Liverpool FC Forum

Boxscarf » Fri May 18, 2012 10:34 am wrote:I like the way Ian Ayre speaks from a businessman's perspective, you can tell that he has never been a supporter of a football club. Winning trophies is what it's all about, McDermott is spot on with this comments. 4th is not an achievement, ask Arsenal supporters who are desperate for some silverware in their cabinet if 4th is a success. 4th from a business point of view is a success from a business perspective, from a supporters perspective, it means you're the 4th best team in the league. It's a hardly the cause to get the party poppers out and the Caterpillar cake from Sainsbury's.

Eagle » Fri May 18, 2012 10:44 am wrote:So much rubbish is being thrown around at the moment. Kenny was primarily sacked for finishing closer to relegation than fourth place. You’d think that people would take this as a sign that the owners actually want to move towards our ultimate goal of winning the league but people are questioning their ambition? FSG’s goal is the same as ours, to win the league.

Some of you sound like absolute dinosaurs moaning about 'modern day football' and coming fourth versus cup success. As Carragher said, playing in the Champions League is a spring board for challenging for the league, and not the end goal itself. Winning the league cup was great, but Champions League qualification is essential if we want better players.

Yes it’s sad that Kenny has gone but there's no need for the fans to lose the plot. Kenny and Comolli have themselves to blame for being sacked. Together they overspent on mediocre mid-table players and Kenny decided to put these players straight into the team and persisted with them regardless of form and ignored the players like Kuyt and Maxi who helped him get the job in the first place. If we’d had a topsy turvy season (rather than got into a rut for 4 months) and finished in 6th or 7th spot only 5 points off a Champions League place I’m sure Kenny would still be in a job.

Sure FSG have made some mistakes in the handling of the situation but people who believe Kenny deserved more time surely can extend the same approach to FSG? After all this is their first time managing a football club. I don’t think Martinez and Rodgers are the way forward but there is nothing wrong with wanting to include them in the interview process.

And I'm happy FSG are conducting interviews and being through in the selection process. Nothing wrong with it at all. David Dein was seen alongside the owners at two consecutive games at the back end of the season and rumours suggest he may be acting as a consultant in terms of hiring the manager and a number of other positions at the club.

burjennio » Fri May 18, 2012 10:46 am wrote:What you say there is completely contradictory, how can you be pleased that the MD speaks in a completely business sense in terms of top four priority and in the same f*cking sentence claim that "4th is not an achievement" and that "winning trophies is whats its all about?" Are you high?

RedAnt » Fri May 18, 2012 10:47 am wrote:

Eagle » Fri May 18, 2012 10:44 am wrote:So much rubbish is being thrown around at the moment. Kenny was primarily sacked for finishing closer to relegation than fourth place. You’d think that people would take this as a sign that the owners actually want to move towards our ultimate goal of winning the league but people are questioning their ambition? FSG’s goal is the same as ours, to win the league.

Some of you sound like absolute dinosaurs moaning about 'modern day football' and coming fourth versus cup success. As Carragher said, playing in the Champions League is a spring board for challenging for the league, and not the end goal itself. Winning the league cup was great, but Champions League qualification is essential if we want better players.

Yes it’s sad that Kenny has gone but there's no need for the fans to lose the plot. Kenny and Comolli have themselves to blame for being sacked. Together they overspent on mediocre mid-table players and Kenny decided to put these players straight into the team and persisted with them regardless of form and ignored the players like Kuyt and Maxi who helped him get the job in the first place. If we’d had a topsy turvy season (rather than got into a rut for 4 months) and finished in 6th or 7th spot only 5 points off a Champions League place I’m sure Kenny would still be in a job.

Sure FSG have made some mistakes in the handling of the situation but people who believe Kenny deserved more time surely can extend the same approach to FSG? After all this is their first time managing a football club. I don’t think Martinez and Rodgers are the way forward but there is nothing wrong with wanting to include them in the interview process.

And I'm happy FSG are conducting interviews and being through in the selection process. Nothing wrong with it at all. David Dein was seen alongside the owners at two consecutive games at the back end of the season and rumours suggest he may be acting as a consultant in terms of hiring the manager and a number of other positions at the club.

Rubbish being thrown around? Ya mean lke the fact we finished 8th, four places off fourth and which is closer to fourth than relegation? Wise words indeed.

NorfolkRed » Fri May 18, 2012 10:52 am wrote:

RedAnt » Fri May 18, 2012 10:47 am wrote:

Eagle » Fri May 18, 2012 10:44 am wrote:So much rubbish is being thrown around at the moment. Kenny was primarily sacked for finishing closer to relegation than fourth place. You’d think that people would take this as a sign that the owners actually want to move towards our ultimate goal of winning the league but people are questioning their ambition? FSG’s goal is the same as ours, to win the league.

Some of you sound like absolute dinosaurs moaning about 'modern day football' and coming fourth versus cup success. As Carragher said, playing in the Champions League is a spring board for challenging for the league, and not the end goal itself. Winning the league cup was great, but Champions League qualification is essential if we want better players.

Yes it’s sad that Kenny has gone but there's no need for the fans to lose the plot. Kenny and Comolli have themselves to blame for being sacked. Together they overspent on mediocre mid-table players and Kenny decided to put these players straight into the team and persisted with them regardless of form and ignored the players like Kuyt and Maxi who helped him get the job in the first place. If we’d had a topsy turvy season (rather than got into a rut for 4 months) and finished in 6th or 7th spot only 5 points off a Champions League place I’m sure Kenny would still be in a job.

