Liverpool FC Forum

eds » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:32 am wrote:

maguskwt » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:50 pm wrote:Isn't it weird that alot of posters on here were slating the owners until recently. But now, after Klopp has been making the team win and some good vibes are back, we just want to stay the way we are now? I remember some (I don't remember who) even openly saying they wanted or didn't mind ultra rich owners (arrab or not), for once owners who would put in their own money and not take out loans made out to the club. Something along those lines...

Will the real slim shady please stand up... please stand up... please stand up... 

People have very short memories indeed. FSG have staggered from one mistake to another in their time here.

From hiring the snake oil peddler (in a process involving interviewing only him and Martinez  ) to the transfer committee disaster, to selling our best players and allowing the powers that be replace them with utter dross to waiting far too long to sack Dodgers............its been one disaster to another with them.

In all that time the only successful thing they have been able to do is somehow convince Klopp to manage us.

Jurgen is no fool though, if these meddling yanks start to dictate "special terms and conditions" on who he wants to bring in, he will find another club and he won't be short of suitors.

Until they are seen backing him, I'm still far from convinced.

What an inane argument. Are you honesty convinced that FSG were the only ones that could have saved us from the "brink".

They bought one of the biggest sporting institutions on the planet for a pittance in 2010, in order to make money out of us. Which they eventually will (in bucket loads) when they sell up.

I'm sorry I don't subscribe to them riding in on white horses and shiny armour to save the day, as per the constant myth that keeps getting peddled on this forum.

They are business people, who are out to make money, so please stop regurgitating the same drivel we have been hearing for the last 6 years to paper over their long list of failures.....

eds » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:18 am wrote:

devaney » Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:44 pm wrote:Eds - Utter dross - Please list the players

Best players sold - Please list the players and please don't include Sterling (not worthy to wear the LFC shirt) Torres (way past his best and has never done anything at the clubs he went to after LIVERPOOL) Suarez (we
had no choice - only you fail to recognise that)
All of those players were sold for decent money. Anybody with a modicum of business acumen would appreciate that.

What ever makes you sleep at night Dev.

Under FSG we have won 1 league cup in six years 
Under FSG we have seen our best players in Suarez and Sterling leave, one of our greatest ever players in Gerrard retire (without a PL medal) while we have spent astronomical money on misfits like Carroll, Downing, Borini, Allen, Markovic, Balotelli, Luis Alberto, Iago Aspas, Benteke. A staggering $165m on those players alone!
When you add Henderson and Lallana to that lot (who the jury is still out on) that takes it to over $200m!!!!! Shameful, fkn shamful. What were you saying about business acumen? 

65m for Suarez wasn't "decent money" in my opinion. The 3rd best player on the planet should have gone for much, much more irrespective of what was going on that time.
FSG have a lot to answer for and I couldn't care less if I continually have to point all this out.

I'm just praying they do a U-turn on their idiotic under 25 years old player transfer strategy obsession and let Klopp have the first, second and final word on ALL players coming in from this summer onwards.

eds » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:29 am wrote:
What an inane argument. Are you honesty convinced that FSG were the only ones that could have saved us from the "brink".

They bought one of the biggest sporting institutions on the planet for a pittance in 2010, in order to make money out of us. Which they eventually will (in bucket loads) when they sell up.

I'm sorry I don't subscribe to them riding in on white horses and shiny armour to save the day, as per the constant myth that keeps getting peddled on this forum.

They are business people, who are out to make money, so please stop regurgitating the same drivel we have been hearing for the last 6 years to paper over their long list of failures.....

metalhead » Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:18 am wrote:- record profit last year
- valued at 8th richest club in the world
- Signed one of the best managers, Klopp
- no more financial risk
- expanding Anfield and keeping their promise about it
- mistakes were made, but they rectified them quickly by listening to the FANS. now imagine if it were different owners.


and you call me deluded?

 

metalhead » Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:30 am wrote:

eds » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:18 am wrote:

devaney » Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:44 pm wrote:Eds - Utter dross - Please list the players

Best players sold - Please list the players and please don't include Sterling (not worthy to wear the LFC shirt) Torres (way past his best and has never done anything at the clubs he went to after LIVERPOOL) Suarez (we
had no choice - only you fail to recognise that)
All of those players were sold for decent money. Anybody with a modicum of business acumen would appreciate that.

What ever makes you sleep at night Dev.

Under FSG we have won 1 league cup in six years 
Under FSG we have seen our best players in Suarez and Sterling leave, one of our greatest ever players in Gerrard retire (without a PL medal) while we have spent astronomical money on misfits like Carroll, Downing, Borini, Allen, Markovic, Balotelli, Luis Alberto, Iago Aspas, Benteke. A staggering $165m on those players alone!
When you add Henderson and Lallana to that lot (who the jury is still out on) that takes it to over $200m!!!!! Shameful, fkn shamful. What were you saying about business acumen? 

65m for Suarez wasn't "decent money" in my opinion. The 3rd best player on the planet should have gone for much, much more irrespective of what was going on that time.
FSG have a lot to answer for and I couldn't care less if I continually have to point all this out.

