Liverpool FC Forum

maguskwt » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:18 am wrote:I don't want to be disrespectful towards Kenny, but just has to put this question out. Kenny, IMHO is not a long term solution for the owners. Yes they gave him a 3 year contract, but I doubt he will be the manager for the full duration of the contract. Now, there seem to be quite alot of managers with pedigree available right now. Will any of you advocate any of these managers replacing Kenny as a long term solution for us?

Pep Guardiola - Just announced he's leaving Barca
Fabio Capello - Apparently looking for Premier League post
Rafa - same as above
AVB - I'm sure he is willing to proof that he can do it in the premier league

For me, I dont think the problem is with Kenny. I think the problem is more to do with this league. I look at Mancini and his response to City being in the title race, his response is, its over. And it is. There is no way in hell the FA will let City win the league. Alex Ferguson has too much of an influence. Everton got a fantastic result against them, but United were 7 points clear. Does anyone else here think United could mess up ?? For me yes they will, but the refs will help them get number 20.

Just as I think the FA are responsible for Suarez getting banned for 8 games, and the fact that Liverpool have had nothing go their way all season. No penalties, no fouls, and yet we are the ultimate bad guys.

The problem isnt Kenny, the problem is money and influence. And we have neither.

maguskwt » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:18 am wrote:I don't want to be disrespectful towards Kenny, but just has to put this question out. Kenny, IMHO is not a long term solution for the owners. Yes they gave him a 3 year contract, but I doubt he will be the manager for the full duration of the contract. Now, there seem to be quite alot of managers with pedigree available right now. Will any of you advocate any of these managers replacing Kenny as a long term solution for us?

Pep Guardiola - Just announced he's leaving Barca
Fabio Capello - Apparently looking for Premier League post
Rafa - same as above
AVB - I'm sure he is willing to proof that he can do it in the premier league

Wrong thread mate, this is the chuckle brothers appreciation thread.

But since you ask, I'd take Pep and Rafa as long term solutions. Capello isn't a long term solution. AVB... really not sure. But not next year. Kenny should be given another year. If results are still dross, perhaps there is a case for replacing him over Christmas, but whoever is our manager will need to be afforded time, unless it is clear that they aren't up to the job. Roy, for example, wasn't - the quality of the football was awful, at least under Dalglish we've been good to watch, albeit unnecessarily frustrating.

This thread is assuming 'oldie but goldie' status alongside 'Will we beat Blackpool?'.

You still haven't answered the 'simple' question I put forth to you Reg?

It appears you are a very indecisive person - fickle perhaps, as you are too scared to nail your colours to the mast.

Kharhaz » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:05 am wrote:

maguskwt » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:18 am wrote:I don't want to be disrespectful towards Kenny, but just has to put this question out. Kenny, IMHO is not a long term solution for the owners. Yes they gave him a 3 year contract, but I doubt he will be the manager for the full duration of the contract. Now, there seem to be quite alot of managers with pedigree available right now. Will any of you advocate any of these managers replacing Kenny as a long term solution for us?

Pep Guardiola - Just announced he's leaving Barca
Fabio Capello - Apparently looking for Premier League post
Rafa - same as above
AVB - I'm sure he is willing to proof that he can do it in the premier league

For me, I dont think the problem is with Kenny. I think the problem is more to do with this league. I look at Mancini and his response to City being in the title race, his response is, its over. And it is. There is no way in hell the FA will let City win the league. Alex Ferguson has too much of an influence. Everton got a fantastic result against them, but United were 7 points clear. Does anyone else here think United could mess up ?? For me yes they will, but the refs will help them get number 20.

Just as I think the FA are responsible for Suarez getting banned for 8 games, and the fact that Liverpool have had nothing go their way all season. No penalties, no fouls, and yet we are the ultimate bad guys.

The problem isnt Kenny, the problem is money and influence. And we have neither.

I'm with you with most things mate however I can't buy into that conspiracy theory. If the FA wanted man Utd to win the league they would not of left it this close. I think City will both beat Man Utd at the weekend and win the league on goal difference.

