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RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:41 pm wrote:

eds » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:53 am wrote:Doubt it.

The fans are very divided on Dalglish at the moment and whether he should stay on as manager. If the owners replaced him at the end of the season this revolt you speak of would be quashed if they bring in a top notch manager (not the nonsense we had with Hodgson being appointed).

The other thing you missed is that the fans were unanimous in the loathing of the previous owners and their pet puppet they installed, hence the voting "with their feet". If the new manager brings in some quality players to help improve the club and the squad as a whole I don't think you will find many people wanting to join you in banging on the pots and pans for having let Kenny walk.

There's a fair few in the Kop lad ,more than enough to display their displeasure ,like I stated earlier well enough to vent their anger with  FSG .
You honestly believe John Henry would take a course of action that could lead to the consternation of the paying fans ? 

Its no secret John Henry and Tom Werner met with various factions of SOS and RAWK immediately after securing the club ,to ensure that nothing
akin to what happened when Hicks and co were in charge .... I believe they deem any knee jerk reaction would have serious consequences for the
future of this club .

And I am sure there are a fair few in the Kop that are very displeased with our league results this year, the poor signings brought in and Kenny's mis-management of team formations and tactics, so I really don't see what your point is.

As I have already mentioned If Henry and co went and brought in a world-class respected manager to replace Kenny at the end of the season, I really don't know what consternation there would be.

So whatever knee jerk reaction it is that you are going on about on I really don't don't see how you can compare a currently divided fan-base to the last days of the twiddle-dee and twiddle-dum era where EVERY Liverpool fan was united against them (and earlier on in getting rid of Hodgson).

Hence why this thread keeps going and going 

RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:43 pm wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:41 pm wrote:

eds » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:53 am wrote:Doubt it.

The fans are very divided on Dalglish at the moment and whether he should stay on as manager. If the owners replaced him at the end of the season this revolt you speak of would be quashed if they bring in a top notch manager (not the nonsense we had with Hodgson being appointed).

The other thing you missed is that the fans were unanimous in the loathing of the previous owners and their pet puppet they installed, hence the voting "with their feet". If the new manager brings in some quality players to help improve the club and the squad as a whole I don't think you will find many people wanting to join you in banging on the pots and pans for having let Kenny walk.

There's a fair few in the Kop lad ,more than enough to display their displeasure ,like I stated earlier well enough to vent their anger with  FSG .
You honestly believe John Henry would take a course of action that could lead to the consternation of the paying fans ? 

Its no secret John Henry and Tom Werner met with various factions of SOS and RAWK immediately after securing the club ,to ensure that nothing
akin to what happened when Hicks and co were in charge .... I believe they deem any knee jerk reaction would have serious consequences for the
future of this club .

Oh and I have never banged a cooking utensil in my life ,but thank you for your American colloquialism .

The banging of pots and pans to symbolise protest is used throughout the world and isn't isolated to the U.S.    

So if you think:

a) I am American; or perhaps
b) "a clueless American" fan

I think you are wrong on both accounts mate. 

Out of curiosity do you really think we are a better team now than under rafa, even rafa's last season?

Under Rafa we had some awesome players. Under Rafa we also lost those players. Rafas attitude has cost us today. Can you imagine if Rafa swallowed his pride and said to Xabi, "OK, im wrong, I want you to stay" ?

7_Kewell » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:49 pm wrote:mate, we've won just TWO league games this year; that's relegation form. Do you really think Kenny's going to admit defeat and sell his flops for huge losses? It's not going to happen, i predict Kenny backing them again and carrying on the same vein next season, with the same players struggling because, quite frankly, they're not good enough.

I'm fearful we'll be fighting relegation with Kenny in charge next season.

Contrary to what most of the others have been saying, I agree with you. Looks like Kenny is one stubborn son of a b.itch who will stick with all his garbage, stinking expensive signings into next season trying to justify those millions spent on them if he gets to keep his job for another season that is. Then we'll be fighting to finish 4th from bottom not 4th from top instead.

The man is a legend and will always be but he must step down after May to avoid tarnishing this invaluable status which took him 14 seasons to build as player and manager. Aldo is right, Liverpool is in crisis and will be even in deeper crisis if we cannot find a better replacement and don't sell all those Henderson, Carroll, Downing, Adam or at least loan them out to championship sides.

Those of you who are still pro Kenny and say those who want him to leave are plastic fans, let me ask you. If the manager in charge now is anyone else other than Kenny, would you be demanding for him to be sacked right now, just like we all did with Hodgson last season? I think, if you're being honest, you would say yes. Please stop thinking with you hearts but with your brains because Kenny I know is a man we all adore. But IMO he is not the same Kenny who managed us at his first stint. By that I mean he doesn't have it to win the PL anymore. How I know?

