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The signing of Carroll was the most bizarre transfer that i can remember. Everyone gasped in disbelief at that one. Normally when you sign a new player there is an excitement, an anticipation, but there was none of that with this signing. Over a year on and we are still feeling the effects of it. It cannot continue as we need to start next season properly.

D___C wrote:Hope Kenny is watching Athletic Bilbao take Man U to the cleaners. Spanish players, such as Javi Martinez, are on a different planet to English players.

Kenny's methods, tactics, motivation, formation etc. are all good, his English signings are god awful.

England get dismantled every 2 years at major tournaments, Kenny signing players who aren't even good enough to get into such teams beggers belief.

Thought the same thing. Bilbao's passing, touch and positional play was embarrassingly better than a side considered to be the second best in England. We get soooo excited by the premier leagues sky marketing, supporters and managers believe that English players are better than they actually are.  Stick any of Adam, Henderson or Carroll in the Bilbao side and they would have looked like cripples.

Rooney is the white Pele apparently...

I just noticed from looking at older vide clips that players in the EPL looks quite a lot fatter today than they did around 5-7 years ago. Not sure it means anything but is the conditioning to relaxed today?

It's amazing how easy Athletic Club destroyed Manure. Pass and move and not letting the opposition keep the ball for very long. So hard to do anything if you haven't had the ball for 5 minutes and then you suddenly get a chance. Their fans made them proud also.

I have always had a sweet eye for them in Spain. Just love the way they ignore the rest of the world.... ok you can play your kind of football and we will only line up people from Basque region. It's like deciding that no player outside of Merseyside could ever play for LFC. It's sort of been relaxed now so people that have been brought up by the club since their younger years can play for them. It's also owned by it's fans. They are loved by many and hated by many... a little bit like us.

Kenny's blunder was he signed too many average over priced British players and are now paying for it by not qualifying for CL. Forget about all those hype by our players that we can still qualify, that is just politicians' talk. At this stage, how can you catch up with a resurgent Arsenal who are 10 pts ahead of you?  Why did he sign those duds, I don't know. He should have concentrated on foreign players in Europe, Africa, South America or even Asia if he couldn't find his man/men.

I've come to the new conclusion that he shouldn't be sacked at end of this season but let him continue for another season and see if there are any promising signs of future success, if not, then he should go the way of AVB and no time for sentiments. But I would love to see him repeat the successes of his first spell all over again and be with us for the next 10 years because of who he is. But this is a results based industry, if you can't perform given the time and money, then it's time for you to either resign or the owner to ask you to leave.

We just need a creative midfielder in the center of the park and we need a striker who is clinical in front of goal.

Our defence has been very good this season, we have the second best defensive record in the league, behind Manchester City. Where we have failed is in converting our chances which stands at a disappointing 9%. No wonder we're in 7th place when we've scored the same number of goals as West Brom, Swansea and Wolves.

We're creating a plethora of chances in matches, in the match against Arsenal we had 12 shots, only 4 were on target and only one chance was converted which was an own goal. This is why we're dropping points, this is what needs to be addressed in the summer. Luis Suarez, Andy Carroll and the rest of our attackers are not doing enough in front of goal. We can be thankful that Martin Skrtel and co are so solid this season, hell Martin Skrtel is one goal behind Andy Carroll.

If our squad had consistently converted a majority of our chances we'd be well within a top four finish, so I disagree with you alwayslfc when you say we're not good enough - we're just not clinical enough in front of goal and if this changes then we'll start climbing up the league table.

Boxscarf wrote:We just need a creative midfielder in the center of the park and we need a striker who is clinical in front of goal.

Our defence has been very good this season, we have the second best defensive record in the league, behind Manchester City. Where we have failed is in converting our chances which stands at a disappointing 9%. No wonder we're in 7th place when we've scored the same number of goals as West Brom, Swansea and Wolves.

We're creating a plethora of chances in matches, in the match against Arsenal we had 12 shots, only 4 were on target and only one chance was converted which was an own goal. This is why we're dropping points, this is what needs to be addressed in the summer. Luis Suarez, Andy Carroll and the rest of our attackers are not doing enough in front of goal. We can be thankful that Martin Skrtel and co are so solid this season, hell Martin Skrtel is one goal behind Andy Carroll.

