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We are all supporters of LFC not supporters of KD. Dalglish did come back for the Blackburn and Newcastle sides managing them against us, remember?  He is also to blame for the current disastrous form and there are no promising signs that he can bring back the glory days. And with that being the case, yes, he should go if FSG can find a better replacement and not replace him for the sake of it with another Hodgson and repeat all those horrors shows again and again every week.

Reasons why I don't think he will be here for long are, he signed all those expensive garbage players and they are now turning against him showing poor management skills. It is unlikely FSG will trust him with another 120 million this summer after what happened last time. He is clueless against oppositions who came to Anfield with a stubborn defence aiming to nick a win or a draw.

Commolli should be sacked as well, he is also to blame for all those sh.it signings.

I love Kenny to death (and I still do) because of what he has accomplished here as a player and first stint as manager and I had high hopes he would repeat those successes of his first stint again but we're not only nowhere near it, we've regressed to relegation form. It is time to put an end to sentiments and use our brains and not our hearts to think. If he can't produce the results and it is obvious not only he hasn't but failed miserably big time, then he should go and and hope FSG can get someone better to manage. This is like Microsoft sacking Bill Gates, but this dirty work has to be done for the betterment of the club.

heimdall » Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:37 pm wrote:Seems to be most sensible fans are turning against kenny, or at least they are turning against his performance as a manager. Everyone on this forum is a passionate supporter of Liverpool but some choose to wallow in sentimentality whilst others are more realistic and dare I say it ambitious. This I'm a better fan and f*ck off and support another team is completely pathetic and does nothing to foster sensible debate.

Why do  you constantly contradict yourself in the majority of your posts ? Its descriptions such as the one bolded that really defines what type of supporter
you actually are ....In fact  do us all a favour and read through your posts and the kind of terminologies you regularly use.

BTW Nowhere in my post did I declare myself a better fan ,just a more patient one .

alwayslfc » Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:11 pm wrote:We are all supporters of LFC not supporters of KD. Dalglish did come back for the Blackburn and Newcastle sides managing them against us, remember?  He is also to blame for the current disastrous form and there are no promising signs that he can bring back the glory days. And with that being the case, yes, he should go if FSG can find a better replacement and not replace him for the sake of it with another Hodgson and repeat all those horrors shows again and again every week.

Reasons why I don't think he will be here for long are, he signed all those expensive garbage players and they are now turning against him showing poor management skills. It is unlikely FSG will trust him with another 120 million this summer after what happened last time. He is clueless against oppositions who came to Anfield with a stubborn defence aiming to nick a win or a draw.

Commolli should be sacked as well, he is also to blame for all those sh.it signings.

I love Kenny to death (and I still do) because of what he has accomplished here as a player and first stint as manager and I had high hopes he would repeat those successes of his first stint again but we're not only nowhere near it, we've regressed to relegation form. It is time to put an end to sentiments and use our brains and not our hearts to think. If he can't produce the results and it is obvious not only he hasn't but failed miserably big time, then he should go and and hope FSG can get someone better to manage. This is like Microsoft sacking Bill Gates, but this dirty work has to be done for the betterment of the club.

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alwayslfc » Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:11 pm wrote:We are all supporters of LFC not supporters of KD. Dalglish did come back for the Blackburn and Newcastle sides managing them against us, remember?  He is also to blame for the current disastrous form and there are no promising signs that he can bring back the glory days. And with that being the case, yes, he should go if FSG can find a better replacement and not replace him for the sake of it with another Hodgson and repeat all those horrors shows again and again every week.

Reasons why I don't think he will be here for long are, he signed all those expensive garbage players and they are now turning against him showing poor management skills. It is unlikely FSG will trust him with another 120 million this summer after what happened last time. He is clueless against oppositions who came to Anfield with a stubborn defence aiming to nick a win or a draw.

Commolli should be sacked as well, he is also to blame for all those sh.it signings.

