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[SouthCoastShankly]

Good point.

I think the post died a death because sometimes you don't want to read an essay

[Homebooby]

Good point.

I think the post died a death because sometimes you don't want to read an essay

I've taking something for the verbal diarrhea, but the post was in between capsules 

[SouthCoastShankly]

Tel i think you exaggerate slighty about Owen having a "shocking first touch" and "the worst dribbler at liverpool..."

The fact of the matter is he never failed to score goals for Liverpool regardless who he was partnered with, who says Crouch or Cisse can't fill the role that Heskey played??

If you don't like him thats fine but to make it seem like he was a bad striker just makes you look like you know f.uck all

[Kopboyau]

Simple answer is get Michael Owen. 20 + goals a season never goes astray. As I have stated in previous posts play Cisse and Owen, Mora and Owen and play Crouch off the bench bring him on with 35 mins to go.

All you Michael Owen knockers out there, take a good hard look at yourselves, maybe watch a few of his games that he played for Real, and then look at him purely as a player. He is what we lacked last season - he's a finisher.

And team him up now with constant supply from 2 of the best midfielders in the world and watch 20+ turn into 30+.

Rafa do not let MO go to Manure for them to destroy his career.

YNWA

[Houllier=LFC]

There was a very large gap between Owen in his last couple of seasons with us and the top strikers of the clubs we were chasing. Made me sick to compare his all round play, form and goal scoring against Nistelrooy and Henry. He was a league away from them.

There are 2 versions why he left. Mine and the truth.

My version is he left because his agent was pumping him up that he was a European star and could only realise his star potential at a club like Madrid.

The other version is that he left because Rafa made it clear he didnt think he was as good a striker he thought he was and that he wouldnt be building a team around him just to score goals, but expected him to be more involved in build up play and team work, not just selfishly playing off the last defender for 90 minutes.

He may be a 20 goal a season striker, but how many goals a year did Heskey score? Heskey was there just to help Owen score goals, which is an entire waste of playing 2 up front if only one of them scores goals.

Can Owen score 20 goals if the 2nd striker plays deep and well behind him? No he cant.

No Heskey, no 20 goal a season Owen.

Can he hold up play and bring others into the game? No he cant. He has a shocking first touch and he is the worst dribbler of a ball I've seen at Anfield. (Maybe Ray Kennedy was worse but not measurably so)

One dimensional strikers dont fit with continental managers style of play.

For your info Owen has been consistently scoring for international matches, which is why hes always our number one english striker even if hes not playing any league matches. And this might be shocking to you, Real Madrid do not have heskey and Owen is still scoring.

[SouthCoastShankly]

JUST IN.....


Owen admits Premiership interest
Michael Owen has confirmed he has had "brief dialogue with three or four Premiership clubs".

The Real Madrid striker has been tipped to return to England after the arrival of Brazilian attacking duo Julio Baptista and Robinho at the Bernabeu.

[2520years]

I'm not having a go at you Shankly, but how can a player have spoken to "three of four clubs".  Is it three or four?  How can he not know?  It sounds to me like he's been told by his agent to inflate his own price by saying he's in demand.

[SouthCoastShankly]

Not my words, just a direct quote from BBC Sport

[banana]

posted this y'day on another thread about owen that died the death, seems relevant again:

I think the real key to all of this is the price tag that is being put on his head. Should that price come down a few million, I am sure that there will be more than a few clubs fighting for him. Despite all the injury issues and poor advice he has received/accepted, I think the majority of people would like to have him on their books. I don't think that he is the be all and end all of strikers, but on his day, he'd do a great job for us.

A week is a long time in football and I think that with Owen (and Gerrard to an extent), we are starting to see a backlash towards the SFX manipulation of the media to the benefit of themselves and the players that they represent. It is actually nice to see the top managers all standing together on this one (perhaps it isn't intentionally and assuming the article is correct about Manure), I can't think of another situation with a top player where this has happened. hopefully it is a sign of the way transfers will work in the future. This summer has definitely slowed down and the amount of money flying out of the door for 1 player has dropped like a stone as well. This can only be a good thing.

I myself don't consider myself an expert and I have no sources at the club whatsoever    , but am wondering if we could get him back for what we received last year, then the situation would be different. Ok, Rafa has said that we aren't looking for any strikers, but sometimes options come up that you don't foresee and you have to go for it. With noone claiming any interest in him, Madrid bringing in these new guys, the cost savings of Owens' wage bill could well be enough motivation for Madrid to drop their price.

Does anyone know if we got a full lump sum for Owen, or are we due to be paid more over time? If so, that even eases the pain of bringing him back. Wage wise he is not in such a position to demand as he once was? The shoe is on our foot now and I would love to see him back in the squad.

I always try to look at things from the human angle too. The lad is still v. young and I think took poor advice. Stevie is the same age and almost made the same mistake. The 2 of them are perfect examples of why you shouldn't get too greedy in life and appreciate what you have. Stevie will die a legend in the footsteps of greats such as Shanks, Paisley and Crazy Horse, Owen on the other hand has lost an awful lot. He has the time to gain it all back of course and I am sure that he has learnt a lot by stepping out into another environment. but he must be kicking himself at the same time.

