 pm

i don't get odds!
does this mean that owen is more likely to stay at madrid?
basically-
1st- madrid
2nd- pool
3rd manure

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:01 am

passmeistro_#14 wrote:i don't get odds!
does this mean that owen is more likely to stay at madrid?
basically-
1st- madrid
2nd- pool
3rd manure

the left hand column is what you win and the right is for what stake.
i.e 2/1 if you lay out a pound you win two.(plus your stake)
9/2 this is just a easier way of writing 4 and a half to 1

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:05 am

Kopboyau wrote:he's a finisher.

B*llocks. Fowler was a finisher, Owen is a c*nt.

Owen was either on fire, or he could have 50 shots and still not score. His penalty taking is abysmal, and that is a good measure of a striker. He's a pussy, and the last game I went to watch with him playing, I'd have scored the chances he f*cked up. He looked less interested than an ADD sufferer at a narcalepsy convention.

by **The_Rock** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:00 am

i noe quite a few here don't like owen for screwing us (ie....stalling on signing a contract extention..which eventually reduced his transfer valuation). Yes, i too don't like owen the person for doing that to us.

But then we have to think about wat is right for the club. If owen joins us, we will be guaranteed 20 goals from him (minimum) and with cisse chipping in his share and with moro & crouch in the pipeline too...we would have a great shot at winning the league. And that is important, not our personal feeling.

I know it is from kop talk :shifty

.....but hope its true.

http://www.koptalk.org/forums....1

EXCLUSIVE: Liverpool negotiating Owen deal with Real Madrid
#523357 - 02/08/2005 07:12 Reply

KopTalk can exclusively reveal that Liverpool are negotiating a deal with Real Madrid to try and re-sign striker Michael Owen.

Despite denials from Anfield, Liverpool are keen on re-signing the England hitman, preferably on a year's loan with a view to a permanent deal next year when additional transfer funds are available.

A senior Anfield source told KopTalk.com: "Of course the club want to sign Michael but it's basically just a question of money. Real Madrid are listening which is a start, but although they want to get him off the books (because of his salary) a loan deal isn't an attractive option to them.

"The manager has been backed fully by the board this season and funds are available for further purchases but at least two more players are high on the agenda. If Milan (Baros) is sold and maybe someone else like Jerzy (Dudek), more cash would then be freed up to enable a cash bid to be tabled.

"What's worrying Rafa is that Xabi Alonso's name was brought up during preliminary discussions. Rafa is concerned though that Real's interest in the player could unsettle him which is why talk of dealing with the Spanish giants has to be played down. We also don't want to look too keen in relation to re-signing Owen in the hope that they lower the asking price."

The source added: "The club are in constant dialogue with Owen, his agent and Terry. They have made it perfectly clear that he would reject any other offers if Liverpool can agree a deal with Real.

"Manchester United are desperate to sign Owen and have offered him a lucrative deal but if he re-signed for us, he'd actually be taking a reduction in his wages.

"Things are complicated but there could be a solution."

We'd like to see Owen brought home as would the majority of Liverpool supporters as our poll @ www.koptalknews.com shows. However, Manchester United's interest is very strong. Owen is a close pal of Sir Alex Ferguson's through their interest in horse racing and although signing for the enemy isn't something that the England striker would want to do, if a deal between Liverpool and Real Madrid can't be worked out, speculation of a move to Old Trafford could become a reality.

by **A.B.** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:25 am

Shows how bad Kop Talk are. Manchester United can not or will not sign Michael Owen unless one of their strikers is sold,(Saha). Nobody has shown interest in Saha so the chances of him being sold are slim therefore the chances of United buying Owen aren't that great either.

Everton have been linked with Owen as well but let's be honest, they can't afford him. It may not be the fee that they can't afford, it's his wages. They barely can afford Arteta's 30k wages so are they going to manage Owen's wages? It seems that they can't afford Baros either.

Newcastle have been knocked out of Europe. What are they going to offer Owen? The possibility of winning the FA Cup, a side that didn't even finish in the top ten. It's not going to happen, Newcastle can afford but they can't provide him with top notch football.

That just leaves us and Arsenal. Benitez has said that he wants to buy a CB, but he hasn't ruled out us signing Owen. Wenger has said that Arsenal have made no bids on Owen and that they are looking for other players in other positions.

Chelsea might be interested but they have Drogba,Cole,Guidjohnsen and now Crespo. They no longer have the need to buy a striker at the moment.

It will be interesting what Owen decides, whether it be moving to somebody in the Premiership or staying at Madrid.

by **tel** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:44 am

SouthCoastShankly wrote:Tel i think you exaggerate slighty about Owen having a "shocking first touch" and "the worst dribbler at liverpool..."

The fact of the matter is he never failed to score goals for Liverpool regardless who he was partnered with, who says Crouch or Cisse can't fill the role that Heskey played??

