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by **andy_g** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:11 pm

lakes10 wrote:
andy_g wrote:
lakes10 wrote:i still stand by what i said when we took on Rafa...he is the wrong bloke for the job and always has been.
he need to lear how we play footbal over here and learn fast .
i dont think he will be staying long with us anyway , as soon as he gets a better job offer in spain he will be off

give us your reasons then...

he never took a real intrest in english football till he took the job.
the job he would love is the Real Madrid his whole life has been based around them.
he thinks he knows best and dont take any notice of anyone telling him he's got it wrong , he could have stopped Owen from leaving liverpool but said that Owen would never go but he got that wrong.
when asked about the history of liverpool fc he could hardly name any great player of the 80's (this was in 2003)

and you don't think that - apart from today - we've been playing some of the most flowing attacking football for ages?

agreed we are patchy, but i think things are better under benitez. i strongly disagree with his team selection today though.

by **bigmick** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:11 pm

Ah well Lakesy, its all about opinions and you're as entitled to yours as anybody else I suppose.Sorry about the earlier sarcasm, no need for it.

by **Ciggy** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:12 pm

I cant think of a better manager for the LFC job your talkin sh.it why would he leave Valencia and come to us they where a winning side winning the league 2 seasons above Real and Barca ok they have better players now but what an achievement from the manager to get.
Its not the manager its them money grabbing ****** on the pitch who dont give 2 shits whos to blame dont blame rafa m8 :angry:

by **lakes10** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:12 pm

whats wrong with this forum , can you not say anything bad about the manager without been told that you are saying only because we just had a bad game ......no i dont like him never have sorry but that is how i feel
i might be wrong about him and we might go on to win loads of stuff with him and in that case i would stand up and say that i was wrong

by **lakes10** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:13 pm

bigmick wrote:Ah well Lakesy, its all about opinions and you're as entitled to yours as anybody else I suppose.Sorry about the earlier sarcasm, no need for it.

thats ok mate

by **andy_g** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:16 pm

nothing wrong with your opinions, lakesy. i'm just interested in why you feel like that.

i can understand initial suspicion of benitez - but we are surely a better team this season. or at least going through a phase of improvement.

obviously this doesn't account for todays rubbish

by **Ciggy** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:16 pm

Sorry people but im really wound up sorry for the language cant help it I love my team so much and just want them to do well

by **JBG** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:17 pm

lakes10 wrote:
andy_g wrote:
lakes10 wrote:i still stand by what i said when we took on Rafa...he is the wrong bloke for the job and always has been.
he need to lear how we play footbal over here and learn fast .
i dont think he will be staying long with us anyway , as soon as he gets a better job offer in spain he will be off

give us your reasons then...

he never took a real intrest in english football till he took the job.
the job he would love is the Real Madrid his whole life has been based around them.
he thinks he knows best and dont take any notice of anyone telling him he's got it wrong , he could have stopped Owen from leaving liverpool but said that Owen would never go but he got that wrong.
when asked about the history of liverpool fc he could hardly name any great player of the 80's (this was in 2003)

I think you are wrong there.

Benitez took some time off from management in the late 1990s and toured England watching many games and was invited by many clubs (including Man UTD) to observe their training sessions.

Rick Parry stated that when in negotiations to sign Benitez the Spaniard was able to name all of the youth team players and asked whether Warnock and Partridge were to be given new contracts.

Today is a black mark for Benitez as his tactics back fired. Much of the blame for the defeat must obviously rest with him as he is the manager, but the majority of the blame must lie with the players, many of whom obviously didn't take the game seriously and their minds must have been on the fancy trip to the south of France next week.

I won't pass judgement on Benitez as he has some major problems to deal with, but Harry Kewell is an absolute disgrace to the red shirt.

The club is bending over backwards in paying him huge wages and looking after him, and the minimum the club is entitled to in return is a bit of effort.

by **Santa** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:19 pm

lakes10 wrote:
andy_g wrote:
lakes10 wrote:i still stand by what i said when we took on Rafa...he is the wrong bloke for the job and always has been.
he need to lear how we play footbal over here and learn fast .
i dont think he will be staying long with us anyway , as soon as he gets a better job offer in spain he will be off

give us your reasons then...

he never took a real intrest in english football till he took the job.
the job he would love is the Real Madrid his whole life has been based around them.
he thinks he knows best and dont take any notice of anyone telling him he's got it wrong , he could have stopped Owen from leaving liverpool but said that Owen would never go but he got that wrong.
when asked about the history of liverpool fc he could hardly name any great player of the 80's (this was in 2003)

so you would rather a guy who teaches English in Liverpool to remain at his job?
Yes, Rafa have made it clear Real is his ultimate dream job but to say he will leave us as soon as another job offer comes in is rediculous.
Owen have made up his mind to leave long before Rafa was mentioned as a possible candidate...and how do you know if he could have stopped Owen from leaving? Do you know Owen or his agent personally?
For pete's sake, he is only months into this job and have to clean up truck load of mess left by the previous regimes. Fine if you don't think he is the guy you would have wanted but to question his integrity and ability?
If only the board is able to support him with the finances like they did Houllier, you will sing a different tune soon.
In the meantime, maybe you ought to wear a blue shirt for now, they seems to have a good managers (Moyes & Maurinho)

by **gazkell** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:20 pm

my own view is that talking about a game just as it finishes will bring out the emotions in people. i just think that slagging of the manager so early into his time here is unhelpful. he knows what he is doing. the guy needs time. one or two good results will make everyone feel different.

by **Santa** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:22 pm

...but Harry Kewell is an absolute disgrace to the red shirt

there will be no argument about that...

by **lakes10** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:23 pm

JB you are right about what he did in the late 90's but it was not much time at all
League and Cup Champion with Real Madrid CF Under-19, season 1992/93.
Promotion to 1st Division with Extremadura CF, season 1997/98.
Promotion to 1st Division with CD Tenerife, season 2000/01
as you can see he was very busy in the late 90's
but he did come over but did not get to go to many places, he used the time over here looking at what good foreign players where in the english game

by **lakes10** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:25 pm

In the meantime, maybe you ought to wear a blue shirt for now
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wow thats low
as i said i might be wrong but only time will tell

by **JBG** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:25 pm

lakes10 wrote:whats wrong with this forum , can you not say anything bad about the manager without been told that you are saying only because we just had a bad game ......no i dont like him never have sorry but that is how i feel
i might be wrong about him and we might go on to win loads of stuff with him and in that case i would stand up and say that i was wrong

From what I can see on this forum there are two main groups of fans.

The first group are those who go ape every time we lose, saying we have rubbish players and a rubbish manager. Often these people (although not all of them) are the same people who go over the top with their praise after we win a game. I disagree with these fans views.

The other group are those who see any criticism, even constructive criticism, as being disloyal to the club. These fans seem to be on a crusade to prove that they are the "real" fans and better than all the others as they don't criticise the team at all. Again I disgaree with these people, as I think their views can be elitist and sometimes as irrational as those "ficklebugger" fans who swing from heaping praise on the club one week and then slating it the next.

I tend to try to take a realistic view, recognisning that the club has problems which need to be sorted out. I think that the appointment of Benitez was probably the correct decision. However, I don't think being angry after today's game is being disloyal, as the performance was a disgrace and the attitude of certain players was anethma to the spirit and values of our great club.

by **lakes10** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:25 pm

Santa wrote:
...but Harry Kewell is an absolute disgrace to the red shirt

there will be no argument about that...

true

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