If our squad had consistently converted a majority of our chances we'd be well within a top four finish, so I disagree with you alwayslfc when you say we're not good enough - we're just not clinical enough in front of goal and if this changes then we'll start climbing up the league table.

at least this post is a bit more balanced instead of the usual `jordan henderson and andy carroll are cr@p on fifa 09` type of thing.
we are not the finished article but we are not as bad as some people are trying to make out either, we beat chelsea twice this season both times at stamford bridge, we beat city at eastlands, united at anfield, arsenal at the emirates and beat newcastle at home and everton at goodison.
in 90% of the games we have played we have been the better side and have had good chances to win the games.
as you say mate we have just not been clinical enough in front of goal but that doesnt mean we are hopeless, there`s a lot to build on.

It seems there is an ever increasing minority of Liverpool supporters who like to pick faults in everything and generally pull the mood down into the gutter, that's probably what they're like in all aspects of life though, so I don't let it get to me.

There's a lot to be happy about this season, we're playing good football, we're hard to break down and we've just ended a six year trophyless draught and we're still in the hunt for an FA cup triumph. Some supporters need to realise where we were a year and a half ago and where we are today and how much progress has been made. Kenny is unfortunate to have come in at a time where Mancini's Manchester City are really pushing on and Harry's Spurs have also grown into a fantastic team, arguably the finest attacking team in the league this season. I'll probably get accused of making up excuses for Dalglish, but I believe in giving a manager time, Kenny hasn't had enough time. I've always been proud of this club's approach with managers and how they'll back the manager to the hilt over a period of time. I hope this doesn't change anytime soon, because it will be embarrassing if this club follows the route that Chelsea and Real Madrid take, sacking managers willy, f*cking nilly!

If Luis Suarez (the main culprit of wasted chances), Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing & co start converting more chances then points will start to accumulate in greater numbers. Even Robin Van Perise said in the aftermath of our loss last weekend that Arsenal were fortunate enough not to have been 4-1 down at half-time. That says it all and the fact that we created 39 chances, 19 were on target and only 2 were converted. It's shame that we haven't got an inform Torres on our books, he'd have a field day with such chances being made.

I've come to the new conclusion that he shouldn't be sacked at end of this season but let him continue for another season


thats mighty nice of you mate

Boxscarf wrote:It seems there is an ever increasing minority of Liverpool supporters who like to pick faults in everything and generally pull the mood down into the gutter, that's probably what they're like in all aspects of life though, so I don't let it get to me.

There's a lot to be happy about this season, we're playing good football, we're hard to break down and we've just ended a six year trophyless draught and we're still in the hunt for an FA cup triumph. Some supporters need to realise where we were a year and a half ago and where we are today and how much progress has been made. Kenny is unfortunate to have come in at a time where Mancini's Manchester City are really pushing on and Harry's Spurs have also grown into a fantastic team, arguably the finest attacking team in the league this season. I'll probably get accused of making up excuses for Dalglish, but I believe in giving a manager time, Kenny hasn't had enough time. I've always been proud of this club's approach with managers and how they'll back the manager to the hilt over a period of time. I hope this doesn't change anytime soon, because it will be embarrassing if this club follows the route that Chelsea and Real Madrid take, sacking managers willy, f*cking nilly!

If Luis Suarez (the main culprit of wasted chances), Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing & co start converting more chances then points will start to accumulate in greater numbers. Even Robin Van Perise said in the aftermath of our loss last weekend that Arsenal were fortunate enough not to have been 4-1 down at half-time. That says it all and the fact that we created 39 chances, 19 were on target and only 2 were converted. It's shame that we haven't got an inform Torres on our books, he'd have a field day with such chances being made.

another good post mate

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:at least this post is a bit more balanced instead of the usual `jordan henderson and andy carroll are cr@p on fifa 09` type of thing.
we are not the finished article but we are not as bad as some people are trying to make out either, we beat chelsea twice this season both times at stamford bridge, we beat city at eastlands, united at anfield, arsenal at the emirates and beat newcastle at home and everton at goodison.
in 90% of the games we have played we have been the better side and have had good chances to win the games.
as you say mate we have just not been clinical enough in front of goal but that doesnt mean we are hopeless, there`s a lot to build on.

If we are not as bad as people are making out, then we certainly are not as good as you are making out. Reading your post you would think we are challengers nevermind being a mile off the top 4.

This is a poor league, the English teams have been getting their ***** handed to them in Europe all season, and still we are nowhere near them. We are a long way from the days of 2009 and taking on Real Madrid. The quality of our first XI has taken a sharp fall since then.

