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eds » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:07 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:16 am wrote:
Who is this world class respected manager we will get if Kenny goes ?

I remember the lengthy discussions that happened when people were asking for Rafa to go.

The question was who would replace him and the answers were generally

Hiddink, Maureen, Rijkaard etc and who did we end up with ? Yes Roy Hodgson a manager who had won nothing. Yet people were still adamant we could attract one of these highly sought after managers. We couldn't and guess what - we still can't now.

You are talking nonsense, the reason why Hodgson was appointed back then was because no decent manager would have touched us.

The club was in civil war with the owners, they had already come out and said they had little money to spend and we had no Champions League.

So you can crow all day about people wanting your Hiddinks, Mourinhos but the reality was that we were never going to get anyone good enough to replace Benitez under that current state.

At the moment our club is in a much more stable position upstairs (although we have no CL to offer) and I would think that we are in a much better position to bring in a decent manager at the end of the season.

That is if Kenny and club part ways at the end of the season.

And I don't buy into this whole its Kenny or no one else nonsense. Are you guys really saying that there is no other manager out there who can do a better job then Kenny?!? Talk about one f**kin eyed cyclops supporters! 

Some great points raised there.

Our club is a very attractive opportunity for any manager who wants to awaken a sleeping giant in both the English league and Europe.

I don’t buy the cr@p that Liverpool has become (overnight) a forgotten mid table team....Everyone in the world has heard of Liverpool FC and we’d have no trouble finding someone better than Kennt...however, Kenny is still our manager and, despite the win, i felt we were poor against one of the worst teams in the league. We’ve still got huge problems with our set up, tactics and approach and the Everton game could be the make or break moment for Kenny’s tenure as our manager.

Dream world.

All the top managers in Europe are currently either managing teams that are in the CL and are fighting for domestic titles or are getting paid 10 mil a year by Russian billionaires.

We have nothing extra to offer them or can't offer them the wages.

Our club needs to be built back up before we start chasing such pipe dreams.

Why would they leave a club in the top levels of European football to come to us ? Our reputation has been severly damaged over the last 3 years.

Anyone who thinks we can get Maureen or Hiddink ( or eveb someone of that stature )doesn't have a clue.

As for we were poor against Blackburn - we were cruising until we went down to ten men and the players showed a lot of bottle and heart to win against 11 men.

It's frankly pathetic the attitude currently.

We lose and the knives are out , we win and everything is said through gritted teeth like it is a bad thing we won a game because it doesn't fit into someones opinion.

eds » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:07 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:16 am wrote:
Who is this world class respected manager we will get if Kenny goes ?

I remember the lengthy discussions that happened when people were asking for Rafa to go.

The question was who would replace him and the answers were generally

Hiddink, Maureen, Rijkaard etc and who did we end up with ? Yes Roy Hodgson a manager who had won nothing. Yet people were still adamant we could attract one of these highly sought after managers. We couldn't and guess what - we still can't now.

You are talking nonsense, the reason why Hodgson was appointed back then was because no decent manager would have touched us.

The club was in civil war with the owners, they had already come out and said they had little money to spend and we had no Champions League.

So you can crow all day about people wanting your Hiddinks, Mourinhos but the reality was that we were never going to get anyone good enough to replace Benitez under that current state.

At the moment our club is in a much more stable position upstairs (although we have no CL to offer) and I would think we have a much better chanceof bringing in a decent manager at the end of the season.

That is if Kenny and club part ways. If Kenny stays so be it, but the I think if he doesn't learn from his mistakes we are doomed to mid-table oblivion for a number of seasons to come.

And I don't buy into this whole its Kenny or no one else nonsense. Are you guys really saying that there is no other manager out there who can do a better job then Kenny?!? Talk about one f**kin eyed cyclops supporters! 

the away fans made their feelings known yesterday when they loudly chanted dalglish`s name even when blackburn pulled it back to 2-2 and another defeat looked on the cards, it`s the match goers who`ll ultimately have the say wether a manager stays or go`s, hodgsons days were numbered once thousands of empty seats started to appear during saturday afternoon league games.
until that starts to happen speculating about other managers is a waste of time.

the people that chanted Kennys name last night are the ones that got him the job.