If you don't like him thats fine but to make it seem like he was a bad striker just makes you look like you know f.uck all

Read the post. He is not a bad striker, he ia one dimensional striker. He's not in the league of the Henry's. A top striker in the modern game is not the Ian Rush type goal poacher, but has more dimensions.

Henry scores a lot of goals and creates even more. He also holds the ball, carries between the lines, involved in build up play and absorbs pressure. He is a modern striker.

Owen was a great player for us, but he's no Henry, Ronaldo or Schevchenko. And the modern game needs a modern striker. Owen scores goals, but the biggest criticism of him at Madrid is that he doesnt get involved in build up play and hold the ball to get midfielders involved. He just wants to play off the shoulder of defenders. We did that for years at Anfield under Houllier, and how did we go against top teams? Still makes me sick thinking about how outmatched we were against the Arsenals and mancs even in our home league. And in Europe, we were getting knocked out by :censored:

teams from Switzerland.

In Rafa's eyes, even Crouch is a better option upfront than Owen because he can at least hold the ball and relieve midfield pressure when we're playing away from home.

by **akumaface** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:02 am

But I think if we are going after Owen for 12 million, shouldn't we go after Kuyt instead? Of course Kuyt is no guarantee to perform but Owen is not a sure thing either. Kuyt is simply cheaper and younger.

I personally is still very upset about the way Owen left us for Real but after reading "yckatbjywtbiastkamb"'s post, that made me think abit. If its true, LFC was not a good place to play. I just put myself in the same situation with the company I had worked for, its only natural wanting to quit if the company is managed badly. At that time, there were so many negative thing going on and if this the reason why Owen left, I'm cool with that but he could have handled the situation better though.

by **66-1112520797** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:15 am

tel wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:Tel i think you exaggerate slighty about Owen having a "shocking first touch" and "the worst dribbler at liverpool..."

The fact of the matter is he never failed to score goals for Liverpool regardless who he was partnered with, who says Crouch or Cisse can't fill the role that Heskey played??

If you don't like him thats fine but to make it seem like he was a bad striker just makes you look like you know f.uck all

Read the post. He is not a bad striker, he ia one dimensional striker. He's not in the league of the Henry's. A top striker in the modern game is not the Ian Rush type goal poacher, but has more dimensions.

Henry scores a lot of goals and creates even more. He also holds the ball, carries between the lines, involved in build up play and absorbs pressure. He is a modern striker.

Owen was a great player for us, but he's no Henry, Ronaldo or Schevchenko. And the modern game needs a modern striker. Owen scores goals, but the biggest criticism of him at Madrid is that he doesnt get involved in build up play and hold the ball to get midfielders involved. He just wants to play off the shoulder of defenders. We did that for years at Anfield under Houllier, and how did we go against top teams? Still makes me sick thinking about how outmatched we were against the Arsenals and mancs even in our home league. And in Europe, we were getting knocked out by teams from Switzerland.

In Rafa's eyes, even Crouch is a better option upfront than Owen because he can at least hold the ball and relieve midfield pressure when we're playing away from home.

I dont like the way Owen left and it wouldnt bother me one bit if he didnt come back.

I disagree with your post to a certain extent because i dont doubt his ability.
The one ability you do need as a striker is to put the ball in the back of the net ,if nothing else.

That is Owens best ability sniffing out goals and thats what you want from a striker.

by **laza** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:48 am

I dont like the way he left and it left a bitter taste in my mouth
But his scoring record in premiership plus the fact he is still only 25 i love to see him back here preferably on a loan deal to start with
I be gutted twice over if he ends up in a MANC shirt

by **Homebooby** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:57 am

Following all of the Owen rumours reminds me exactly of the pre-season last year. Everyone was convinced that he wasn't going to go and he himself was even claiming that he wouldn't, then in a day the world changed and he was a red no more. The same thing can and probably will happen here.

As stated through the thread, he isn't comparable to Henry, but he is proven in the Premiership to be able to deliver at least 20 goals. Of all of our strikers, we can't say that about any of them. This in itself will have Rafa thinking I am sure.

The price is the issue and you are only worth what someone will or can pay for you. It's becoming increasingly clear that the price tag is too high in the current market. If he is to go, then the price will have to come down. Which leads the final decision really to Madrid....do they want to fund his wages for another season, not use him very much and see his transfer value depreciate again. their situation is not that different to the one that we were experiencing last year.

If wages truly are the issue, all sorts of deals can be struck. A 50/50 share while on loan for instance. The gamble of the loan option is how Owen will fair this season and in the World Cup. We could see him have a stormer and his price sky rocket. Maybe it's best to act now?

No matter what Owen says about paying his dues at Madrid, his eye is on the world cup. He needs first team football to prepare and next years world cup is realistically his best chance to shine. He'll be edging past his prime by 2010 and you can bet that is on his mind big time.

I'll only stop believing when the deadline passes and he isn't in a pool shirt.

by **maximus** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:22 am

Owen has made a mistake, he knows it and is MAN ENOUGH to admit it!!

Come home Owen, the MAJORITY of us want you back son
:nod

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