We are four first team players short, with the two most imperative signings being a quality partner in midfield for Lucas, and a quality partner upfront for Suarez. No more uefa cup standard players as our squad is loaded with them. The manner in which Athletic Bilbao took Man U apart again showed the disparity between our league and la liga. It was Rafa that set us on our way when he signed Xabi Alonso in 2004, hopefully Kenny can do something similar in summer 2012.

D___C wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:at least this post is a bit more balanced instead of the usual `jordan henderson and andy carroll are cr@p on fifa 09` type of thing.
we are not the finished article but we are not as bad as some people are trying to make out either, we beat chelsea twice this season both times at stamford bridge, we beat city at eastlands, united at anfield, arsenal at the emirates and beat newcastle at home and everton at goodison.
in 90% of the games we have played we have been the better side and have had good chances to win the games.
as you say mate we have just not been clinical enough in front of goal but that doesnt mean we are hopeless, there`s a lot to build on.

If we are not as bad as people are making out, then we certainly are not as good as you are making out. Reading your post you would think we are challengers nevermind being a mile off the top 4.

This is a poor league, the English teams have been getting their ***** handed to them in Europe all season, and still we are nowhere near them. We are a long way from the days of 2009 and taking on Real Madrid. The quality of our first XI has taken a sharp fall since then.

We are four first team players short, with the two most imperative signings being a quality partner in midfield for Lucas, and a quality partner upfront for Suarez. No more uefa cup standard players as our squad is loaded with them. The manner in which Athletic Bilbao took Man U apart again showed the disparity between our league and la liga. It was Rafa that set us on our way when he signed Xabi Alonso in 2004, hopefully Kenny can do something similar in summer 2012.

bilbao were impressive but i dont think you should get too carried away by one result, earlier on in the season in the CL chelsea beat valencia (who are higher up the table than bilbao) over in spain and look how inconsistent chelsea have been.
real madrid and barcelona have been buying up the best players in the world since the dawn of time, in the mid 70`s barcelona broke the world transfer record on johann cruyff and 4 or 5 years later they did the same when they signed diego maradona so i wouldnt worry about what they are doing, dont get bogged down on whats happening in spain worry about whats happening here first.
at this stage of the season the league table doesnt lie, we are were we deserve to be, i`m not trying to say we are a great side but i am saying things can turn around quite quickly. around 89 / 90 manchester united hadnt won the title for 20 odd years and they finished something like 11th and 13th in 2 consecutive seasons, that side that finished halfway down the league 2 seasons running contained 8 or 9 of the team that would win the title 3 years later including the likes of ince, pallister, bruce, hughes, mclair etc.
united brought in schmeichel and cantona and giggs came through the ranks and they transformed the side.
i think we have got the foundations of a good side at anfield, the keeper is as good as you get, the back 4 look good when everyone is fit and they are all entering their prime as footballers, in lucas we have probably the best defensive midfielder in the country and he has still got his best years ahead of him, we have got steven gerrard who may be past his best but he`s still a very good footballer capable of moments of brilliance and up front we have one of the best players in the world in suarez.
add to that some good young players like jordan henderson and andy carroll and there is a lot to be positive about.
we obviously need at least a couple of players but some fans go on like we need 11 new players, we dont, 1 or 2 effective signings could transform this side.
i come from a generation were we backed our team and got behind them, even players that couldnt kick a ball straight like joey jones got huge iconic banners made about them, sorry if that doesnt fit in with your modern boo boy mentality.

Why bring up the past? This is 2012. What happened years ago has zilch to do with today. We are a mile off from being a quality team. Like i said before, England get dismantled every 2 years at major tournaments, Kenny signing players who aren't even good enough to get into such teams beggers belief. He cant make the same mistake again otherwise hes on his bike.

We currently sit with 39 points from 27 games, a lower points average this season in comparison to this stage last year which we had Hodgson for half of. We have lost three on the trot, and have 2 wins in 11 games. Sunderland, who were almost bottom when they sacked Bruce, are 2 points behind us.

Whatever your smoking i'll have some.

even Roy didn't lose 3 games on the trot...

I'm not sure KK will get another chance in the summer unless Liverpool turn over Spurs by a few goals in the cup final. I can see him walking away from the club in May or being moved back to the academy in favour of someone from abroad. Today was shocking. Liverpool look worse now than they ever looked under Souness or Houllier in 03-04. Only Hodgson's team was worse.