Its almost cult-like that we have a manager who is almost untouchable in the eyes of the fans... its the equivalent of the manager of a business being untouchable in the eyes of the customers... he could sell them any old sh'te and they wouldnt complain.


To say the everton game is a defining one for Kenny is an understatement... we will know a lot more saturday tea-time about his status among the current fanbase.

eds » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:07 pm wrote:

You are talking nonsense, the reason why Hodgson was appointed back then was because no decent manager would have touched us.

The club was in civil war with the owners, they had already come out and said they had little money to spend and we had no Champions League.

So you can crow all day about people wanting your Hiddinks, Mourinhos but the reality was that we were never going to get anyone good enough to replace Benitez under that current state.

At the moment our club is in a much more stable position upstairs (although we have no CL to offer) and I would think we have a much better chanceof bringing in a decent manager at the end of the season.

That is if Kenny and club part ways. If Kenny stays so be it, but the I think if he doesn't learn from his mistakes we are doomed to mid-table oblivion for a number of seasons to come.

And I don't buy into this whole its Kenny or no one else nonsense. Are you guys really saying that there is no other manager out there who can do a better job then Kenny?!? Talk about one f**kin eyed cyclops supporters! 

Liverpool football club would have managers willing to crawl over broken glass for the chance to take the reins at this club ,regardless of the situation.
Hodgson wasn't a leader he certainly wasn't a maverick he was Mr Ordinary ,brought in to nod in the affirmative and conform to the clubs needs with
little fuss .

As for your prediction of mid table obscurity ,that bile might look clever when its spewed onto the pages of some rag with a driven agenda ,but for the
love of God fella you're  supposedly a reds fan 

If you wish to ingest the increasingly  banal diatribe regurgitated by anti red scribes on a offensively consistent basis then you go ahead . I consider
myself far less f ucking malleable .

Are we really too harsh on Kenny and the new team?
on the trot of 5-6 losses, we were expecting to win at QPR, Bolton, Wigan, Sunderland
but are these teams really walk over?
but QPR won at Gooners 2 wks earlier, Bolton drew Chelskit, Wigan just won at Manyoo and losing to Chelskit on 2 OFFSIDE goals, Mancity need 2 goals near the death to battle to a draw at Sunderland.

adding on to refs not giving us important decisions, it is not really easy to win.
give this team a chance and we will see its full potential.

Octsky » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:32 am wrote:Are we really too harsh on Kenny and the new team?
on the trot of 5-6 losses, we were expecting to win at QPR, Bolton, Wigan, Sunderland
but are these teams really walk over?
but QPR won at Gooners 2 wks earlier, Bolton drew Chelskit, Wigan just won at Manyoo and losing to Chelskit on 2 OFFSIDE goals, Mancity need 2 goals near the death to battle to a draw at Sunderland.

adding on to refs not giving us important decisions, it is not really easy to win.
give this team a chance and we will see its full potential.

I don't think anyone expected us to beat Sunderland considering the form they were in.

There was no excuse for not beating Wigan at home and we surrendered a 2 goal lead to QPR

Now I'm not one of the fans trying to get kenny out however when we have results like you mentioned and many more we need to kick up a fuss and let them know we aren't happy

Benny The Noon » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:36 pm wrote:Dream world.

All the top managers in Europe are currently either managing teams that are in the CL and are fighting for domestic titles or are getting paid 10 mil a year by Russian billionaires.

We have nothing extra to offer them or can't offer them the wages.

Our club needs to be built back up before we start chasing such pipe dreams.

Why would they leave a club in the top levels of European football to come to us ? Our reputation has been severly damaged over the last 3 years.

Anyone who thinks we can get Maureen or Hiddink ( or eveb someone of that stature )doesn't have a clue.

Dream world, the nonsense I keep hearing from your posts begs the question of what dream world you are in?

I have heard some whoppers in my time but this takes the cake!