Well said.
I hoped these roumors should end when Rafa signed Crouch. But some people never stop. I think it is clear that Rafa doesn't rate him. And why should he? His all round play and general contribution to the game is poor. He is 5th or maybe even 6th choice at Real Madrid. We are not Madrid's trashcan. FFS we want to beat them in CL this year.

And why is it so hard to understand that Rafa is looking for a centre half and a right sided midfielder? He has told the press and the fans a thousand times what his priorities are.

[Ola Mr Benitez]

Michael Owen is simply a class finsher who scores bucket loads of goals.

Raffa didn't want to lose him last year, why would he??  He was scoring on a regular basis under Houllier who did not know what the words attack or offensive meant.

Imagine how many more he is going to score if he joins us again, with Rafa's attacking style of play?

We simply cannot afford to let MO go anywhere except back home to Anfield.  The reaction from a lot of people on here does not surprise me as for some reason he was never given the adoration that other players received.  Something I could never understand.

[Ola Mr Benitez]

Michael Owen is simply a class finsher who scores bucket loads of goals.

Raffa didn't want to lose him last year, why would he??  He was scoring on a regular basis under Houllier who did not know what the words attack or offensive meant.

Imagine how many more he is going to score if he joins us again, with Rafa's attacking style of play?

We simply cannot afford to let MO go anywhere except back home to Anfield.  The reaction from a lot of people on here does not surprise me as for some reason he was never given the adoration that other players received.  Something I could never understand.

[SouthCoastShankly]

The only reason michael Owen went down the pecking order at Madrid was because their manager has issues. Madrid bum anyone Brazillian or South American. Maybe Owen didn't suit the style of play they wanted for the club, but he still managed 16 goals.

[A.B.]

Here's news on Owen:

REDS IN FOR OWEN
Internet Report 03 August 2005
Behind the scenes Liverpool are looking at the possibility of bringing Michael Owen back to Anfield, whether on loan or on a permanent deal report Anfield Road.com
Manager Rafael Benitez will not deny the interest in the player until the situation is resolved one way or the other. With Real Madrid just back in training today after their world tour, the two clubs will be able to resume talks over both Owen and Luis Figo.

Before the second leg against FBK Kaunas Benitez was asked by ITV2 if he was looking just for a centre-back and a right-sided midfielder, not a centre-forward such as Michael Owen. His answer: "At this moment we have a lot of strikers". The interviewer continued, "So Michael Owen is not an option?" to which Rafa replied, smiling, "we are looking for a centre-back and a right-winger."

Michael Owen has admitted talking with three or four Premiership clubs amid reports he wants to return to England.
The 25-year-old striker's position at Real Madrid has been put in doubt since the arrivals of Brazilian duo Julio Baptista and Robinho at the Bernabeu.

Newcastle have confirmed their interest in Owen while Manchester United have been linked with the England forward.

Owen said: "With Real's knowledge there's been brief dialogue although no formal negotiations have taken place."

He added: "During my four days off, there have been two big signings confirmed by the club and I can understand why this has resulted in speculation about my future.

"Real Madrid contacted my advisers over the weekend and explained that they wanted me to stay but that they would not stand in my way if the right opportunity arose for me to return to the Premiership."

The arrivals of Robinho and Baptista to supplement the incumbent attacking options of Raul and Ronaldo mean Owen could begin the season fifth in the pecking order for a starting place up front.

Newcastle manager Graeme Souness is desperately in need of a new striker and would relish the chance of bringing Owen to Tyneside.

However, it has been widely reported that Owen would not leave Real for a club that had not qualified for the Champions League.

With Arsenal, Chelsea and his former club Liverpool ruling themselves out of the running, that appeared to leave Manchester United in pole position for the 11 million-rated goal poacher.

Despite fervoured speculation, Owen is in no rush to leave Real after just one season in the Spanish capital following his 8 million move from Anfield last summer.

"I am off to Austria with the rest of the squad to undertake an important 14-day pre-season fitness programme and I do not envisage anything happening during this time," he added.

"When I joined Real Madrid, I was considered by most people to be fourth-choice striker and yet I still managed to start 26 games and score 16 goals.

"I am confident that the Real Madrid president, Senor (Florentino) Perez, will have my best interests at heart whatever happens.

"In the meantime, I am preparing myself physically and mentally for the coming season and hopefully the World Cup which follows it."

[jonnymac1979]

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By philchampionsl2005

As reports this time last year shown Liverpool had first option on Michael Owen if he became available, but who put this first option on because it dosn't seemed to be Rafa. As he said this week he is not looking for a striker and as rumours say he is not happy with the way michael left. So if Rafa didn't was it Rick Parry and David Moores who has this written in the contract as they feel that the anfield legend would return but maybe not so soon. The feeling i got around the club and ground yestaday was that the fans want michael bk but rafa dosn't but are we waiting for the chairman & chief executive to but in and make this deal happen who knows but it seems strange to me putting a first option on a player then not acting upon it.

[Galactico]

Mixed opinions here fellas, i agree owen is a guarnteed 20 goals a season! However i also feel cisse can do this and from my point of view i doubt cisse and owen shall partner one another regularly.

I also feel with the immenent sale of Baros, yes we can then get owen for peanuts or a 7 million extra budget for a better CB and RM Now what are the priorities? a sixth striker or the alternative?