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by **kartiek** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:51 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:Yes but when someone has an open agenda which is to get rid of our manager then we must presume that person is suspect.

This whole forum should have been composed to wums and bitters if this argument applied to the Roy period.

In any case, it's his opinion, and I don't think anyone here will disagree that there is at least an iota of cause for being a little apprehensive of the work done by Kenny over the summer, especially his purchases.

At the end of the day, if Kerry is stating his opinion and we can choose to ignore it if we want, last thing would be to slag him calling him stuff for expressing concern for the club's direction.

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:59 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Have an opinion by all means but expect to be challenged, especially if its ignorant and disrespectful.
Thats democracy

But you're not challenging Kerry, you're asking him to shut the hell up or feck off or asking the mods to ban him?

Democracy? More like Communism on here sometimes

Am I mistaken in thinking that people were carded or banned for suggesting Rafa should be sacked?
As Ive said I have only mentioned it once and it was tongue in cheek. Keep the phoney pr'ick around, it matters not to me

by **lakes10** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:01 pm

Kerry go and sit on this for a bit, might cheer you up for once.

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:02 pm

kartiek wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Yes but when someone has an open agenda which is to get rid of our manager then we must presume that person is suspect.

This whole forum should have been composed to wums and bitters if this argument applied to the Roy period.

In any case, it's his opinion, and I don't think anyone here will disagree that there is at least an iota of cause for being a little apprehensive of the work done by Kenny over the summer, especially his purchases.

At the end of the day, if Kerry is stating his opinion and we can choose to ignore it if we want, last thing would be to slag him calling him stuff for expressing concern for the club's direction.

"A little apprehensive"?
:laugh:

Good one

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:04 pm

lakes10 wrote:Kerry go and sit on this for a bit, might cheer you up for once.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:25 pm

I actually dont think there is anything wrong with Kennys tactics, I dont.

We keep hold of the ball, we have loads of possession, we make loads of chances, we have a pretty mean defence. I think that looks prety good.

We are just not scoring goals, but everything else looks ok to me.

We are still a work in progress and we have moved forward from where we where 2 or 3 seasons ago in the way we are playing the game. The difference is we no longer have a striker like Torres, Owen, Fowler, Aldridge, Rush or Keegan (we have kinda been spoilt for amazing forwards).

We need to go out and buy someone who can stick the ball in the net because right now Suarez and Carroll are not doing it. What we really need is someone who could work alongside either of these 2 because they both have their strengths.

Things look worse than they are, lets get a goal scorer in and see the difference, but lets not get carried away about how awful we are playing because the stats do not agree with you at all!

Keny and Steve Clarke know what they are doing, lets give them out support and let them get on with the job

by **Kerry07** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:10 pm

red till i die!! wrote:look at the amount of discussion and interest kerry 07 has brought to the boards?.
personally i think he/she has some good points but most seem to think all he/she wants in to get rid of kenny despite the fact that he/she states different.
i know all about kenny even though he had only a couple seasons left as a player when i began a real interest in liverpool.he then became manager and we had more glory years but some of us are fortunate to have experienced that and others only have vhs or dvd's of our glory years to compare it too.
fwiw i dont think he/she is a wum,bitter or manc either just another supporter who is pessimistic about the direction we are heading in and i dont think other posters should be calling for someone to be banned because their views dont conform to the masses.
i dont agree with everything he/she says either but then again most probably dont agree with what i post either but is this not what this forum is about? a place where all fans young or old can voice their opinion.if every body was to post the same stuff then it would be completely boring wouldnt it?.

Exactly.

I have not stated "i want Kenny sacked".. not once. What i have done is stated two facts, 1; we are no further forward league wise, 2; we are no further forward player wise..., and so i asked what will change so that next season will be different. Thats it. This season alone is not sackable... a repeat next season will be... and its next season that im asking, what will change?

The British signings were poor. Now, if this was Comolli at fault then that would change my entire point completely. I wouldn't utter a single criticism against Kenny. But given Kenny has stated in press conferences his support for them then he must have advocated their signing. From day one (early feb 2011) he has been quizzed over the Carroll signing, and Kenny has stated "hes here for 5 years not 5 months". Take one look at the incredulity in the opening page of the Carroll thread to see the response on here. I'm merely echoing whats been said umpteem times before.

Kenny's best spell with us thus far was at the end of last season with three consecutive wins over Birmingham 5-0, Newcastle 3-0, and Fulham 5-2...13 goals in 3 games. All three games featured Suarez, Kuyt, Maxi and Mereiles in attack, and the forward movement and general play was exceptional. Kenny had the winning formula. But since that spell he has introduced the costly british signings from newcastle, sunderland, aston villa and blackpool.. and our play dropped to the standard of the clubs we signed them from. Suarez against Arsenal was magnificent; had the freedom to run along the backline, no restrictions, and had a technical player Kuyt to link up with. He looked the player we saw at the end of last season.. looks half the player when Carroll is played alongside him.

