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We shouldnt go back but we do need a new manager and its Fenways job to find one.

To be honest I am not sure they are that arsed so long as the fans are happy so Dagger
will stay so long as he is in favour, which he always will be whatever his team produces on the
park.

Fenway need the bottle to make the right decision and disregard fan opinion.

I would hope that Kenny would have the good grace to walk away but once your in the job
its a tough one to quit from particularly with such a fanatical and faithful fan base behind
you.

John Henry knows full well a fan revolt from his paying public would have serious repercussions to him
establishing Liverpool football club as a global brand .

In point of fact the last thing FSG and its corporate sponsors want is a very public and televised  mutiny ,akin to when fans voted with their feet ( during the pantomime that was Hodgsons infamous tenure ) and the attendance dropped alarmingly  Dalglish is staying whether it grieves the fainthearted or not ,the rest of  us will just dig our Peter Storms out 

Doubt it.

The fans are very divided on Dalglish at the moment and whether he should stay on as manager. If the owners replaced him at the end of the season this revolt you speak of would be quashed if they bring in a top notch manager (not the nonsense we had with Hodgson being appointed).

The other thing you missed is that the fans were unanimous in the loathing of the previous owners and their pet puppet they installed, hence the voting "with their feet". If the new manager brings in some quality players to help improve the club and the squad as a whole I don't think you will find many people wanting to join you in banging on the pots and pans for having let Kenny walk.

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I am having problems posting with my silly computer........

[Kukilon]

King Kenny should never be treated in that way but he should go by his own choice.

I didn't even support treating Woy in the way some fans did though I really hated the direction the club was heading in under him as a manager. It's one thing to bitch about it on a forum or in the pub but not in way so the press can have a field day. Vote with your feet and money and don't attend the games if you don't like it.

Getting rid of Twitt and ***** was war though.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Doubt it.

The fans are very divided on Dalglish at the moment and whether he should stay on as manager. If the owners replaced him at the end of the season this revolt you speak of would be quashed if they bring in a top notch manager (not the nonsense we had with Hodgson being appointed).

The other thing you missed is that the fans were unanimous in the loathing of the previous owners and their pet puppet they installed, hence the voting "with their feet". If the new manager brings in some quality players to help improve the club and the squad as a whole I don't think you will find many people wanting to join you in banging on the pots and pans for having let Kenny walk.

There's a fair few in the Kop lad ,more than enough to display their displeasure ,like I stated earlier well enough to vent their anger with  FSG .
You honestly believe John Henry would take a course of action that could lead to the consternation of the paying fans ? 

Its no secret John Henry and Tom Werner met with various factions of SOS and RAWK immediately after securing the club ,to ensure that nothing
akin to what happened when Hicks and co were in charge .... I believe they deem any knee jerk reaction would have serious consequences for the
future of this club .

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Doubt it.

The fans are very divided on Dalglish at the moment and whether he should stay on as manager. If the owners replaced him at the end of the season this revolt you speak of would be quashed if they bring in a top notch manager (not the nonsense we had with Hodgson being appointed).

The other thing you missed is that the fans were unanimous in the loathing of the previous owners and their pet puppet they installed, hence the voting "with their feet". If the new manager brings in some quality players to help improve the club and the squad as a whole I don't think you will find many people wanting to join you in banging on the pots and pans for having let Kenny walk.

There's a fair few in the Kop lad ,more than enough to display their displeasure ,like I stated earlier well enough to vent their anger with  FSG .
You honestly believe John Henry would take a course of action that could lead to the consternation of the paying fans ? 

Its no secret John Henry and Tom Werner met with various factions of SOS and RAWK immediately after securing the club ,to ensure that nothing
akin to what happened when Hicks and co were in charge .... I believe they deem any knee jerk reaction would have serious consequences for the
future of this club .

Oh and I have never banged a cooking utensil in my life ,but thank you for your American colloquialism .

[KennyisGod....still]

And so I guess everythin comes down to should we change our ways and become no different to chelsea, man city, west ham (no guaranteed success there I note...) and newcastle and change the manager evry 20 minutes? Its ridiculous if only because it means 'another 5 yr plan' before anythin comes to fruition.