No doubt whoever comes in to a new job is under pressure, Kenny has been fortunate because he in comparison has less pressure. Don't get me wrong for me we have made clear progress. Looking back at where we were with H&G and Hodgson, it is a world apart. Kenny needs to make a couple of quality signing this summer if he stands any chance of progressing us further. With that said I think the management will already be scouting for a new manager, especially when there are the likes of Guardiola and Mourinho potentially available. With the right package and the challenge of restoring former glory they might come.

I hope Kenny stays and reclaims that glory through his methods I truly do, but I have a feeling he has been appointed to stabilise and the tenure was only ever temporary.

maguskwt » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:18 am wrote:I don't want to be disrespectful towards Kenny, but just has to put this question out. Kenny, IMHO is not a long term solution for the owners. Yes they gave him a 3 year contract, but I doubt he will be the manager for the full duration of the contract. Now, there seem to be quite alot of managers with pedigree available right now. Will any of you advocate any of these managers replacing Kenny as a long term solution for us?

Pep Guardiola - Just announced he's leaving Barca
Fabio Capello - Apparently looking for Premier League post
Rafa - same as above
AVB - I'm sure he is willing to proof that he can do it in the premier league

guardiola has done it all with a fantastic team with the cream of the worlds talent so it remains a doubt whether he can replicate that from scratch in another country without possibly the best academy feeding him new talent all the time.im doubtful about him and we dont stand a chance of getting him.
capello is a good manager with success at numerous clubs in different countrys.bit of a pr!ck though and he wants to manage in london either spuds or chavs.
rafa is a legend here but i cant see him returning.he'd snap henrys arm off though but i doubt john will extend it.
avb is clearly a man who needs time to adapt and build his team.his task wasnt easy at chelsea but most importantly for me he allowed himself to be walked on by the players and owner and that is something capello or benitez would never accept.i dont think in the short term he would do any better than kenny.

removing kenny now could set us back further than you think,results arent great atm but morale seems to be good and the players imo believe and want to play for him.
im surprised you failed to include maureen in that list as he will probably leave madrid also in the summer.

Pep Guardiola has said he wants a break from football.
Capello - wouldn't let him take charge of a sunday league team let alone Liverpool
AVB - not sure
Rafa - not got an opinion, would love to see him take charge with John Henry and the current set up. See what he can really do.
Mourinio - still got a job.

maguskwt » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:18 am wrote:I don't want to be disrespectful towards Kenny, but just has to put this question out. Kenny, IMHO is not a long term solution for the owners. Yes they gave him a 3 year contract, but I doubt he will be the manager for the full duration of the contract. Now, there seem to be quite alot of managers with pedigree available right now. Will any of you advocate any of these managers replacing Kenny as a long term solution for us?

Pep Guardiola - Just announced he's leaving Barca
Fabio Capello - Apparently looking for Premier League post
Rafa - same as above
AVB - I'm sure he is willing to proof that he can do it in the premier league

Its not disrespectful, its downright distasteful to openly discuss options for future managers ,whilst the current one is trying to add another
cup to our trophy cabinet .   

RedAnt » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:19 pm wrote:Heimdall, I'm confused. We tried you suggestion with Woy and look what happened. It seems all most like you're suggesting we employ a bargain basement manager like Woy and if it fails then we try another one next year. That's just what Chelsea do, only they shop for world class managers. I'm really missing your point.

Woy never worked, so we should take a punt on Martinez...and do we give him more time than we give Kenny? Or perhaps if he fails in season one, we can take a punt on that Swansea bloke?

I once won promotion to the Championship with Darlington on Footy Manager. Maybe I can have a shot at the top 4 after Kenny.

I never wanted Woy, where did you get that from, he was a terrible apointment. I do think a young hungry manager can do wonders though, just look at Pep Gardiola at Barcelona or are you suggesting that was a crazy move by Barcelona?

maguskwt » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:18 am wrote:I don't want to be disrespectful towards Kenny, but just has to put this question out. Kenny, IMHO is not a long term solution for the owners. Yes they gave him a 3 year contract, but I doubt he will be the manager for the full duration of the contract. Now, there seem to be quite alot of managers with pedigree available right now. Will any of you advocate any of these managers replacing Kenny as a long term solution for us?

