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Kenny Kan » Sun May 13, 2012 10:19 am wrote:Rafa debate , YAWN.

its been a while, but we like to air the Rafa washing every now and again

7_Kewell » Sat May 12, 2012 11:19 pm wrote:It's the team's fault

Rafa forced pressure onto our team and public ridicule by making a fool of himself on national television. The fact we didn’t win our next league game after his cringworthy FACT press conference put more pressure onto our players, and that continued for a month. Purple nose must have laughed his t!ts off as we squandered our poistion in the league.

But hey, lets bring Rafa back. He only spent £227 million last time, maybe he could break the £500 million mark and bring in Gareth Barry like he always wanted. After all, he’s better than Alonso, right?   :laugh:

You really don't like to quote correct facts do you 7_kewel, Rafa's net spend was in fact only about £10 million a year and most of that was in the first few years when we massively overperformed, in the last few years he had some of the worst owners ever in football to contend with. In comparison Kenny has had great owners and a Sh*t load of money to spend, he's handled the media terribly and achieved our worst league result in 60 years. Given the choice I think I'd rather have Rafa back and I have a strong suspicion I'll get my wish becuase surely the owners aren't so stupid to stick with a under performing manager like Kenny.

Also how about commenting on the stat on how we earned more points per game after the rant than before?

How does Guillem Balague know for certain what the owners have decided with regard to Kenny? Is he regularly in touch with them?

It is only a tabloid but this would suggest a different slant on things-

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ure-829950

RichardLFC1 » Sun May 13, 2012 10:14 am wrote:I feel if you had finished your post with FACT their Mart it may have had a better statement. Oppurtunity missed

I considered it but I thought it would have been dismissed as a rant then.

Just saw a post about Martinez being linked to Kenny's job, hmmm.. might not be a bad switch if Kenny went on to different job within the club...like...um..Ambassodor?

lakes10 » Sun May 13, 2012 8:54 am wrote:I am getting so fed of of this Rafa love in.
what i would like to add to what you have just said is that if you trust  some media (like i do,BBC) then Rafa has also tried to put his name in the hat for 6 ovther jobs since his last sacking, one of them being the England job.

the truth is that the football world fear Rafa as a manager ...not for he good he can do but the bad he will do, his spending at Liverpool was out of control, he added players to the club every few weeks, yes the club made some money back on players but lets face it one of them is still out on loan and he cost us something like 20mil.

Rafa is seen as a danger man due to the contract he asks for, full control over buying players and the youth set up and he spending money, unless you are man city ou are never going to buy the players he is after.

You're fed up because because you were the most focaL anti-Rafa in his final year so you're just continuing your hatred. Nothing new there mate as we haven't forgotten though it is becoming a little tedious mind........[/quote]




lo Reg get it Right, i did not wish for Rafa to even get the job in the first place and my view then is the same as it is now, he is a creat CL manager but dont understand the prem and never will.
the problem Rafa has when never thinks he is wrong and learns things very slow.[/quote]

I agree with most of the points you make about Rafa but I wonder if Aquilani was the board's signing rather than Rafa's in the way that Keane was Parry's signing rather than Rafa's.

lo Reg get it Right, i did not wish for Rafa to even get the job in the first place and my view then is the same as it is now, he is a creat CL manager but dont understand the prem and never will.
the problem Rafa has when never thinks he is wrong and learns things very slow.[/quote]

I agree with most of the points you make about Rafa but I wonder if

Aquilani was the board's signing rather than Rafa's in the way that Keane was Parry's signing rather than Rafa's.[/quote]


I dont know, the way Rafa spoke about him he rated him a lot and i am sure Rafa would have made it very clear if he was not the one to buy him lol.

I would suspect Fenway will stick with Dalglish but the question now is will Dagger come out
the end of season discussions content he can work with them and the people they intend to
bring in to Anfield alongside him.

We have to keep in mind there has been a lot of changes behind the scenes and its unsettling
and difficult to build relationships with new people when you have known some of the guys
that have been shipped out a long time.

My guess is they have a plan B should Dalglish show any kind of resentment, or that he is not
completely on board with the model they are going with.

Anything is possible really, you can go into a meeting with best intentions but it can turn sour and
before you know it your packing your gear one way or another.

