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by **azriahmad** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:04 am

Owzat, we don't need to plunder the French league to get ripped off...we have a Frenchman (who is so tactically inept that even Ian St'. John complained that the Kop has been turned into zombies) who keeps helping the French league and other clubs to rip Liverpool off based on dodgy reputation and "promise" which only he can understand!

by **JBG** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:51 pm

I simply cannot see Djbril Cisse coming here and scoring 20 league goals.

We'll hear the usual excuses of him needing "more time" and hearing about "potential" when all the time the opposition are disappearing over the blue horizon.

by **greenred** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:59 pm

I know Im biased but if michael goes to Madrid then we should offer 8 million for Robbie Keane.That bloke would be a revelation in a red shirt.Another 10million for Anelka and we could forget all about Cisse.

by **stmichael** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 3:00 pm

this word "potential" really does my head in. if anyone doesn't have a clue about buying potential class players it's gerard houllier. wenger is the master at spotting potential. the english game is like no other in europe in terms of pace and intensity. if this cisse is so great why has he not already been snapped up by a spanish or italian club. we obviously see him banging in goals for fun in the mickey mouse french league and think he's the next big thing (diouf anyone?). i want robbie keane desperately at anfield. he's class.

by **hotee_f** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 4:41 pm

Hi to all reds fans just as me,

First of all, i want to ask you a big favour. Dont criticize Owen.

Why?

The lad has done much much for our club. He won us the FA cup in style and who is the premiership player who has ever won the golden ball by french soccer magazine. Michael Owen is a tremendous player, this season he has not played to his standards, i recognise it but a good manager makes a good team and makes good players.

Henry at arsenal gets all the attack support from the midfield just as Nistelrooy at Man Utd. Put Henry or nistelrooy in the liverpool team we have, i bet they would be able to score hardly 10 to 15 goals only a season. Liverpool is not an attacking side with free flowing football. Rather most players are poor technically except Gerrard, Owen, Baros, Le Tallec, Sinama-Pongolle, Kewell, and Riise a bit.

What we need is a new breath in our beloved team. A new manager who is good in tactics, in buying good players carefully, a strong character and a willing passion for the team. I think O'Neill is the one we must bring here to Anfield. But the board and the chairman have other ideas, so i bet 100 % that houllier will remain at LFC next season.
This is sad because it pains in our heart when we see our team nowadays going downfall. I love this club enormously but its too sad.

Dibril Ciise for me is a very good player. Firstly, cisse must not be compared to any other player. He has his own characteristics and his own style to play football in the attacking sense. I have watched him a few times. He can be around 7.5 to 8 out of 10 compared to the Heskey's 1 out 0f 10 rating. He is very strong and very quick. So u see the diiference he will bring to anfield. And Baros of course as a cover and someone who will fight for places upfront.
What we need really next season is a new manager. Then we must sell those players in the pre-season: Traore, Diao, Diouf, Smicer, Heskey, Cheyrou and Biscan.

Bring at least one player in the centre of the defence. I think a player like Fabio Canavarro can be made available as Inter is in deep crisis. We can snatch him from Inter, i am saying. Then, bring Steed Malbranque for right midfield position. This is a french player who im sure will play really well. A player must be bought to replace Hamann in the centre of midfield. We already have Gerrard, the best midfielder in the premiership, in europe maybe i think personally. Someone like Michael Carrick can be brought here to anfield to protect our defense in the midfield itself. Then of course, anfield has a superb talent in John Welsh. He is good player, trust me. Very good i can say, one of the brightest talents. Finally bring in Cisse to replace the void (if any) left by Heskey if he is sold.

This will cost around Rs 30 to 40 million, but i know it will never be the case as we are not that rich.

So reds fans, expect another season in mediocrity with GH again at the helm. I even think we will be in a big crisis next season. I am 100% sure of it if GH remains.

Lastly, note this well. Since David Moores has become chairman in 1992, LFC has gone down the pit as a club. We have turned from the best club in UK to an above-average club. Theres no hope, i should say. I bet that in 2-3-4-5 years we will still be lamenting ourselves here on the net.
But anyway, we love this club too much and we will always support it however we can.

Love you all reds fans around the world,

Someone from mauritius

by **Scottbot** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:12 pm

It seems the majority of us are jumpy at signing Cisse for such a large sum as we know that 13million is pretty much all there will be in the kitty for players in the summer. Particularly as he plays in France, no-one has seen enough of him in action and none of us trust Houlliers judgement of a player anymore. We will be lucky to get 2-3 million collectively for the dead wood that is Biscan, Traore, Diao, Smicer et al. So how we are gonna go out and buy the likes of Malbranque and another Centre-Half i'm not sure.

I would also like to see a player like Robbie Keane in a Liverpool shirt. I also believe that Baros will be a difficult man to leave on the bench as he looks like he may be ready to realise his enormous potential - I may have a couple a quid on him for the golden boot at EURO 2004 if the odds are good.

by **Owzat** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:38 pm

If it's a choice between sissy for £13m or two or three "lesser" players (Malbranque etc) then I'd go for them. Diouf £10m and Heskey £11m - ring any (alarm) bells. We could end up with another expensive player we have little chance of getting much back on

by **Fakoe** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:16 pm

azriahmad wrote:I tend to agree with most skeptics as the French league is a bit of a mickey mouse league compared to the Premiership or Spain or even Italy. No disrespect to France, but it does not take a very special player to be a top scorer there because there as even the best French players ply their trade outside France and the French league has been a good breeding ground for foreign players who largely coma from former French colonies like the African continent.
The French league would help develop more tactical awareness for these players but they would still lack that extra 5% or so high-end skills of the top players in other top leagues and also the French based players would be relatively ill-equipped to thrive in the hustle and bustle of the English game. An exception is Pires who came directly from France but he has sublime skills and he has the benefit of having compatriots at Arsenal who are not only world class, but also helped him to settle down at Arsenal.
Perhaps this is why Liverpool's French based imports have largely failed...