In his first tenure, he was very attacking minded and even when we were 3-0 up, the team were still hungry for more goals. Unfortunately for whatever reason, he's not doing that now. His strategy now is not to lose and whenever we're a goal up ( a rare privilege nowadays), we tend to sit back and defend and the opponents will usually equalise.

His justification of trying to whip a dead horse back to life with his Carroll, Henderson, Adam and Downing will prove to be his downfall if not already. One example, Henderson's favoured position is central midfield, yet he stubbornly plays him on the right side of midfield and doing an average job there. Why did he insist on signing mostly British players in the summer? In today's PL, you need to bring in talented foreigners from all over the globe. Manure, City, Arsenal, Chelsea have mostly foreigners while Kenny insisted in buying average overpriced British players. The 3 foreigners that he signed, Suarez, Enrique and Coates didn't cost the club that much and have outshine the expensive British ones. I find this to be very strange because he was the first Liverpool manager to sign foreigners in G.Hysen and R.Rosenthal in 1990. Now he reverted back to signing British, maybe he's still trapped in the 70s and 80s mentality where foreign talents playing in England were a rarity.

FSG have been mum on what their plans for next season are, but I sure hope they will be looking for a better manager who understands the modern game and be funded to sign a right winger, a creative midfielder and 2 more clinical strikers. Newcastle have made a laughing stock out of Liverpool at the moment and have embarrassed Liverpool fans. If Spurs continue to slip, Newcastle will be in CL next season. They never spent millions on players like we did.

eds » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:37 am wrote:The banging of pots and pans to symbolise protest is used throughout the world and isn't isolated to the U.S.   ??? 

So if you think:

a) I am American; or perhaps
b) "a clueless American" fan

I think you are wrong on both accounts mate. 

I don't believe I made any inference about  your place of origin ? I simply stated what I believed to be
an American colloquialism ,so if you wish to carry on believing I assumed you were American,and then
subsequently using more smileys than a born again christian .........please don't let me dissuade you .

eds » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:25 am wrote:And I am sure there are a fair few in the Kop that are very displeased with our league results this year, the poor signings brought in and Kenny's mis-management of team formations and tactics, so I really don't see what your point is.

As I have already mentioned If Henry and co went and brought in a world-class respected manager to replace Kenny at the end of the season, I really don't know what consternation there would be.

So whatever knee jerk reaction it is that you are going on about on I really don't don't see how you can compare a currently divided fan-base to the last days of the twiddle-dee and twiddle-dum era where EVERY Liverpool fan was united against them (and earlier on in getting rid of Hodgson).

Hence why this thread keeps going and going 

My point is that the majority of fans who frequent the Kop will back Dalglish to the hilt ...I have never been more certain about anything .
As for your claims that the fans would willingly accept the owners usurping Dalglish for a "World Class Manager "then we're at complete
odds ,and it would seem evident  that our respective opinions are polar opposites . So I guess we can only agree to disagree ?

RED BEERGOGGLES » Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:59 pm wrote:

eds » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:25 am wrote:And I am sure there are a fair few in the Kop that are very displeased with our league results this year, the poor signings brought in and Kenny's mis-management of team formations and tactics, so I really don't see what your point is.

As I have already mentioned If Henry and co went and brought in a world-class respected manager to replace Kenny at the end of the season, I really don't know what consternation there would be.

So whatever knee jerk reaction it is that you are going on about on I really don't don't see how you can compare a currently divided fan-base to the last days of the twiddle-dee and twiddle-dum era where EVERY Liverpool fan was united against them (and earlier on in getting rid of Hodgson).

Hence why this thread keeps going and going 

My point is that the majority of fans who frequent the Kop will back Dalglish to the hilt ...I have never been more certain about anything .
As for your claims that the fans would willingly accept the owners usurping Dalglish for a "World Class Manager "then we're at complete
odds ,and it would seem evident  that our respective opinions are polar opposites . So I guess we can only agree to disagree ?

So on that basis if Rafa was to go to Citeh and Mancini was available, you wouldn't want Kenny to move upstairs and a man who has just built a team to come in as manager?

Reg » Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:10 am wrote:So on that basis if Rafa was to go to Citeh and Mancini was available, you wouldn't want Kenny to move upstairs and a man who has just built a team to come in as manager?

Short answer Reg ,is no mate .

RED BEERGOGGLES » Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:30 am wrote:

Reg » Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:10 am wrote:So on that basis if Rafa was to go to Citeh and Mancini was available, you wouldn't want Kenny to move upstairs and a man who has just built a team to come in as manager?

Short answer Reg ,is no mate .

