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Disrespect? People are discussing Rafa as a replacement for King Kenny in a thread entitled "Should Kenny Leave" and this is disrespectful to Rafa?

Thommo's perm » Fri May 04, 2012 5:53 pm wrote:

maguskwt » Fri May 04, 2012 4:41 pm wrote:Wow... I don't know whether to laugh or cry at how much biased disrespect Rafa gets on here, our best manager since Kenny's first stint, and especially by those who are lambasting other fans for not getting behind the manager. There is no need whatsoever to be spreading negative and false propanganda like there is no team who wants to appoint rafa...  makes me want to laugh... It can't be anything other than a wind up if you think of it... he won us the CL and FA cup in his first 2 seasons, put us on the map again in europe, and tried as much as he could during one of the most trying times the club has seen in recent times and still gave us a title challenge and broke the points record 2 times. Do some of us here a favour and look up Rafa's winning percentage while he was at Liverpool. Show some respect to a former LFC manager who fought for the fans and only had good intentions for the club...

Are you referring to me?
Have I written something untrue? If so where? All the things I stated are FACT, I believe.
"negative and false propaganda"? Eh? I didnt say no team wants to appoint Rafa. I said that other, lesser managers get work so Im sure he has turned jobs down. Why is that disrespectful?
Sheesh -talk about paranoid!

The guilty ones will know who I'm referring to mate...  ... if you feel that I'm referringt to you maybe I am 

But anyway I admit that that was a dramatic post myself...    sometimes you just find the need to be dramatic on here...

RedAnt » Fri May 04, 2012 7:12 pm wrote:Disrespect? People are discussing Rafa as a replacement for King Kenny in a thread entitled "Should Kenny Leave" and this is disrespectful to Rafa?

Yeah! who started this disrespectful thread??? 

Guys,

I think most of us saw that Rafa loved Liverpool and was the glue that kept things together for a long time. I would never question that in any way shape or form, but so long as Kenny is available and willing, he trumps Rafa till the end of time. No offense to Rafa intended there, it's just a fact. It's like Jesus reincarnating and the church preferring someone else over him. This isn't about football, it's about the legend that Liverpool is and the class that we have lost over the last 30 yrs. There is one person and one person only who represents the chance to recapture that spirit and have it continue for generations to come. Love the man, don't hate him and give him the courtesy of at least one more season and close this feckin thread.

Yes, Kenny should leave. I think he's devoid of ideas and his buys aren't good enough.

I have hope for the future and I believe that this present team itself can perform much much better, but it needs a proper manager to sort out our game play. I think we do have the personnel but it's down to Kenny that we just can't get ourselves to achieve any fluency or shape.

KK must step down. As a player, KK was God but as a manager. He isn't. Ask yourself this, do you see KK as a world class manager? He isn't and all I heard people saying that it would be disrespect to axe KK. We are not in a popularity contest here. If we were, KK will win for sure. With the most important game of the season, he put in all these underperformers and just hope it works. It was trouble from the start. Spearing, Hendo and Downing just to name a few. There should be changes after half time but he waited until we are 2 goals down. Left the 2nd sub too late with Kuyt and we need goals but he sticks with Hendo. Should have sub one of the back for Maxi or Jonjo. So many wrong decision and not just in this game. John Henry for sure will now ask KK to step down. Even his beloved Boston red sox is last in their division and he is not going to stand pat as there is no improvement at all. If we have a more tactical manager, I'm sure the result will be different even with the same players we have.

451 in a cup final isn't a bad choice.

I would have picked Enrique, I would have probably picked Spearing too. I probably wouldn't have started Carroll, even though I would have wanted too, knowing that Suarez isn't the right guy to lead the line; after all Suarez has been on fire, and I'd want to start with 5 in the midfield. I'd possibly had gone with Maxi or Bellamy instead of Downing, with Kuyt on the right, but on balance, I think Kenny made a decent job of picking the team. And I think most of us probably thought that too.

He made early (for him) substitutions, and the changes he made almost got us to 2-2.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I don't blame Dalglish for today.

I'm not convinced he is the man to lead us to glory, I share the concerns about his transfers, his selections, his loyalty to certain players, his tactics at times. But, I am convinced that stability is really, really important. Under Hodgson, we were dire. Under Dalglish we've been wasteful, naive at times, but we've rarely been dire. At times we've been a joy to watch. He should be given more time.

If the owners disagree, and sack Dalglish in the summer, that is their call. But they've got to get the next selection right, and whoever comes in must be given time. There are no shortcuts to sustained, ongoing success.

I want him to stay for another season, but I don't see NESV giving him that chance i'm afraid 

Sadly, i don't think Kenny will walk or get sacked.

He'll be given the benfit of the doubt, but it's putting off the inevitable in my view. Kenny isn't good enough and it's plain to see with his dire transfers, team selections and tactics.

metalhead » Sat May 05, 2012 6:49 pm wrote:I want him to stay for another season, but I don't see NESV giving him that chance i'm afraid 

John W Henry looked disgusted and I don't blame him, I'm equally as disgusted. I've lost all of my faith in Kenny, if he still here next season he'll still have my support, but I do want a change of manager in the summer. I can see us getting worse next season, not better, but I'm going to forget this sorry season ever existed, I'm going to erase it from my mind like the first half of last season and look forward to a brighter tomorrow (fingers crossed).