We are 7th in the league, have 39 pts from 26 games (1.5 per game), 30 goals (1.14 per game), 4 wins at home from 13, and are on course to finish with 57pts. This is not pessimism, this is fact.

I'm asking what will change next season? How will it be different? Will he compound his error by persisting with costly players who are not good enough?

by **redtrader74** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:34 pm

I'm sure that Kenny will have a learnt a lot from this season, he's no fool and neither is Steve Clarke. Although Kenny must take the blame for the buys in the Summer, I'm not sure of the level of input he had in the Carroll purchase; he was only an interim manager a few days in at that time. IMHO Kenny suggests the players he wants and Comolli goes out and buys them, and has been paying the ridiculous fees.

I have to agree with this Kerry fella that we did look a lot better last season when Mereiles, Kuyt, suarez and maxi were marauding forward, especially when you compare it to the pedestrian Hendo, Adam and Carroll trio, but that lot had Lucas shoring up the midfield, and the games at the end of last season were almost meaningless and the players were relieved of pressure.

This season we have dominated lots of games that we have disappointingly drawn or lost, genuinely taken teams apart at times, and these performances have included Henderson, Adam and Downing. So if you think Kenny's motivational strengths are poor, or tactics :censored:

, you're wrong given the way we have subdued most of our league opposition.

Our biggest crime has been not hitting the target, chances have been created and not put away. This is not luck, it's a lack of composure, and in Suarez' case trying to be too clever at times, the fellas hugely talented and opts for the flash choice and not the percentage shot. This is where Kenny needs to step in and tell him what he wants and expects. Secondly we need to make one serious buy this summer and that is a top qaulity finisher, a proven goalscorer, and if it means we take a hit on Carroll, then so be it. All managers have fcked up on big buys at times, this is ours.

Kenny deserves a lot more respect than some morons are giving him, he has a proven track record, a love for the club and would step aside in a heartbeat if he felt he couldnt o the job justice. We have a trophy under our belt, a good start, and although I'd love to see us in the champions league next season, what I really want is a serious title challenge, and im not sure we could do justice to both yet.

Oh and Mourinho, don't make me fcking laugh, he's never coming to Anfield, and would you really want him? He's a top manager, true, but he's also a locust; he takes over and knows that his bull only lasts for a short time and leaves the Club in an unsustainable state. He's no Bill.

by **friendlyguy33** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:13 pm

I don't agree with much of what Kerry07 says or the anti-Kenny Dalglish slant contained in most of that bloggers posts. That said at least the said poster has the courage of their convictions to speak their mind.

The live show on LFCTV earlier with Aldo and Didi was interesting. I think the players will hopefully step things up now we've heard this before earlier in the season but it's pretty much do or die now as far the league is concerned. There has to be more of a cutting edge to the play and just well go for it now. The Suarez chance in the first half after the Henderson shot was more a difficult chance than first thought. Also on Mourinho I don't think he'd come anyway if we finish 6th again with 60 points as it would be too big a job to win the title next year.

I still think KK can turn this around but there has to be a better end product to the pass and move play. The future and building something that can last is important but the present is also just as important. Hopefully the players can turn this around and finish the season strongly.

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:40 pm

Kerry07 wrote:I have not stated "i want Kenny sacked".. not once.

The British signings were poor. Now, if this was Comolli at fault then that would change my entire point completely. I wouldn't utter a single criticism against Kenny. But given Kenny has stated in press conferences his support for them then he must have advocated their signing.

Kerry, March 3rd:

"We spent a fortune on average british players. As far as im concerned that is sackable.

I have lost it with Kenny today. Doing nothing at 1-1 when we need a goal, and then putting on Bellamy in the 88th minute.. was bordering on lunacy.

Mourinho would come to us i have no doubt (Ian McGarry has said as much).. there would be no bizarre tactics, no cr@p signings, no sitting back and watching the game pass u by then acting with 2 minutes normal time to go."

My Nan always used to say "you have to have a good memory to be a good liar..."
:laugh:

by **LFC2007** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:01 am

F'uck's sake, lakes :angry:

There're enough c'ocks on here as it is.

by **Reg** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:05 am

Congratulations to Ladyboy Ronaldo for scoring his 30th goal of the season last night. Same number as our combined team together.

Thats the lesson I hope Kenneth has learnt and is actioning.

by **maguskwt** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:08 am

LFC2007 wrote:F'uck's sake, lakes There're enough c'ocks on here as it is.

by **lakes10** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:18 am

LFC2007 wrote:F'uck's sake, lakes There're enough c'ocks on here as it is.

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:18 am

Reg wrote:Congratulations to Ladyboy Ronaldo for scoring his 30th goal of the season last night. Same number as our combined team together.

Thats the lesson I hope Kenneth has learnt and is actioning.

Reginald.
Even you could score in spain...
:;):

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