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Got it wrong again today. Spearing starting really? And Carroll has been recently, he deserved to start as it was his goal that got us there in the first place.

Uncle Rafa Benitez, if you're reading this, please comeback, please save us, we need you Uncle.

Boxscarf » Sat May 05, 2012 8:25 pm wrote:Uncle Rafa Benitez, if you're reading this, please comeback, please save us, we need you Uncle.

Yes please come back then you play Carroll on the left wing, sell Suarez and Skrtle and make a chase for Gareth Barry again. 

Kharhaz » Sat May 05, 2012 7:26 pm wrote:
Yes please come back then you play Carroll on the left wing, sell Suarez and Skrtle and make a chase for Gareth Barry again. 

We need to send an SOS to Rafa Benitez, come and save our club!

kartiek » Sat May 05, 2012 7:12 pm wrote:

Raoul » Sat May 05, 2012 6:44 pm wrote:451 in a cup final isn't a bad choice.

I would have picked Enrique, I would have probably picked Spearing too. I probably wouldn't have started Carroll, even though I would have wanted too, knowing that Suarez isn't the right guy to lead the line; after all Suarez has been on fire, and I'd want to start with 5 in the midfield. I'd possibly had gone with Maxi or Bellamy instead of Downing, with Kuyt on the right, but on balance, I think Kenny made a decent job of picking the team. And I think most of us probably thought that too.

He made early (for him) substitutions, and the changes he made almost got us to 2-2.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I don't blame Dalglish for today.

I'm not convinced he is the man to lead us to glory, I share the concerns about his transfers, his selections, his loyalty to certain players, his tactics at times. But, I am convinced that stability is really, really important. Under Hodgson, we were dire. Under Dalglish we've been wasteful, naive at times, but we've rarely been dire. At times we've been a joy to watch. He should be given more time.

If the owners disagree, and sack Dalglish in the summer, that is their call. But they've got to get the next selection right, and whoever comes in must be given time. There are no shortcuts to sustained, ongoing success.

Yes, after all, the only job of the manager is to pick the first 11 isn't it? After that, he's absolved of all responsibility? This is incredulous.

I understand that emotions run high after a result (and performance) like that, but did you read my post? I think I was pretty clear that in hindsight, he got the selection and tactics wrong, but that it was defendable (the selection at least). Sure, he was somewhat forced into that situation because of the players he choose to bring into the club. But Dalglish made changes, and they almost worked. I've clearly said that I have concerns, the point I was making is that despite that, I think he should be given more time.

I'm, pretty sure I said something similar before Rafa was fired. If I remember correctly, one of my big concerns at that time was who we were going to replace Rafa with... You want Kenny out? For who? I don't think the realistic options are all that good (I have a sense that Rafa isn't on FSG's rader, but I've no idea why I feel that way), and I believe that if we did get a new manager over the summer that we'll be right back to step one in the rebuilding phase. I'm not convinced we'll be better off next year under a new manager than we will be under Kenny, simple as that.

Boxscarf » Sat May 05, 2012 8:27 pm wrote:

Kharhaz » Sat May 05, 2012 7:26 pm wrote:
Yes please come back then you play Carroll on the left wing, sell Suarez and Skrtle and make a chase for Gareth Barry again. 

We need to send an SOS to Rafa Benitez, come and save our club!

Do one!

tubby » Sat May 05, 2012 7:23 pm wrote:Got it wrong again today. Spearing starting really? And Carroll has been recently, he deserved to start as it was his goal that got us there in the first place.

Agree with both, and i dont think anyone else would disagree either.

While not a fan of Carroll, he is a premiership player. Jay Spearing will be sold to Sheffield Wednesday for 500,000 and a packet of wotsits.

I hate when youth players get anywhere near the squad when you would never actually purchase the player from another club.

lakes10 » Sat May 05, 2012 7:31 pm wrote:Do one!

That wasn't very nice was it? At least post something with a modicum of intelligence.

akumaface » Sat May 05, 2012 7:22 pm wrote:

kartiek » Sat May 05, 2012 7:12 pm wrote:

Raoul » Sat May 05, 2012 6:44 pm wrote:451 in a cup final isn't a bad choice.

I would have picked Enrique, I would have probably picked Spearing too. I probably wouldn't have started Carroll, even though I would have wanted too, knowing that Suarez isn't the right guy to lead the line; after all Suarez has been on fire, and I'd want to start with 5 in the midfield. I'd possibly had gone with Maxi or Bellamy instead of Downing, with Kuyt on the right, but on balance, I think Kenny made a decent job of picking the team. And I think most of us probably thought that too.

He made early (for him) substitutions, and the changes he made almost got us to 2-2.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I don't blame Dalglish for today.

I'm not convinced he is the man to lead us to glory, I share the concerns about his transfers, his selections, his loyalty to certain players, his tactics at times. But, I am convinced that stability is really, really important. Under Hodgson, we were dire. Under Dalglish we've been wasteful, naive at times, but we've rarely been dire. At times we've been a joy to watch. He should be given more time.

If the owners disagree, and sack Dalglish in the summer, that is their call. But they've got to get the next selection right, and whoever comes in must be given time. There are no shortcuts to sustained, ongoing success.

Yes, after all, the only job of the manager is to pick the first 11 isn't it? After that, he's absolved of all responsibility? This is incredulous.