Providing Dalglish is open to everything then I dont see him leaving now.

heimdall » Sun May 13, 2012 10:40 am wrote:

7_Kewell » Sat May 12, 2012 11:19 pm wrote:It's the team's fault

Rafa forced pressure onto our team and public ridicule by making a fool of himself on national television. The fact we didn’t win our next league game after his cringworthy FACT press conference put more pressure onto our players, and that continued for a month. Purple nose must have laughed his t!ts off as we squandered our poistion in the league.

But hey, lets bring Rafa back. He only spent £227 million last time, maybe he could break the £500 million mark and bring in Gareth Barry like he always wanted. After all, he’s better than Alonso, right?   :laugh:

You really don't like to quote correct facts do you 7_kewel, Rafa's net spend was in fact only about £10 million a year and most of that was in the first few years when we massively overperformed, in the last few years he had some of the worst owners ever in football to contend with. In comparison Kenny has had great owners and a Sh*t load of money to spend, he's handled the media terribly and achieved our worst league result in 60 years. Given the choice I think I'd rather have Rafa back and I have a strong suspicion I'll get my wish becuase surely the owners aren't so stupid to stick with a under performing manager like Kenny.

Also how about commenting on the stat on how we earned more points per game after the rant than before?

I don't buy the net spend argument. It's like selling your house for 300k and buying another for 305k, only to find the new house is a garden shed "it's ok, i only spent 5k"....   It doesn't work, because you're basically saying it's OK to waste money.

Also, our form dropped for a month after RAfa's rant, and i believe it played a huge role in us losing the title. It showed RAfa couldn't handle the pressure or purple nose's mind games.

lakes10 » Sun May 13, 2012 11:18 am wrote:lo Reg get it Right, i did not wish for Rafa to even get the job in the first place and my view then is the same as it is now, he is a creat CL manager but dont understand the prem and never will.
the problem Rafa has when never thinks he is wrong and learns things very slow.

I agree with most of the points you make about Rafa but I wonder if

Aquilani was the board's signing rather than Rafa's in the way that Keane was Parry's signing rather than Rafa's.[/quote]


I dont know, the way Rafa spoke about him he rated him a lot and i am sure Rafa would have made it very clear if he was not the one to buy him lol.[/quote]

He didn't make it clear openly that Keane wasn't his signing he dropped a load of hints about that deal. Similarly after Parry left in the spring of 2009 and Purslow came in Rafa made some points when he left the club about that change and that the club limited the amount of money that he could spend.

at the time benitez went i agreed with the decision, i felt he had taken the club as far as he could and 6 years at a big club is a decent stint these days.
i also felt that the club needed to step away from the arguments behind the scene`s, in his time as manager rafa fell out publically with hicks, gillette, parry, purslow, noel white, pako ayestrayan, steve heighway, ryan babel, yossi benayoun, albert riera, one of the medical staff (cant remember if it was mark leather or dave galley at the moment), danny murphy, xabi alonso, j.a riise, alberto aquilani, robbie keane, craig bellamy etc etc
saying that benitez did an unbelievable job at the club and anyone saying anything different is off their rocker!

Kenny will stay. Even if he didn't I don't think Rafa would be appointed. I could see a younger manager coming in just hope it isn't Rodgers or Martinez

By the way is their a press conference due today?

Maybe I’m reading too much into it but I think Kenny’s body language has been different since Comolli was sacked. My guess is that he was told then that the owners would be appointing a new manager for next year. I guess we’ll find out in the next week or two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xXkydFvIKA


Just some early Celtic footage, and another gentle nudge in reminding people why the mans a legend 
YNWA

RED BEERGOGGLES » Sun May 13, 2012 1:21 pm wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xXkydFvIKA


Just some early Celtic footage, and another gentle nudge in reminding people why the mans a legend 
YNWA

I think everyone connected with the club knows that Kenny is a legend, however that doesn't mean he is the right man to take us forward as a club does it? We are where we are because this club has an unhealthy obsession with the past with history.

Manchester United fans have a saying of "Liverpool live in their history, while we create history" and that's how we should be. I'm sick and tired of this football club still living in the 70's and 80's. Even Houllier hit out at this silly obsession with the past. It's great to remember the glory years that made this club the most feared club in Europe and it's great to learn about all the past players, managers and success, but posts like this just remind me why we've slipped down the pecking order over the last 20 years.

Yes Kenny is a legend, but is he the right man to lead us forward? Who knows? At the moment, you'd have to say it's unlikely.