It is really difficult to forget the season. It will take some time. I'm sure KK was trying really hard as he wanted the club to do well. But KK was outsmarted by so many opponent's manager time and time again. We are not talking about a rookie manager here. If you are talking about someone will an upside, I would fully support of giving him another year to proof his worth but KK is what you see is what you get. He is not going to improve the team. I guess as of now, still gutted by the result and hope tomorrow will be brighter indeed when I wake up.

Its the signings... they have destroyed us and him.

You dont spend over 100m and somehow make the team weaker, and expect to get away with it. Our midfield is dogsh*t. Spearing, Henderson (and Shelvey as backup). Christ.


Initially i had wondered if the deals were 100% Comolli and Kenny had zilch to do it, until he confirmed that no player signed for Liverpool that he hadn't agreed to.

I have said umpteen times the outlay is sackable (not that i WANTED him sacked). I'm still in two minds... a lot depends on his transfer policy. If i was pushed i would like him to stay, but only if he ripped up his buy average british garbage strategy. Big clubs don't spend a fortune on pap.

We have got worse, much worse this season.. and a penalty shoot-out win over championship side Cardiff cannot conceal that.

The problem with Dalglish is that he's stuck in Blackburn mode, where you could win the League with a majority of English players in 1995. Fast forward 17 years and a lot has changed since then. He played it safe during the summer, he went with British players who knew the league and who were performing well at their respective clubs. The problem with that is the players haven't been able to step up to the plate and perform, only Carroll has. Enrique in the last few months has gone right off the boil, Adam, Downing and Henderson just haven't even managed to simmer yet. What's even worse is the amount of money paid for these players, it's disgusting! We need a manager who is going to come in, build foundations, bring success and who won't accept second best. Dalglish just isn't this man, I wish he was, but he isn't and if we want to become successful, we must be ruthless and we must be swift in our actions. I honestly believe his management of the club is untenable and I have no qualms with him being thanked for stepping in and steadying the ship and then being moved on in another capacity at the club, if he so wishes!

Raoul » Sat May 05, 2012 6:44 pm wrote:451 in a cup final isn't a bad choice.

I would have picked Enrique, I would have probably picked Spearing too. I probably wouldn't have started Carroll, even though I would have wanted too, knowing that Suarez isn't the right guy to lead the line; after all Suarez has been on fire, and I'd want to start with 5 in the midfield. I'd possibly had gone with Maxi or Bellamy instead of Downing, with Kuyt on the right, but on balance, I think Kenny made a decent job of picking the team. And I think most of us probably thought that too.

He made early (for him) substitutions, and the changes he made almost got us to 2-2.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I don't blame Dalglish for today.

I'm not convinced he is the man to lead us to glory, I share the concerns about his transfers, his selections, his loyalty to certain players, his tactics at times. But, I am convinced that stability is really, really important. Under Hodgson, we were dire. Under Dalglish we've been wasteful, naive at times, but we've rarely been dire. At times we've been a joy to watch. He should be given more time.

If the owners disagree, and sack Dalglish in the summer, that is their call. But they've got to get the next selection right, and whoever comes in must be given time. There are no shortcuts to sustained, ongoing success.

Yes, after all, the only job of the manager is to pick the first 11 isn't it? After that, he's absolved of all responsibility? This is incredulous.

kartiek » Sat May 05, 2012 7:12 pm wrote:

Raoul » Sat May 05, 2012 6:44 pm wrote:451 in a cup final isn't a bad choice.

I would have picked Enrique, I would have probably picked Spearing too. I probably wouldn't have started Carroll, even though I would have wanted too, knowing that Suarez isn't the right guy to lead the line; after all Suarez has been on fire, and I'd want to start with 5 in the midfield. I'd possibly had gone with Maxi or Bellamy instead of Downing, with Kuyt on the right, but on balance, I think Kenny made a decent job of picking the team. And I think most of us probably thought that too.

He made early (for him) substitutions, and the changes he made almost got us to 2-2.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I don't blame Dalglish for today.

I'm not convinced he is the man to lead us to glory, I share the concerns about his transfers, his selections, his loyalty to certain players, his tactics at times. But, I am convinced that stability is really, really important. Under Hodgson, we were dire. Under Dalglish we've been wasteful, naive at times, but we've rarely been dire. At times we've been a joy to watch. He should be given more time.

If the owners disagree, and sack Dalglish in the summer, that is their call. But they've got to get the next selection right, and whoever comes in must be given time. There are no shortcuts to sustained, ongoing success.

Yes, after all, the only job of the manager is to pick the first 11 isn't it? After that, he's absolved of all responsibility? This is incredulous.

Exactly. It's fine to make a mistake but you must remedy the situation right away. KK's decision left a lot to be desired. Some may say hindsight is a wonderful thing but looking back on all the games this season, more often or not, KK got more wrong than right. What does that tell you? Is it so hard to sub for Enrique near the end with someone like maxi? It was not like Enrique was having a good game. Subbing Enrique for Maxi might not work but at least those are the kind of simple decision KK should have made.