Exactly. It's fine to make a mistake but you must remedy the situation right away. KK's decision left a lot to be desired. Some may say hindsight is a wonderful thing but looking back on all the games this season, more often or not, KK got more wrong than right. What does that tell you? Is it so hard to sub for Enrique near the end with someone like maxi? It was not like Enrique was having a good game. Subbing Enrique for Maxi might not work but at least those are the kind of simple decision KK should have made.

kenny has been unlucky though, look at the game today, okay we werent great for an hour but neither were chelsea. can you blame dalglish for reina letting a goal in that 9 times out of 10 he would have saved? the diffence today was reina lets in a sitter and somehow cech keeps carrolls header out. the diffence today was drogba`s shot went through skrtels legs but bellamys shot gets blocked when it went past cech, the difference today was the ball just bounced a yard to the side of agger when he would have had an open goal.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat May 05, 2012 7:34 pm wrote:
kenny has been unlucky though

He was created his own misfortune through erroneous decisions.

Boxscarf » Sat May 05, 2012 7:37 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat May 05, 2012 7:34 pm wrote:
kenny has been unlucky though

He was created his own misfortune through erroneous decisions.

kenny has made mistakes but how many cheap goals has reina let in this season? does the manager take the blame for that? how many sitters have the forwards missed? does the manager take the blame for that? was it his fault lucas missed practically the whole season or that suarez was banned for practically a quarter of the season? we have beaten man united, man city, chelsea twice, arsenal, newcastle and everton 3 times this season and we have got to the final of both domestic cup competitions, it`s been poor but not a total wash out.
he deserves more time imo.

I would have picked Enrique, I would have probably picked Spearing too. I probably wouldn't have started Carroll, even though I would have wanted too, knowing that Suarez isn't the right guy to lead the line; after all Suarez has been on fire, and I'd want to start with 5 in the midfield. I'd possibly had gone with Maxi or Bellamy instead of Downing, with Kuyt on the right, but on balance, I think Kenny made a decent job of picking the team. And I think most of us probably thought that too.

He made early (for him) substitutions, and the changes he made almost got us to 2-2.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I don't blame Dalglish for today.

I'm not convinced he is the man to lead us to glory, I share the concerns about his transfers, his selections, his loyalty to certain players, his tactics at times. But, I am convinced that stability is really, really important. Under Hodgson, we were dire. Under Dalglish we've been wasteful, naive at times, but we've rarely been dire. At times we've been a joy to watch. He should be given more time.

If the owners disagree, and sack Dalglish in the summer, that is their call. But they've got to get the next selection right, and whoever comes in must be given time. There are no shortcuts to sustained, ongoing success.[/quote]

Yes, after all, the only job of the manager is to pick the first 11 isn't it? After that, he's absolved of all responsibility? This is incredulous.[/quote]

Exactly. It's fine to make a mistake but you must remedy the situation right away. KK's decision left a lot to be desired. Some may say hindsight is a wonderful thing but looking back on all the games this season, more often or not, KK got more wrong than right. What does that tell you? Is it so hard to sub for Enrique near the end with someone like maxi? It was not like Enrique was having a good game. Subbing Enrique for Maxi might not work but at least those are the kind of simple decision KK should have made.[/quote]

kenny has been unlucky though, look at the game today, okay we werent great for an hour but neither were chelsea. can you blame dalglish for reina letting a goal in that 9 times out of 10 he would have saved? the diffence today was reina lets in a sitter and somehow cech keeps carrolls header out. the diffence today was drogba`s shot went through skrtels legs but bellamys shot gets blocked when it went past cech, the difference today was the ball just bounced a yard to the side of agger when he would have had an open goal.[/quote]

Being unlucky can only go so far. If you make a good decision, more often or not, you will get less "unlucky". That's why we need to change to a more "lucky" manager.

Boxscarf » Sat May 05, 2012 8:34 pm wrote:

lakes10 » Sat May 05, 2012 7:31 pm wrote:Do one!

That wasn't very nice was it? At least post something with a modicum of intelligence.

Why it would be wasted on you.

Boxscarf » Sat May 05, 2012 7:34 pm wrote:

lakes10 » Sat May 05, 2012 7:31 pm wrote:Do one!

That wasn't very nice was it? At least post something with a modicum of intelligence.

U mean like the plethora of intelligent dung u have repeatedly foisted on this site....

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat May 05, 2012 7:48 pm wrote:
kenny has made mistakes but how many cheap goals has reina let in this season? does the manager take the blame for that? how many sitters have the forwards missed? does the manager take the blame for that? was it his fault lucas missed practically the whole season or that suarez was banned for practically a quarter of the season? we have beaten man united, man city, chelsea twice, arsenal, newcastle and everton 3 times this season and we have got to the final of both domestic cup competitions, it`s been poor but not a total wash out.
he deserves more time imo.

At the end of the day, Kenny is directly and indirectly at fault for a lot of things wrong with the club. Last season he found the winning formula, he then became full-time manager and embarked on a large spending spree of around £50m+, where he brought in a couple of good signings and three notable poor signings in Adam, Downing and Henderson. These signings have unwittingly made us a worse side this season than last season. Kenny has missed a golden opportunity, in fact he has missed two because he could have strengthened in January or made some changes and chose not to do so. We've been rudderless all season, directionless all season, we have been poor all season and Kenny hasn't done anything to change this. Is he at fault for what I have mentioned? Yes! You can pass the buck, you can say he's a legend and put 'YNWA' at the end of your posts, but Kenny is the main reason we've done poorly this season and if Kenny wasn't Kenny and was a man named Roy, 99.9% of Liverpool supporters would be calling for his head. Kenny is surviving scathing criticism because of who he is, not what he's done and that's fundamentally wrong.