I make no secret of my holdin Kenny as high as I possibly can, and if I can find my post from before he took the job it'd show my fears for his status being attacked by people with no respect for past glory, pride or commitment to the cause. The rebuild was never gonna be a 5 minute wonder, do some folk forget where we were at the beginnin of January 2011? But he was expected to bring the title inside 18 months? Or make us a top 4 side again at the very least? Wake up ffs - over the last few years we have slipped alarmingly, we are no better than a mid-table side, regardless of our history. We have no RIGHT to win any game, even finals at wembley against lower league sides. We'd all love to believe we do, but it aint so. We have become an ordinary side - but thats not down to the current regime. Instead, this season we've tended towards better football with undoubtedly inferior finishin (somethin I hope the boss puts right either with some serious coachin or sellin one or two and buyin someone genuinely hungry for success in the summer) in the majority of games. Its not purely bad luck that we've struck the woodwork so often, but its not exactly been a help. Just as before this season started, 'keepers have come to Anfield and played their hearts out and we aint been able to get past them. Not for the want of tryin! Anyone that could take the passion away and try watchin as a neutral would appreciate the seasons football, which aint a place we've been in - other than the last but one season under Rafa - for a long time. Wanna rip that up and start again? After a season of beddin in Downin, Hendo, Adam, Enrique, Coates (not so much, bit still new), and obviously the main attraction for criticism Carroll do we rip the team apart and begin all over?

I reckon one or two of the above may well leave over the summer, tho I also think Carroll's 'problems' at St James's may help him realise that ships sailed and its time to start properly which could be the best thing thats happened to him in many a yr. Kenny's started takin a look at Shelvey, played Spearin a fair bit, introduced Sterlin to the first team.... and next season we get Lucas back and hopefully keep the likes of Gerrard and Agger free of serious injury. Put Skrtel's lift in performance into the mix, the overall improvement at the back and what looks like Suarez not desperate to leave and suddenly the Carlin Cup and an FA Cup semi aint so bad as buildin blocks.

Or we can tell the legend that is Kenny Dalglish to move over, you aint wanted no more in this generation of success now or f'uk off and have someone come in and turn it all over.

Some of you ever look at the words in our anthem?

[RedAnt]

And so I guess everythin comes down to should we change our ways and become no different to chelsea, man city, west ham (no guaranteed success there I note...) and newcastle and change the manager evry 20 minutes? Its ridiculous if only because it means 'another 5 yr plan' before anythin comes to fruition.

I make no secret of my holdin Kenny as high as I possibly can, and if I can find my post from before he took the job it'd show my fears for his status being attacked by people with no respect for past glory, pride or commitment to the cause. The rebuild was never gonna be a 5 minute wonder, do some folk forget where we were at the beginnin of January 2011? But he was expected to bring the title inside 18 months? Or make us a top 4 side again at the very least? Wake up ffs - over the last few years we have slipped alarmingly, we are no better than a mid-table side, regardless of our history. We have no RIGHT to win any game, even finals at wembley against lower league sides. We'd all love to believe we do, but it aint so. We have become an ordinary side - but thats not down to the current regime. Instead, this season we've tended towards better football with undoubtedly inferior finishin (somethin I hope the boss puts right either with some serious coachin or sellin one or two and buyin someone genuinely hungry for success in the summer) in the majority of games. Its not purely bad luck that we've struck the woodwork so often, but its not exactly been a help. Just as before this season started, 'keepers have come to Anfield and played their hearts out and we aint been able to get past them. Not for the want of tryin! Anyone that could take the passion away and try watchin as a neutral would appreciate the seasons football, which aint a place we've been in - other than the last but one season under Rafa - for a long time. Wanna rip that up and start again? After a season of beddin in Downin, Hendo, Adam, Enrique, Coates (not so much, bit still new), and obviously the main attraction for criticism Carroll do we rip the team apart and begin all over?

I reckon one or two of the above may well leave over the summer, tho I also think Carroll's 'problems' at St James's may help him realise that ships sailed and its time to start properly which could be the best thing thats happened to him in many a yr. Kenny's started takin a look at Shelvey, played Spearin a fair bit, introduced Sterlin to the first team.... and next season we get Lucas back and hopefully keep the likes of Gerrard and Agger free of serious injury. Put Skrtel's lift in performance into the mix, the overall improvement at the back and what looks like Suarez not desperate to leave and suddenly the Carlin Cup and an FA Cup semi aint so bad as buildin blocks.

Or we can tell the legend that is Kenny Dalglish to move over, you aint wanted no more in this generation of success now or f'uk off and have someone come in and turn it all over.