NO

Reg » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:10 am wrote:
So on that basis if Rafa was to go to Citeh and Mancini was available, you wouldn't want Kenny to move upstairs and a man who has just built a team to come in as manager?

Built a team  Surely you mean "a man who has just bought an shed load of (admittedly) talented players and is still trying to mould them into a team" ?.

No way would he be successful with us, so NO.

woof woof ! » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:10 pm wrote:

Reg » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:10 am wrote:
So on that basis if Rafa was to go to Citeh and Mancini was available, you wouldn't want Kenny to move upstairs and a man who has just built a team to come in as manager?

Built a team  Surely you mean "a man who has just bought an shed load of (admittedly) talented players and is still trying to mould them into a team" ?.

No way would he be successful with us, so NO.

Ther guy's done a good job, first through the door always has the toughest task to mould a team whether he's flashing the cash or just bringing in 11 x half million players, someone has to take the pieces and mould the team into the finished article - precisely where Kenny is falling down at the mo.

Reg » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:23 am wrote:

woof woof ! » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:10 pm wrote:

Reg » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:10 am wrote:
So on that basis if Rafa was to go to Citeh and Mancini was available, you wouldn't want Kenny to move upstairs and a man who has just built a team to come in as manager?

Built a team  Surely you mean "a man who has just bought an shed load of (admittedly) talented players and is still trying to mould them into a team" ?.

No way would he be successful with us, so NO.

Ther guy's done a good job, first through the door always has the toughest task to mould a team whether he's flashing the cash or just bringing in 11 x half million players, someone has to take the pieces and mould the team into the finished article - precisely where Kenny is falling down at the mo.

Kenny & Comolli had to shift a massive dose of deadwood. Comolli said it was the most amount of players he's ever had to shift from a club - and some of them were pi$$ f.ucking poor Reggy.

You're also comparing Mancini now after being there for a few good years to Kenny's  1st full season, Mancini struggled to get where he is with all the millions spent in his first few seasons - it didn't happen over night for Citeh. Like Citeh, (in Mancini's first season) Kenny needs to build on, with what he's got so comparing apples to oranges, Mancini's x season to Kenny's first is a futile exercise IMO.

eds » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:25 am wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:41 pm wrote:

eds » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:53 am wrote:Doubt it.

The fans are very divided on Dalglish at the moment and whether he should stay on as manager. If the owners replaced him at the end of the season this revolt you speak of would be quashed if they bring in a top notch manager (not the nonsense we had with Hodgson being appointed).

The other thing you missed is that the fans were unanimous in the loathing of the previous owners and their pet puppet they installed, hence the voting "with their feet". If the new manager brings in some quality players to help improve the club and the squad as a whole I don't think you will find many people wanting to join you in banging on the pots and pans for having let Kenny walk.

There's a fair few in the Kop lad ,more than enough to display their displeasure ,like I stated earlier well enough to vent their anger with  FSG .
You honestly believe John Henry would take a course of action that could lead to the consternation of the paying fans ? 

Its no secret John Henry and Tom Werner met with various factions of SOS and RAWK immediately after securing the club ,to ensure that nothing
akin to what happened when Hicks and co were in charge .... I believe they deem any knee jerk reaction would have serious consequences for the
future of this club .

And I am sure there are a fair few in the Kop that are very displeased with our league results this year, the poor signings brought in and Kenny's mis-management of team formations and tactics, so I really don't see what your point is.

As I have already mentioned If Henry and co went and brought in a world-class respected manager to replace Kenny at the end of the season, I really don't know what consternation there would be.

So whatever knee jerk reaction it is that you are going on about on I really don't don't see how you can compare a currently divided fan-base to the last days of the twiddle-dee and twiddle-dum era where EVERY Liverpool fan was united against them (and earlier on in getting rid of Hodgson).

Hence why this thread keeps going and going 

Who is this world class respected manager we will get if Kenny goes ?

I remember the lengthy discussions that happened when people were asking for Rafa to go.

The question was who would replace him and the answers were generally

Hiddink, Maureen, Rijkaard etc and who did we end up with ? Yes Roy Hodgson a manager who had won nothing. Yet people were still adamant we could attract one of these highly sought after managers. We couldn't and guess what - we still can't now.

Absolutely NO Reg, sure he built a team, spending 300m+ on players and in 4 years he hasn't won the league! Good manager but he will never win the league with Man City because of his approach and tactics.

metalhead » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:25 am wrote:Absolutely NO Reg, sure he built a team, spending 300m+ on players and in 4 years he hasn't won the league! Good manager but he will never win the league with Man City because of his approach and tactics.

There you go Reggy, 300+M in four years and still no league title.