I love Kenny to death (and I still do) because of what he has accomplished here as a player and first stint as manager and I had high hopes he would repeat those successes of his first stint again but we're not only nowhere near it, we've regressed to relegation form. It is time to put an end to sentiments and use our brains and not our hearts to think. If he can't produce the results and it is obvious not only he hasn't but failed miserably big time, then he should go and and hope FSG can get someone better to manage. This is like Microsoft sacking Bill Gates, but this dirty work has to be done for the betterment of the club.

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Hearing the post match interview of Alan Pardew after their win over Swansea (which sees them level with Chelsea and 2 points away from Champions League place). "You can see Cisse is a top player, that's why he cost nearly 10 million quid to get"

sigh.

We need whoever signs people for Newcastle, they have an actual eye for talent unlike Damien Comolli.

kartiek » Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:36 pm wrote:Hearing the post match interview of Alan Pardew after their win over Swansea (which sees them level with Chelsea and 2 points away from Champions League place). "You can see Cisse is a top player, that's why he cost nearly 10 million quid to get"

sigh.

We need whoever signs people for Newcastle, they have an actual eye for talent unlike Damien Comolli.

So Cisse is already a good player after 10 games for Newcastle ?

alwayslfc » Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:11 pm wrote:We are all supporters of LFC not supporters of KD. Dalglish did come back for the Blackburn and Newcastle sides managing them against us, remember?  He is also to blame for the current disastrous form and there are no promising signs that he can bring back the glory days. And with that being the case, yes, he should go if FSG can find a better replacement and not replace him for the sake of it with another Hodgson and repeat all those horrors shows again and again every week.

Reasons why I don't think he will be here for long are, he signed all those expensive garbage players and they are now turning against him showing poor management skills. It is unlikely FSG will trust him with another 120 million this summer after what happened last time. He is clueless against oppositions who came to Anfield with a stubborn defence aiming to nick a win or a draw.

Commolli should be sacked as well, he is also to blame for all those sh.it signings.

I love Kenny to death (and I still do) because of what he has accomplished here as a player and first stint as manager and I had high hopes he would repeat those successes of his first stint again but we're not only nowhere near it, we've regressed to relegation form. It is time to put an end to sentiments and use our brains and not our hearts to think. If he can't produce the results and it is obvious not only he hasn't but failed miserably big time, then he should go and and hope FSG can get someone better to manage. This is like Microsoft sacking Bill Gates, but this dirty work has to be done for the betterment of the club.

I think Kenny's 15 years away from the Premier League (and management) has caught up with him. The English game (the old basic 4-4-2, teams dominated with british players) has changed exponentially since then. Its a different league. The % of british players in the league has nosedived since then, foreign influx has increased the standard. The chase for 4th has also transformed the game.. 20 years ago if you finished 3rd or 8th it was the same.. nowadays its a different story and the need to finish top 4 and not get left behind is nigh on imperative.

He has displayed the two things that were the norm 15 years ago... 4-4-2 and a team with british players. Just as the standard of the league has improved due to foreigners so too has coaching.. its far more tactical now than just 15 years ago. After they won the league with 4-4-2 and made up of midfielders Sherwood, Ripley, Wilcox, Mark Atkins (played 34 matches), Batty,...  Kenny's Blackburn team played in Europe the following season and got dismantled. These british players were good enough to win the domestic league then (before the foreign influx), imagine that group up against any quality side in Europe... they would get taken apart (as they did).

A team of Charlie Adam (better than Atkins), Henderson (better than Sherwood), Downing (better than Ripley).. 15-20 years ago we would have been ok, and playing 4-4-2 (as every team did) we would also have been ok... the game has changed and Kenny (due to absence) hasn't changed with it. Signing Carroll smacks of Chris Sutton (a much better player).. its very very basic methods. Whiskey nose aint the same manager he was 15 years ago... he has changed with the game.

Fair point but if Kenny is responsible for buying the players, deciding on the formation and getting the tactics right what is Comolli, Clarke and Keane doing ?