Pep Guardiola - Just announced he's leaving Barca
Fabio Capello - Apparently looking for Premier League post
Rafa - same as above
AVB - I'm sure he is willing to proof that he can do it in the premier league

Yes any of them with a slight preference maybe towards Capello and AVB.

heimdall » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:14 pm wrote:

RedAnt » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:19 pm wrote:Heimdall, I'm confused. We tried you suggestion with Woy and look what happened. It seems all most like you're suggesting we employ a bargain basement manager like Woy and if it fails then we try another one next year. That's just what Chelsea do, only they shop for world class managers. I'm really missing your point.

Woy never worked, so we should take a punt on Martinez...and do we give him more time than we give Kenny? Or perhaps if he fails in season one, we can take a punt on that Swansea bloke?

I once won promotion to the Championship with Darlington on Footy Manager. Maybe I can have a shot at the top 4 after Kenny.

I never wanted Woy, where did you get that from, he was a terrible apointment. I do think a young hungry manager can do wonders though, just look at Pep Gardiola at Barcelona or are you suggesting that was a crazy move by Barcelona?

The problem with folk like you is, if a new manager were appointed and had a tough start it'd be guaranteed you'd be looking/talking about his next replacement within three months of him being appointed here. You have the mental age of a 12 year old I'm afraid - 'now now now, kinda attitude' then after said manager fails, you'd probably have the bare faced cheek (again) to say, 'I wouldn't mind Kenny back'. I'm sorry, most of your posts re this matter are an utter joke.

RED BEERGOGGLES » Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:52 pm wrote:

maguskwt » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:18 am wrote:I don't want to be disrespectful towards Kenny, but just has to put this question out. Kenny, IMHO is not a long term solution for the owners. Yes they gave him a 3 year contract, but I doubt he will be the manager for the full duration of the contract. Now, there seem to be quite alot of managers with pedigree available right now. Will any of you advocate any of these managers replacing Kenny as a long term solution for us?

Pep Guardiola - Just announced he's leaving Barca
Fabio Capello - Apparently looking for Premier League post
Rafa - same as above
AVB - I'm sure he is willing to proof that he can do it in the premier league

Its not disrespectful, its downright distasteful to openly discuss options for future managers ,whilst the current one is trying to add another
cup to our trophy cabinet .   :no

Oh give it a rest you sanctimonious windbag.

heimdall » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:24 pm wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES » Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:52 pm wrote:

maguskwt » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:18 am wrote:I don't want to be disrespectful towards Kenny, but just has to put this question out. Kenny, IMHO is not a long term solution for the owners. Yes they gave him a 3 year contract, but I doubt he will be the manager for the full duration of the contract. Now, there seem to be quite alot of managers with pedigree available right now. Will any of you advocate any of these managers replacing Kenny as a long term solution for us?

Pep Guardiola - Just announced he's leaving Barca
Fabio Capello - Apparently looking for Premier League post
Rafa - same as above
AVB - I'm sure he is willing to proof that he can do it in the premier league

Its not disrespectful, its downright distasteful to openly discuss options for future managers ,whilst the current one is trying to add another
cup to our trophy cabinet .   :no

Oh give it a rest you sanctimonious windbag.

Now now,I don't think we want to go down the personal insult route ? Or has your well of inane suggestions for the progress of this club finally
run dry ? You Manc loving snivelling sycophant .....What's up had to bin all your posters of Justin Bieber and  Mourinho ?
Is this new found pent up aggression just because You're currently  getting more wood than a lumberjack over your new poster boy Pardew's
dazzling smile ?
Listen Heimdall, lets be honest here , you're  not very good at personal insults are you ........ So in the light of that lets not exasperate our
mutual loathing for one and other .

RED BEERGOGGLES » Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:53 pm wrote:
So in the light of that lets not exasperate our
mutual loathing for one and other .

 

sorry, RBG mate. nothing personal, but your malopropisms make me píss myself. i love the idea of loathing being exasperated, especially between you and heimy

and by the by, its not all so bad to speculate about who might be a future manager. its not the same as saying you want to sack him right away.