All the top managers are at top European clubs?!? You must be kidding right? Do you actually watch any football outside of Liverpool FC? Off the top of my head I can name a few top-notch managers that aren't managing Europe's elite:

Marcelo Bielsa
Walter Mazzarri
Francesco Guidolin
Jürgen Klopp
Juan Ignacio Martínez
Ricardo Pinto
Rene Girard
Unai Emery

These guys are the ones that will be at top clubs in the next few years, so there is no reason why we shouldn't be looking at them and seeing if they are the right fit to rebuild our club. Based on the fact that they have done so well with their current sides, I shudder to think what they would have done with the budget Kenny and Comolli have blown on our flops!

Its very interesting that you comment on our reputation over the last 3 years. In that time Kenny has been at the helm for almost half that time and hasn't really improved our league standing, so in a way you are implying that he hasn't really helped our reputation. 

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:13 pm wrote:

eds » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:07 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:16 am wrote:
Who is this world class respected manager we will get if Kenny goes ?

I remember the lengthy discussions that happened when people were asking for Rafa to go.

The question was who would replace him and the answers were generally

Hiddink, Maureen, Rijkaard etc and who did we end up with ? Yes Roy Hodgson a manager who had won nothing. Yet people were still adamant we could attract one of these highly sought after managers. We couldn't and guess what - we still can't now.

You are talking nonsense, the reason why Hodgson was appointed back then was because no decent manager would have touched us.

The club was in civil war with the owners, they had already come out and said they had little money to spend and we had no Champions League.

So you can crow all day about people wanting your Hiddinks, Mourinhos but the reality was that we were never going to get anyone good enough to replace Benitez under that current state.

At the moment our club is in a much more stable position upstairs (although we have no CL to offer) and I would think we have a much better chanceof bringing in a decent manager at the end of the season.

That is if Kenny and club part ways. If Kenny stays so be it, but the I think if he doesn't learn from his mistakes we are doomed to mid-table oblivion for a number of seasons to come.

And I don't buy into this whole its Kenny or no one else nonsense. Are you guys really saying that there is no other manager out there who can do a better job then Kenny?!? Talk about one f**kin eyed cyclops supporters! 

the away fans made their feelings known yesterday when they loudly chanted dalglish`s name even when blackburn pulled it back to 2-2 and another defeat looked on the cards, it`s the match goers who`ll ultimately have the say wether a manager stays or go`s, hodgsons days were numbered once thousands of empty seats started to appear during saturday afternoon league games.
until that starts to happen speculating about other managers is a waste of time.

Is that the same set of fans who have constantly been booing our poor performances this season?

RED BEERGOGGLES » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:04 am wrote:Liverpool football club would have managers willing to crawl over broken glass for the chance to take the reins at this club ,regardless of the situation.
Hodgson wasn't a leader he certainly wasn't a maverick he was Mr Ordinary ,brought in to nod in the affirmative and conform to the clubs needs with
little fuss .

As for your prediction of mid table obscurity ,that bile might look clever when its spewed onto the pages of some rag with a driven agenda ,but for the
love of God fella you're  supposedly a reds fan 

If you wish to ingest the increasingly  banal diatribe regurgitated by anti red scribes on a offensively consistent basis then you go ahead . I consider
myself far less f ucking malleable .

I agree with you on Hodgson, so I don't really know what point you are trying to make! Do you actually think that I was a fan of his? I hated him from day one and started to wonder how far we had dropped when he came in and started bring in the likes of players like Konchesky to the club.

As for your mid-table obscrurity rant you have gone on. Answer one simple question, if Kenny made the same mistakes he made this season, do you honestly see us improving next? F**K me, sorry I don't subscribe to your cult of Thugee.........Mola Ram! Now before you rip my heart out screaming "Kalima Kalima Kenny is God!" ask yourself why I am being so critical. Do I have some unfounded deep heated hatred for the club I have grown to love and one of its immortals as manager? Or could it be that I see beyond the blind fantastism and am trying to provide some actual debate on why we have been so s**t this season.

The journalists have their own stupid agenda, but it ain't the same as mine sunshine. I want to see us improve and become the force we once were rather then the laughing stocks our club currently is. I don't really care what 'white knight' fantasy you subscribe to, if you think you are a "better" fan then me here is another gold star sticker to stick on your forehead, well done champ go and sit in the corner with ymbadhasidfasf or whatever his name is. Beat your chests hard, proud internet forum warriors, you reign supreme, your world view is gospel.

haha f**king laughable

Eds

Let's have a look at your list in more detail and remember your inital statement was "World Class Respected Manager "

Marcelo Biesla - Currently at Bilbao after being a national manager for over a decade. From Argentina doesn't speak English, won nothing outside of Argentina in club football. His current club was 11th in the table at the weekend. Flavour of the month because they knocked out the Mancs in the Europa league. He is 56 and has been a manager for two decades.