Kenny might have been away from management for years but he's not been far away from the game and that's why he brought in what supposed to have been a couple of top coaches, in Clarke and Kean.

At times this season we have played well and beaten all the top teams, other times we have looked clueless but some of our leading players are getting older, we've brought in 6 or 7 new players and the injuries have exposed our lack in depth.

Let's see if FSG back us in the summer with 2 or 3 top quality players and then go on to support us financially over the coming years, this, support and stability within the club will give us our best chance of getting to the top again.

Benny The Noon » Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:48 pm wrote:

kartiek » Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:36 pm wrote:Hearing the post match interview of Alan Pardew after their win over Swansea (which sees them level with Chelsea and 2 points away from Champions League place). "You can see Cisse is a top player, that's why he cost nearly 10 million quid to get"

sigh.

We need whoever signs people for Newcastle, they have an actual eye for talent unlike Damien Comolli.

So Cisse is already a good player after 10 games for Newcastle ?

Apparently Andy Carroll was worldclass after scoring the same amount of goals for newcastle over twice the number of games.

I was in two minds about Kenny taking over again, part of me wanted him to be the one to bring the glory days back yet part of me was worried about the thought of his legendary status being buried and dare I say forgotten under the groans of discontent if he failed to bring success.

The big thing for me is how much football has changed since he was last involved with more teams now being involved in the so called "top four" ,gone are the days when our success and sometimes even the privilege to pull on our famous red shirt were enough to entice the best players to our club. Players today want to walk in to a team playing Champions League football instead of contributing to a team trying to qualify for the same competition the rest are mercenaries looking for the biggest wages ( two things which we can not offer ). The fees Kenny has forked out are playing a big part in the discontent being shown on message boards and phone ins as are the way those over valued players have performed. Just like any other manager he is going to make mistakes in the transfer market it just so happens that ( to some) all of his are high value mistakes which as we all know makes him an instant target for his friends in the media  I am sick of hearing how great Pardew is because of what he has achieved with Newcastle this season, so he took a gamble on Baa a player with a dodgy medical history and it paid off, then he buys Cisse and he turns out to be one of the signings of the season when with a little bit of bad luck Baa could have broke down and never kicked a ball and Cisse could have been Diouf, funny old game this football.

As for Kenny's signings so far...

I never really saw much of Henderson when he was playing for Sunderland, I don't recall him ever jumping out as being a promising young player but the price was set and we paid it. Adam looked class when he was at Blackpool and I thought the fee was a reasonable price ( Whiskey nose himself once said his corners alone are worth 10 million ! ) £10 seems over priced on the set pieces I have seen him deliver so far. Andy looked the part at Newcastle, terrifying defenders, strong and powerful in the air,in hindsight never in a million years worth what we paid. Downing made sense once we got Andy, one of the best crossers of a ball in the Prem ( after Young who of course went somewhere else ! ) but then we come back to that word hindsight again.

Henderson apart I was made up with the other 3 signings and never for one minute thought they would contribute in to making us worse. On paper and regardless of what they cost those three players should have taken us quite a few steps further towards the top of the table.

Give Kenny the remainder of his contract to see where he takes us.

RED BEERGOGGLES » Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:14 pm wrote:

heimdall » Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:37 pm wrote:Seems to be most sensible fans are turning against kenny, or at least they are turning against his performance as a manager. Everyone on this forum is a passionate supporter of Liverpool but some choose to wallow in sentimentality whilst others are more realistic and dare I say it ambitious. This I'm a better fan and f*ck off and support another team is completely pathetic and does nothing to foster sensible debate.

Why do  you constantly contradict yourself in the majority of your posts ? Its descriptions such as the one bolded that really defines what type of supporter
you actually are ....In fact  do us all a favour and read through your posts and the kind of terminologies you regularly use.

BTW Nowhere in my post did I declare myself a better fan ,just a more patient one .

He's one big talking contradiction, is this Heimy. He certainly gets the attention though because of it.