Some of you ever look at the words in our anthem?

Spot on, mate.

[7_Kewell]

mate, we've won just TWO league games this year; that's relegation form. Do you really think Kenny's going to admit defeat and sell his flops for huge losses? It's not going to happen, i predict Kenny backing them again and carrying on the same vein next season, with the same players struggling because, quite frankly, they're not good enough.

I'm fearful we'll be fighting relegation with Kenny in charge next season.

[banana(real one)]

And so I guess everythin comes down to should we change our ways and become no different to chelsea, man city, west ham (no guaranteed success there I note...) and newcastle and change the manager evry 20 minutes? Its ridiculous if only because it means 'another 5 yr plan' before anythin comes to fruition.

I make no secret of my holdin Kenny as high as I possibly can, and if I can find my post from before he took the job it'd show my fears for his status being attacked by people with no respect for past glory, pride or commitment to the cause. The rebuild was never gonna be a 5 minute wonder, do some folk forget where we were at the beginnin of January 2011? But he was expected to bring the title inside 18 months? Or make us a top 4 side again at the very least? Wake up ffs - over the last few years we have slipped alarmingly, we are no better than a mid-table side, regardless of our history. We have no RIGHT to win any game, even finals at wembley against lower league sides. We'd all love to believe we do, but it aint so. We have become an ordinary side - but thats not down to the current regime. Instead, this season we've tended towards better football with undoubtedly inferior finishin (somethin I hope the boss puts right either with some serious coachin or sellin one or two and buyin someone genuinely hungry for success in the summer) in the majority of games. Its not purely bad luck that we've struck the woodwork so often, but its not exactly been a help. Just as before this season started, 'keepers have come to Anfield and played their hearts out and we aint been able to get past them. Not for the want of tryin! Anyone that could take the passion away and try watchin as a neutral would appreciate the seasons football, which aint a place we've been in - other than the last but one season under Rafa - for a long time. Wanna rip that up and start again? After a season of beddin in Downin, Hendo, Adam, Enrique, Coates (not so much, bit still new), and obviously the main attraction for criticism Carroll do we rip the team apart and begin all over?

I reckon one or two of the above may well leave over the summer, tho I also think Carroll's 'problems' at St James's may help him realise that ships sailed and its time to start properly which could be the best thing thats happened to him in many a yr. Kenny's started takin a look at Shelvey, played Spearin a fair bit, introduced Sterlin to the first team.... and next season we get Lucas back and hopefully keep the likes of Gerrard and Agger free of serious injury. Put Skrtel's lift in performance into the mix, the overall improvement at the back and what looks like Suarez not desperate to leave and suddenly the Carlin Cup and an FA Cup semi aint so bad as buildin blocks.

Or we can tell the legend that is Kenny Dalglish to move over, you aint wanted no more in this generation of success now or f'uk off and have someone come in and turn it all over.

Some of you ever look at the words in our anthem?

So you call this a rebuild? I call it a collapse in quality. A rebuild should generate some sort of progress shouldn't it? Any business not appointing leaders or managers on a professional arms lenght basis will risk promoting friends or relatives instead of qualified professionals and the results from such a hiring process can only be a big failure.

So Kenny taking on the job bacause he is a friend or a former big name players - clearly lacking the skills and tactical awareness and the understanding of modern game football has been disastrous for the club and owners. New negative records are piling up every single week.

[7_Kewell]

And so I guess everythin comes down to should we change our ways and become no different to chelsea, man city, west ham (no guaranteed success there I note...) and newcastle and change the manager evry 20 minutes? Its ridiculous if only because it means 'another 5 yr plan' before anythin comes to fruition.

I make no secret of my holdin Kenny as high as I possibly can, and if I can find my post from before he took the job it'd show my fears for his status being attacked by people with no respect for past glory, pride or commitment to the cause. The rebuild was never gonna be a 5 minute wonder, do some folk forget where we were at the beginnin of January 2011? But he was expected to bring the title inside 18 months? Or make us a top 4 side again at the very least? Wake up ffs - over the last few years we have slipped alarmingly, we are no better than a mid-table side, regardless of our history. We have no RIGHT to win any game, even finals at wembley against lower league sides. We'd all love to believe we do, but it aint so. We have become an ordinary side - but thats not down to the current regime. Instead, this season we've tended towards better football with undoubtedly inferior finishin (somethin I hope the boss puts right either with some serious coachin or sellin one or two and buyin someone genuinely hungry for success in the summer) in the majority of games. Its not purely bad luck that we've struck the woodwork so often, but its not exactly been a help. Just as before this season started, 'keepers have come to Anfield and played their hearts out and we aint been able to get past them. Not for the want of tryin! Anyone that could take the passion away and try watchin as a neutral would appreciate the seasons football, which aint a place we've been in - other than the last but one season under Rafa - for a long time. Wanna rip that up and start again? After a season of beddin in Downin, Hendo, Adam, Enrique, Coates (not so much, bit still new), and obviously the main attraction for criticism Carroll do we rip the team apart and begin all over?

