The Ace1983 wrote:I suppose that at the end of the day, it depends on what your personal view of religion is. To some religion is merely a different way to say belief. To others it is a strict code of conduct and a way of life. If you see your religion as something that controls your life, you can appreciate why some seriously "hardcore" fans do see their club as a church. What I am saying, is that it is all down to perseption. I don't think that anyone can be wrong or right as far as this discussion is concerned.
The Canadian Red Army wrote:The Ace1983 wrote:I suppose that at the end of the day, it depends on what your personal view of religion is. To some religion is merely a different way to say belief. To others it is a strict code of conduct and a way of life. If you see your religion as something that controls your life, you can appreciate why some seriously "hardcore" fans do see their club as a church. What I am saying, is that it is all down to perseption. I don't think that anyone can be wrong or right as far as this discussion is concerned.
in your sig it says "death or glory", couldnt you say that is being faithful to your club and would be considered a religious belief in what being a Red fan is.
The Ace1983 wrote:The Canadian Red Army wrote:The Ace1983 wrote:I suppose that at the end of the day, it depends on what your personal view of religion is. To some religion is merely a different way to say belief. To others it is a strict code of conduct and a way of life. If you see your religion as something that controls your life, you can appreciate why some seriously "hardcore" fans do see their club as a church. What I am saying, is that it is all down to perseption. I don't think that anyone can be wrong or right as far as this discussion is concerned.
in your sig it says "death or glory", couldnt you say that is being faithful to your club and would be considered a religious belief in what being a Red fan is.
Yes it would. But that is personal opinion and applys to life and not just Liverpool. But I agree with you in that football can be related and compared to some religions and their practices. But I personally believe that football support is more like a primitive, "tribal" religion than a modern organised one. I think more of the chanting, warring factions, comradeship, and the anthro-morphology that takes place.
zarababe wrote:.. as many have said, in what has been an excellent debate so-far, Football can be likened to a religion... but, that feeling of joy and adreline is not something that religion will necessairy give us.. our life experiences, loved ones and relationships provide that rush of joy .. and football clearly is one of those "life experiences" that has an impact on how we feel... faith contextualizes our experiences, our understanding of such experiences and indeed sets boundaried for us within which we should operate... accompained by laws that govern life.. the Torah, Bible Quran, the Vidas.. etc.. the only books to accompany the "religion" of football.. are the likes of David Beckhams.. life story
Granted.. some will say "I live, eat and think football" .. but in my opinion such things are obsessions.. like stalking someone..
So hey perhaps .. we are all to some extent stalkers...
I agree with Ace, in as much as tribal tendancies remain inate within man, and therefore all sports bind "us" together in such a way..
..Religions binds us together in much the same way.. but the "goal" is to attain salvation in the end.. and I rather think the Almighty will not Judge us on what team we cheered for or shed tears over ... rather the deeds and actions we indulged in while living our lives and supporting our great club...
zarababe wrote:.. that's nice CRA.. football is a passion
The Canadian Red Army wrote:religion is a passion
football is a passion
football = religion
The Ace1983 wrote:The Canadian Red Army wrote:religion is a passion
football is a passion
football = religion
Intersting but slightly flawed. For instance, some people have a passion for stamp collecting or trainspotting, and by the rationel of this formula, thse hobbies could be found to be synonymous with religion, which would mean that they were also interchangable with football, and I don't think I've seen many football fans noting down every number they see and carrying a weak lemon drink.
Looking at the formula now, it actually supports the theory of obsession, rather than religion. However I think that I can help to revise the idea to provide a better arguement for this case
1. Religion contains the elements of passion, community, leaders, and an afterlife.
2. Football contains, passion, community and leaders.
=. Football contains a number of elements that are also found in Religion.
It is not full proof, but it offers, what I think to be, the closest, fairest argument.
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