Kenny Kan » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:50 pm wrote:He's one big talking contradiction, is this Heimy. He certainly gets the attention though because of it.

The quip about fans having to be patient in terms of winning the league directly after the club
supposedly sack Dalglish was comedy gold, or in his case a wet pillow 

RED BEERGOGGLES » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:39 pm wrote:

Kenny Kan » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:50 pm wrote:He's one big talking contradiction, is this Heimy. He certainly gets the attention though because of it.

The quip about fans having to be patient in terms of winning the league directly after the club
supposedly sack Dalglish was comedy gold, or in his case a wet pillow 

Yes, it appears his definition of patience is behind a utopian manager who doesn't have blips in form, once he does his patience doesn't extend beyond this and MUST be ousted at the onset of poor form. Patience my @rse.

destro » Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:19 pm wrote:I was in two minds about Kenny taking over again, part of me wanted him to be the one to bring the glory days back yet part of me was worried about the thought of his legendary status being buried and dare I say forgotten under the groans of discontent if he failed to bring success.

The big thing for me is how much football has changed since he was last involved with more teams now being involved in the so called "top four" ,gone are the days when our success and sometimes even the privilege to pull on our famous red shirt were enough to entice the best players to our club. Players today want to walk in to a team playing Champions League football instead of contributing to a team trying to qualify for the same competition the rest are mercenaries looking for the biggest wages ( two things which we can not offer ). The fees Kenny has forked out are playing a big part in the discontent being shown on message boards and phone ins as are the way those over valued players have performed. Just like any other manager he is going to make mistakes in the transfer market it just so happens that ( to some) all of his are high value mistakes which as we all know makes him an instant target for his friends in the media  I am sick of hearing how great Pardew is because of what he has achieved with Newcastle this season, so he took a gamble on Baa a player with a dodgy medical history and it paid off, then he buys Cisse and he turns out to be one of the signings of the season when with a little bit of bad luck Baa could have broke down and never kicked a ball and Cisse could have been Diouf, funny old game this football.

As for Kenny's signings so far...

I never really saw much of Henderson when he was playing for Sunderland, I don't recall him ever jumping out as being a promising young player but the price was set and we paid it. Adam looked class when he was at Blackpool and I thought the fee was a reasonable price ( Whiskey nose himself once said his corners alone are worth 10 million ! ) £10 seems over priced on the set pieces I have seen him deliver so far. Andy looked the part at Newcastle, terrifying defenders, strong and powerful in the air,in hindsight never in a million years worth what we paid. Downing made sense once we got Andy, one of the best crossers of a ball in the Prem ( after Young who of course went somewhere else ! ) but then we come back to that word hindsight again.

Henderson apart I was made up with the other 3 signings and never for one minute thought they would contribute in to making us worse. On paper and regardless of what they cost those three players should have taken us quite a few steps further towards the top of the table.

Give Kenny the remainder of his contract to see where he takes us.

good sensible post. I still think we are in safe hands with Kenny, saw a website who named Kenny most likely successors : 1) Steve clark (only logical choice) and others) AVB, Rafa, Swansea's manager (illogical in my books)
Looking at our options, Kenny is stil the best available.

Downing was AS player of the season for 1 or 2 seasons, Adam was the star of Blackpool, Hendo at 16m was an ok transfer considering Manyoo paid the same amount for Phil Jones. Carroll was a big bet, a panic buy and hopefully we can learn from that in the future.

we played well most of the season, created chance but lacking a killer instinct, hit the post most and maybe losing the benefit of doubt from refs given the outburst from Kenny on the FA. He was protecting one of us in Suarez so i cant blame him.
Sometimes you feel sorry for the club on the decisions by ref. manyoo vs chelskit, 3-0 down, manyoo got 2 soft penalties. and vs QPR, they got a soft penalty from A.Yougn who was offside and defender got sent off. the list goes on.
i really feel hard done by the refs and the posts this season. next season, we be a force. believe in.

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