I reckon one or two of the above may well leave over the summer, tho I also think Carroll's 'problems' at St James's may help him realise that ships sailed and its time to start properly which could be the best thing thats happened to him in many a yr. Kenny's started takin a look at Shelvey, played Spearin a fair bit, introduced Sterlin to the first team.... and next season we get Lucas back and hopefully keep the likes of Gerrard and Agger free of serious injury. Put Skrtel's lift in performance into the mix, the overall improvement at the back and what looks like Suarez not desperate to leave and suddenly the Carlin Cup and an FA Cup semi aint so bad as buildin blocks.

Or we can tell the legend that is Kenny Dalglish to move over, you aint wanted no more in this generation of success now or f'uk off and have someone come in and turn it all over.

Some of you ever look at the words in our anthem?

So you call this a rebuild? I call it a collapse in quality. A rebuild should generate some sort of progress shouldn't it? Any business not appointing leaders or managers on a professional arms lenght basis will risk promoting friends or relatives instead of qualified professionals and the results from such a hiring process can only be a big failure.

So Kenny taking on the job bacause he is a friend or a former big name players - clearly lacking the skills and tactical awareness and the understanding of modern game football has been disastrous for the club and owners. New negative records are piling up every single week.

good post, with the dash of realism that many refuse to accept.

The only think Kenny is rebuilding is his awful Newcastle team from the late 1990s.

[red_guy]

There's no need of arguing among ourselves whether Kenny should stay or not. As for me, I'm sticking with Kenny and if any of you lads have  different opinions about that,all I can say is I respect your opinion. What we should do right now as fans/supporters is giving our full support to the team (manager,squad etc)  until the season ends. After that, we shall wait and see what FSG plans for the the team  next season. YNWA!

[SouthCoastShankly]

Over 70% of us want him to stay. That makes me smile at least that our club isn't being infected by as many plastic fans as I first thought.

[KennyisGod....still]

Strangely I haven't seen a single sensible option to Kenny, bearin in mind where we are, those above us with potential for managerial positions and the fact that inside 3 seasons we've got rid of Rafa, Hodgson and potentially Kenny. Do we honestly believe our history is gonna get us managers of the ilk of Mourinho, Hiddink, Guardiola? Or would we rather accept Bruce, Hughes, Ince et al?? Really? Gimme a suggestion that aint pie in the sky. Please.

And show sense as you do it.

[RedAnt]

Strangely I haven't seen a single sensible option to Kenny, bearin in mind where we are, those above us with potential for managerial positions and the fact that inside 3 seasons we've got rid of Rafa, Hodgson and potentially Kenny. Do we honestly believe our history is gonna get us managers of the ilk of Mourinho, Hiddink, Guardiola? Or would we rather accept Bruce, Hughes, Ince et al?? Really? Gimme a suggestion that aint pie in the sky. Please.

And show sense as you do it.

There really is no other option. Kenny Dalglish is a legend, and despite what some may think, he is Liverpool through and through. The noobs who don't remember him as player and/or manager are the one's calling for his head, mostly. I remember so many fantastic games involving Dalglish. The man was and still is pure class. He's struggling this year, as we all are but as they say..form is temporary, class is permanent. It really angers me when the newcomers start spouting their 'wisdom' all over the shop. They ain't fit to tie Kenny's shoes. One newcomer has even claimed Kenny will be "laughing his way to the bank" as he sends his beloved Liverpool spiralling into irreversible debt, destroying us for all time. If only they realised that it's 'fans' like them that are ruining our club.

[heimdall]

Heimdall you're exaggerating thru your *****, don't go on, its the kind of cr@p the press and other clubs' fans pick up on and only attracts poor publicity.

Exaggerating how?