I'm just praying they do a U-turn on their idiotic under 25 years old player transfer strategy obsession and let Klopp have the first, second and final word on ALL players coming in from this summer onwards.

Mate,

nothing is a short term fix, everything is long term, things can change in decades after trial and error, this is the nature of change.

They are far from perfect but at least they are doing some things right, especially off the field.

I recall that some (not sure if it is you) that FSG would never go for Klopp, they want a ''yes'' man, well humble pie much?

Reg » Tue May 03, 2016 12:36 pm wrote:For those who can't understand the owners commitment to the club, look how the club is backing Klopp and the side with funds....

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 11126.html

maguskwt » Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:39 pm wrote:

Reg » Tue May 03, 2016 12:36 pm wrote:For those who can't understand the owners commitment to the club, look how the club is backing Klopp and the side with funds....

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 11126.html

It's not how much you spend, it's who you spend on isn't it though?

I am very much disillusioned by our transfer dealings so far. We still seem to go the route of hey let's pay 5-10 million on this promising youngster, or "value for money" players. Yes Klopp did well in the transfer market with Dortmund. But remember he was in the Bundesliga. This is the Premier league, the most competitive league in the world bar none. It's not surprising how his Dortmund could win the Bundesliga, when you think that even in this league, Klopp could inspire the current crop of players to beat chelsea and man city handily on their day. But as we saw, it's not enough in this league. The team needs more quality to be consistent. I would like to see the likes of Gotze, Gundogan, Higuan sign for us. Alot of our promising youngsters/ investments are leaving with us getting zero for them anyway. It shows the current transfer strategy is not working. We should just sign 1 or 2 proper 'class' players a season and fill up the rest with promising youngsters. Spend about 60 million each window for 1-2 class players. Sell deadwood to claw back abit of funds. We can't compete with the Reals, the Barcas, the Cities and the Chelseas but we could still get players of the calibre of the abovementioned 3 if our offers were attractive enough. Rafa went for the likes of Reina, Alonso, Mascherano and Torres. They were not the cream of the crop in the transfer market back then but they were class players. Rafa's squad became worse only after Twit and ***** took over.

johnbarnes » Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:12 pm wrote:

maguskwt » Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:39 pm wrote:

Reg » Tue May 03, 2016 12:36 pm wrote:For those who can't understand the owners commitment to the club, look how the club is backing Klopp and the side with funds....

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 11126.html

It's not how much you spend, it's who you spend on isn't it though?

I am very much disillusioned by our transfer dealings so far. We still seem to go the route of hey let's pay 5-10 million on this promising youngster, or "value for money" players. Yes Klopp did well in the transfer market with Dortmund. But remember he was in the Bundesliga. This is the Premier league, the most competitive league in the world bar none. It's not surprising how his Dortmund could win the Bundesliga, when you think that even in this league, Klopp could inspire the current crop of players to beat chelsea and man city handily on their day. But as we saw, it's not enough in this league. The team needs more quality to be consistent. I would like to see the likes of Gotze, Gundogan, Higuan sign for us. Alot of our promising youngsters/ investments are leaving with us getting zero for them anyway. It shows the current transfer strategy is not working. We should just sign 1 or 2 proper 'class' players a season and fill up the rest with promising youngsters. Spend about 60 million each window for 1-2 class players. Sell deadwood to claw back abit of funds. We can't compete with the Reals, the Barcas, the Cities and the Chelseas but we could still get players of the calibre of the abovementioned 3 if our offers were attractive enough. Rafa went for the likes of Reina, Alonso, Mascherano and Torres. They were not the cream of the crop in the transfer market back then but they were class players. Rafa's squad became worse only after Twit and ***** took over.

There are many points here ^^^
One thing that the majority of fans either don't get or somehow just don't want to acknowledge:
1. A top player in todays market costs 30M+ (30m being the bottom of that sectional barrel - i.e. Benteke) So a real top boy really costs in excess of 50M+
(So I don't know how we are going to sign to top flight player(s) for 60M)
2. WAGES - This is the BIGGEST stumbling block.
The top boys want 200K per week (As this is the going rate at other clubs) which = 10.4M per year x the usual 4 year deal = 41.6M
So that real fee paid by the club is not the 50M transfer fee but in fact 91.6M over 4 years!
Among the players who could join LFC - How many of those players are really worth 91.6M?
Gundogan (has been touted around lately) as with Gotze - Are either of those players actual worth 91.6M?  IF fans really beleive this, then I'd say - What d0pe are you smoking over there?
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This isn't even taking into account that FSG are probably seeking investment into the club which presents a whole other bunch of factors that todays fans either don't know about or simply do not care!
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I've written this before, but the real mistake FSG made was two seasons ago when LFC were top of the tree at Xmas and they chose not to invest in the squad in what many consider a difficult period to recruit players. However hindsight now shows that if they had invested 91.6M in the squad to get 'that' player to compliment LS and SG at that time - then we probably wouldn't be feeling the way we ALL DO today...