azriahmad , I feel you are very unfair with your comment on African players. How soon you forget Jay-Jay Okocha(Bolton Wanderers), Benni Macarthy(FC Porto), Quinton Fortune(Man Utd),Steven Pienaar(Ajax Amsterdam),Desire Job(Middlesborough) to name a few. Just because you disagree with Houllier's aquisitions thus not warrant you to judge the whole African continent. I for one am South-African, and proud of it. The English game survives on foreign players otherwise revenues will never have been so good, whether it is merchandise, membership fees(which I pay on an annual basis),gate fees etc. Do a bit of research and you will find that because of African players (good or bad) Liverpool has a higher support base in Africa than Man Utd & Arsenal combined.Be carefull with your choice of words. I do not support any of my local teams instead I have pledged all my breathe with the club I love, which makes it sad is that I have to share this great club of mine with people who cannot think further than their own backyard.

by **JBG** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:15 pm

Some people here have said Cisse is a "class act".

However, I challenge anyone here (other than those who are actually French and regularly watch Auxerre play) to prove that they know what they are talking about when they say that Cisse is a class act. You can only judge so much from tv, and even then we only see Cisse play occasionally on Eurosport. Its not as if he's a major competitor in the Champions League such as Zidanne, Figo, Totti or Nedved.

by **JohnBull** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:47 pm

I'm lucky in that I've a motorised sat system which gives me access to football from all over the world. I make a point of watching players we are interested in for whole matches and it is a lot different from the highlights. Cisse recently scored in the last minute against Strasbourg for a 2-0 win. Other than the goal he looked like a lazy grandstander. If you were tojust look at the highlights then no doubt you could make him out to be great. The French league is "Nationwide".
As far as African players are concerned anyone who watched the African Cup will know that they are miles behind the rest of the world. For 90% of the continent team games come second to individual performances and this shows in their play. The half decent ones in the premiership are here as mercenaries and will walk away as soon as it suits (see the Jay Jay interview after the Carling Cup final). Give me a player who plays for his heart above the fat wallet crew anyday.

by **jonnymac1979** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:39 pm

Who won the African Nations?

I'm not kidding, I could look it up on Google but i'm making a point here.....

by **seananddarragh23** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:58 pm

Algeria,the host nation,but as our South African brother said,
lets make our point without putting other fans down.
Iwork with two united fans so I know how it feels.
LIVERPOOL forever with all of us together.

by **JohnBull** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:15 pm

Oh. by they way . Lille won 1-0

by **LFC #1** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:49 am

seananddarragh23 wrote:Algeria,the host nation,but as our South African brother said,
lets make our point without putting other fans down.
Iwork with two united fans so I know how it feels.
LIVERPOOL forever with all of us together.

Tunisia were the host nation and won the african cup not Algeria.

by **Fakoe** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:16 am

JohnBull wrote:I'm lucky in that I've a motorised sat system which gives me access to football from all over the world. I make a point of watching players we are interested in for whole matches and it is a lot different from the highlights. Cisse recently scored in the last minute against Strasbourg for a 2-0 win. Other than the goal he looked like a lazy grandstander. If you were tojust look at the highlights then no doubt you could make him out to be great. The French league is "Nationwide".
As far as African players are concerned anyone who watched the African Cup will know that they are miles behind the rest of the world. For 90% of the continent team games come second to individual performances and this shows in their play. The half decent ones in the premiership are here as mercenaries and will walk away as soon as it suits (see the Jay Jay interview after the Carling Cup final). Give me a player who plays for his heart above the fat wallet crew anyday.

JOHNBULL, I have news for you, as much as I love Liverpool I have to mention that when Liverpool and Spurs toured South-Africa in the 90's they were thrashed by the local teams. All footballing nations have their stars France have Henry,Pires and Zidane,England have Beckham,Owen and Gerrard,Brazil have Ronaldo and Ronaldinho, so does Spain have Raul. Africa has Benni Maccarthy,Quinton Fortune,Jay-Jay Okocha,Patrick Viera (voted best in the world)etc. Every other nations' players going to the Premiership is in it for the money which is not that great either but because the pound is the second strongest currency in the world it makes sense to go to England. Man Utd had Luke Chadwick(cr#p) now they have Fortune (by miles superior)Lucas Radebe from Leeds, Most players in the Premiership are their because it is lucrative(even Tim Howard) Jerzy Dudek (much better than Kirkland) but of course because he is not English he will never be good enough for all you mediocre supporters,Fredi Kanoute(whom most English supporters wanted at Liverpool).Liverpool has always thrived on foreign players (Ian Rush) for one, you might argue that he is from the UK, but he is not English.Dietmar Hamman from Germany, Milan Baros, El Hadji Diouf,etc.Even on the coaching staff, mention one English manager with more success than Gerrard Houllier, of course you can't, but because Houllier is French the English supporters(not all of you) will say he is cr#p.

Djibrill Cisse will make a difference at Liverpool.

WITHOUT FOREIGN PLAYERS THE PREMIERSHIP IS DULL. Arsenal are on their way to Glory in the FA cup, Champs League and of course the League Title and the whole team is made up of only 2 Englishmen, which says a lot.The rest is French (previously African colony players), African & Dutch.

The African Cup of Nations is our European Championship.If you take Senegal and Nigeria as well as Cameroon, they all faired better than England in the world cup. They had tough opponents. The only real opponents England played was Brazil.

So JOHNBULL, before you make assumptions, accusations and let your mouth of because you can, please check your facts before wasting everone else's time.

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