Makelele - If gerrard goes

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Postby Santa » Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:01 am

Try telling the French national team he is overrated as well. Since he's come into the national team, they've gone from winning World Cups and Euro to losing every game.

French team is almost unrecoginisable from the World Cup winning team. Gone are Petit, Deschamps, Blanc, Desailly, Dugarry etc. Besides, players like Zidane, Barthez, Djorkaeff and Lizarazu were at their absolute prime. The new team do not have the preparation nor motivation (of playing in a home tournament) as the 98 team. It's been 7 years since and if you are comparing then and now, you have sadly missed the point. No way can one man replace the lost of so many established members in a winning team. Henry is also struggling in the new French team. Does that mean he is over-rated as well? Try Real Madrid 2 seasons ago vs. last season's team. Most of the players are still intact but without the steel of a player like Markelele, their defensive weakness is suddently exposed for all to see. They have since tried to sign a similar player like Graversen to plug the hole but it remains to be seen if he is as effective as Markelele. When he decided to leave Real, there were no shortage of high profile teams willing to take him but at the end the Mafia's money rules.

I wish when I played football I had the luxury of running 50% less than the rest of the midfield players, sitting on the half way line when we have the ball, and never passing the ball more than 5 metres.

It's no surprise that Claude Markelele's name is in the Chelsea's team sheet week after week. I don't claim to have better footballing knowledge that anyone but I am sure in a packed midfield full of household names, Maureen con't to select and value of Merkelele should tell you something.
At least Viera and Keane get forward and help when their sides are attacking.

different player brings different skills to the table. I happen to value Hamann's presence in our team in difficult games. Obviously, you might feel otherwise.

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Postby BOODIDDY » Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:16 am

If he goes and i don't know think he will, then i want Ballack, robinho, Gallas, Sissoko from Valencia. Remember we'll get 40m plus cl money from this season.

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Postby tel » Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:16 am

I think all your points are good ones.

But you can compare the RM team of now and the one when Makele was there, to the French national team of now and the one that won Euro. Both lack hunger equally.

I also feel that if you put a guy like Makele in a team other than Chelsea or RM, he'd be shown up for what he is. A luxury.
You always look great when playing alongside someone like Zidane or even Lampard this year. But when those kind of players are not scoring goals or attacking, a guy like Makele wont be the one to step up and carry any additional load.

I'd take Alonso 100 times out of 100 than a lazy French man who knows how to defend and little else.
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Postby JC_81 » Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:46 pm

tel wrote:I'd take Alonso 100 times out of 100 than a lazy French man who knows how to defend and little else.

I agree that Alonso is a more skilful player than makelele and with more experience will be one of the top players in the world.  I'm sure of that

However your remarks about makelele are nothing short of ridiculous.  You call the guy who did all the midfield donkey work at Real for figo, zidane etc lazy??  Come on.  His positional play and reading of the game defensively is as much to be admired as the passing ability of someone like alonso.  He sticks to his task superbly and in my opinion is the best holding midfielder in the world.

You say that heving lampard etc in the team with him makes makelele look good.  In fact the opposite is true.  Having makelele in midfield has made the likes of lampard and zidane look better because he does their defensive job for them and allows them to express themselves more.
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Postby yckatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:16 pm

john craig wrote:
tel wrote:I'd take Alonso 100 times out of 100 than a lazy French man who knows how to defend and little else.

I agree that Alonso is a more skilful player than makelele and with more experience will be one of the top players in the world.  I'm sure of that

However your remarks about makelele are nothing short of ridiculous.  You call the guy who did all the midfield donkey work at Real for figo, zidane etc lazy??  Come on.  His positional play and reading of the game defensively is as much to be admired as the passing ability of someone like alonso.  He sticks to his task superbly and in my opinion is the best holding midfielder in the world.

You say that heving lampard etc in the team with him makes makelele look good.  In fact the opposite is true.  Having makelele in midfield has made the likes of lampard and zidane look better because he does their defensive job for them and allows them to express themselves more.

if we replaced gerrard with makalele i would be gutted.
we need offensive midfielders not defensive, our problems stem from not giving our forwards enough chances. the likes of makalele and hamaan are good in sides full of players who`s first instinct is to bomb on, or in crucial games where you have to keep an eye on a particular opponent.
but in liverpool where our wide players tend to be converted fullbacks at the moment losing gerrard and bringing in a defensive midfielder would be like stepping back in time to a houllier style philosophy.
just because a certain player is good for one side doesnt mean his style would compliment your own.
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Postby coolsobs » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:02 pm

chelsea would never ever let there best and more or less only defensive midfielder and probably one of the best defensive midfielders in england and possibly the world so theres no point in debating about it cos he just aint gonna leave.
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Postby JC_81 » Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:39 pm

yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
john craig wrote:
tel wrote:I'd take Alonso 100 times out of 100 than a lazy French man who knows how to defend and little else.

I agree that Alonso is a more skilful player than makelele and with more experience will be one of the top players in the world.  I'm sure of that

However your remarks about makelele are nothing short of ridiculous.  You call the guy who did all the midfield donkey work at Real for figo, zidane etc lazy??  Come on.  His positional play and reading of the game defensively is as much to be admired as the passing ability of someone like alonso.  He sticks to his task superbly and in my opinion is the best holding midfielder in the world.

You say that heving lampard etc in the team with him makes makelele look good.  In fact the opposite is true.  Having makelele in midfield has made the likes of lampard and zidane look better because he does their defensive job for them and allows them to express themselves more.

if we replaced gerrard with makalele i would be gutted.
we need offensive midfielders not defensive, our problems stem from not giving our forwards enough chances. the likes of makalele and hamaan are good in sides full of players who`s first instinct is to bomb on, or in crucial games where you have to keep an eye on a particular opponent.
but in liverpool where our wide players tend to be converted fullbacks at the moment losing gerrard and bringing in a defensive midfielder would be like stepping back in time to a houllier style philosophy.
just because a certain player is good for one side doesnt mean his style would compliment your own.

Mate, at no point did I say that we should replace gerrard with makelele, you miss the point totally.

Do you think I don't know that makelele is defensive and gerrard is mainly offensive? They are obviously completely different types of player

Read the post properly next time
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