Walter Mazzarri - Currently at Napoli with some wonderful attacking players at his disposal and has done well getting them into the CL. Currently has them 6th in their table. Been a manager since late 90's. Trophies won = 0 . Reportedly going to be the next Inter boss and take Lavezzi with him.

Franceso Guidolin - Udinese currently. Aged 56 and has been a manager since 1989. In that time he has managed over 12 different clubs being sacked from many of them. In that whole time he has also won nothing. But he does currently have Udinese in 4th spot in Serie A .

Juan Ignacio Martinez - currently at Levante. Has managed ten lower league clubs during a 14 year period until given a chance at Levante. Currently has the small club up to 5th in La Liga which is pretty but he very very unproven and definatly a flavour of the month.

Rene Girard - currently doing great at Montepellier and has them top of the table over PSG. He is 58 and been a manager for just over 20 years. Has won nothing also ( a trend it seems ). He is most definately a flavour of the month at a one season wonder club - proven nothing ( the French Alan Pardew )

Ricardo Pinto - who ?

Now onto prob the two decent names you mentioned.

Unai Emery - A very young coach at Valencia who is doing well with them keeping them at the head of the chasing pack. Proven - most definately not , potential - definatly , a risk - massive.

Jurgen Klopp - doing a great job at Dortmund, won the title last season and on his way to winning it again this season. Would take him as manager and he can bring some players with him. Couple of problems - he is winning titles and into CL - would he make the step down to us ? No - why ? Because Chelsea want him and also he is on the Radar of Madrid if Maureen leaves.


So in summary most of those names are not - World Class, or proven , they have all bar one win nothing , they have all bar the last two been managers for a long time. And most crucially most are all flavour of the months at clubs having one good season ( I would call them foriegn Hodgson's ).

To be honest, If I was a manager Id be more interested in joining Liverpool than Chelsea.  At least at Liverpool a manager will be given time (although unfortunately that seems to be changing), FSG will provide funds and the expectations won't be ridiculous.

Compare that to Chelsea.  Win the double in your first season. Good job.  Win nothing next season - sacked 10 minutes after final game of the season.  Win 2 PL titles - Why haven't you won CL.   Struggle at the start of your first season - you probably won't finish it.

eds » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:07 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:16 am wrote:
Who is this world class respected manager we will get if Kenny goes ?

I remember the lengthy discussions that happened when people were asking for Rafa to go.

The question was who would replace him and the answers were generally

Hiddink, Maureen, Rijkaard etc and who did we end up with ? Yes Roy Hodgson a manager who had won nothing. Yet people were still adamant we could attract one of these highly sought after managers. We couldn't and guess what - we still can't now.

You are talking nonsense, the reason why Hodgson was appointed back then was because no decent manager would have touched us.

The club was in civil war with the owners, they had already come out and said they had little money to spend and we had no Champions League.

So you can crow all day about people wanting your Hiddinks, Mourinhos but the reality was that we were never going to get anyone good enough to replace Benitez under that current state.

At the moment our club is in a much more stable position upstairs (although we have no CL to offer) and I would think we have a much better chanceof bringing in a decent manager at the end of the season.

That is if Kenny and club part ways. If Kenny stays so be it, but the I think if he doesn't learn from his mistakes we are doomed to mid-table oblivion for a number of seasons to come.

And I don't buy into this whole its Kenny or no one else nonsense. Are you guys really saying that there is no other manager out there who can do a better job then Kenny?!? Talk about one f**kin eyed cyclops supporters! 

so if we sack Kenny then who should replace him??
throw us a name that is logical, feasible and better than our current manager.
you are stating the obvious problem (team not playing well) but no providing a solution.

The only "proven" coach available that realistically would take us is Rafa and half of the fans seem to hate him so I'm not sure how good that would be.

I'm all for him.