Sure FSG have made some mistakes in the handling of the situation but people who believe Kenny deserved more time surely can extend the same approach to FSG? After all this is their first time managing a football club. I don’t think Martinez and Rodgers are the way forward but there is nothing wrong with wanting to include them in the interview process.

And I'm happy FSG are conducting interviews and being through in the selection process. Nothing wrong with it at all. David Dein was seen alongside the owners at two consecutive games at the back end of the season and rumours suggest he may be acting as a consultant in terms of hiring the manager and a number of other positions at the club.

Rubbish being thrown around? Ya mean lke the fact we finished 8th, four places off fourth and which is closer to fourth than relegation? Wise words indeed.

i think its pretty clear he is referring to points not positions

NorfolkRed » Fri May 18, 2012 10:58 am wrote:lol you are both right - we simultaneously finished closer to the top four and the bottom three - arent stats wonderful

7_Kewell » Fri May 18, 2012 10:59 am wrote:Our league form in 2012 was on par with teams going down. We were awful, and it didn't help with kenny telling everyone who would listen that this season was a 'success'.

Then it boils down to one simple question: were the board prepared to give Kenny more cash? The answer was a unanimous NO...hence he had to go.

Also, kenny was never summoned to the USA...he went by his own accord. The owners were planning to hold their meeting at Afield, but Kenny refused to wait.

Eagle » Fri May 18, 2012 10:53 am wrote:Since you’re (RedAnt) a bit special I’ll spell it out for you. We were 17 points behind the team that finished 4th and 16 points ahead of the team that finished 18th. And 17 is a higher number than 16. I hope that clears things up for you.

RedAnt » Fri May 18, 2012 12:12 pm wrote:

Eagle » Fri May 18, 2012 10:53 am wrote:Since you’re (RedAnt) a bit special I’ll spell it out for you. We were 17 points behind the team that finished 4th and 16 points ahead of the team that finished 18th. And 17 is a higher number than 16. I hope that clears things up for you.

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I'm a bit special? Thanks for that. But if you're going to kick up a fuss about what people say, at least get what you yourself are saying right.

Eagle » Fri May 18, 2012 11:44 am wrote:So much rubbish is being thrown around at the moment. Kenny was primarily sacked for finishing closer to relegation than fourth place. You’d think that people would take this as a sign that the owners actually want to move towards our ultimate goal of winning the league but people are questioning their ambition? FSG’s goal is the same as ours, to win the league.

Some of you sound like absolute dinosaurs moaning about 'modern day football' and coming fourth versus cup success. As Carragher said, playing in the Champions League is a spring board for challenging for the league, and not the end goal itself. Winning the league cup was great, but Champions League qualification is essential if we want better players.

Yes it’s sad that Kenny has gone but there's no need for the fans to lose the plot. Kenny and Comolli have themselves to blame for being sacked. Together they overspent on mediocre mid-table players and Kenny decided to put these players straight into the team and persisted with them regardless of form and ignored the players like Kuyt and Maxi who helped him get the job in the first place. If we’d had a topsy turvy season (rather than got into a rut for 4 months) and finished in 6th or 7th spot only 5 points off a Champions League place I’m sure Kenny would still be in a job.

Sure FSG have made some mistakes in the handling of the situation but people who believe Kenny deserved more time surely can extend the same approach to FSG? After all this is their first time managing a football club. I don’t think Martinez and Rodgers are the way forward but there is nothing wrong with wanting to include them in the interview process.

And I'm happy FSG are conducting interviews and being through in the selection process. Nothing wrong with it at all. David Dein was seen alongside the owners at two consecutive games at the back end of the season and rumours suggest he may be acting as a consultant in terms of hiring the manager and a number of other positions at the club.

stmichael » Fri May 18, 2012 12:21 pm wrote:

Eagle » Fri May 18, 2012 11:44 am wrote:So much rubbish is being thrown around at the moment. Kenny was primarily sacked for finishing closer to relegation than fourth place. You’d think that people would take this as a sign that the owners actually want to move towards our ultimate goal of winning the league but people are questioning their ambition? FSG’s goal is the same as ours, to win the league.

Some of you sound like absolute dinosaurs moaning about 'modern day football' and coming fourth versus cup success. As Carragher said, playing in the Champions League is a spring board for challenging for the league, and not the end goal itself. Winning the league cup was great, but Champions League qualification is essential if we want better players.

Yes it’s sad that Kenny has gone but there's no need for the fans to lose the plot. Kenny and Comolli have themselves to blame for being sacked. Together they overspent on mediocre mid-table players and Kenny decided to put these players straight into the team and persisted with them regardless of form and ignored the players like Kuyt and Maxi who helped him get the job in the first place. If we’d had a topsy turvy season (rather than got into a rut for 4 months) and finished in 6th or 7th spot only 5 points off a Champions League place I’m sure Kenny would still be in a job.

Sure FSG have made some mistakes in the handling of the situation but people who believe Kenny deserved more time surely can extend the same approach to FSG? After all this is their first time managing a football club. I don’t think Martinez and Rodgers are the way forward but there is nothing wrong with wanting to include them in the interview process.

And I'm happy FSG are conducting interviews and being through in the selection process. Nothing wrong with it at all. David Dein was seen alongside the owners at two consecutive games at the back end of the season and rumours suggest he may be acting as a consultant in terms of hiring the manager and a number of other positions at the club.

so if the new manager finishes 6th and wins nothing next season i presume you'd advocate him being replaced then? it takes longer than one full season to clean up the utter mess we were in when kenny came in.