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by **red till i die!!** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:42 pm

last night was again disapointing but tbh we cant really complain with a draw against a spurs side who are playing well and who also have gained a dominance over us in the last 2 seasons.
its the draws previously against some poor sides that have cost us a push for 4th especially at home.8 draws is potentially 16 pts dropped and had we more creativity within our ranks it could have been a whole different story.the warning signs were there since preseason and kenny imo put too much faith in his signings.the players he bought arent the worst but they were never ready to step right in and challenge for the league.
it was a big mistake on his behalf letting merieles and aqua leave thus starving us further of creativity from the midfield which has haunted us all season.we have too many one dimensional players with no pace and a poor selection on the bench to back them up.he should have got rid of the likes of kuyt who is unbelievably limited,maxi cant get a game so why did kenny keep him here if he wont play him?.imo he isnt good enough anyway.aurelio baffles me when our lb gets injured and when he is a natural replacement we play our rb there instead.
i posted before the season started that the decision to go into this campaign without a proven striker or the quality needed from the midfield would inevietably end up with us drawing too many games.we had the chance to rectify this in january but again we chose not too and will end up being just as frustrating and lacking from here on in.

these are the decisions that i feel is letting kenny down and whilst i do approve of the style of football we are trying to achieve i understand that we dont have the players to suit it.
failure to beat manure at old toilet on sat and if newc,arsenal and the chavs win then that will surely slam shut the door on 4th for us and it will be more like 7th for us again.

by **red till i die!!** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:53 pm

maguskwt wrote:
andy_g wrote:the 'on the pitch' methods are one thing, and as st mick says we are only effective on the counter attack and seem unable to break teams down. kenny really needs to find a way to address this somehow.

another thing is kenny's interview methods. i know the guy loves the club and wants to protect the players but i thought his post match interview yesterday was really bad. his overly defensive approach in the end just made him look like a grumpy feck and will only serve to lose him even more admirers in the football world. one of his jobs is to show the club in a positive light and i think he could do better at the moment in that respect.

Don't agree with the 2nd paragraph, Kenny has been spot on when it comes to dealing with Media and scumbag journalists...

a good point was raised earlier by gordon taylor whan asked for a response to what kenny said about suarez last night.
he replied that why if kenny was so adamant that his player is innocent then why did they choose not to appeal.

he should have said nothing other than we are delighted to have luis back rather than what he did say thus sparking another media backlash against the club.
he should no better and shouldnt have entertained the reporter with that reply

by **jacdaniel** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:35 pm

red till i die!! wrote:a good point was raised earlier by gordon taylor whan asked for a response to what kenny said about suarez last night.
he replied that why if kenny was so adamant that his player is innocent then why did they choose not to appeal.

The FA were never going to go back on their decision and if anything they might have even extended the ban. As it turned out, the ban came at a decent time with a lot of cup games etc to play.

The media have tried their best to destroy Suarez's reputation so I don't see whats wrong with our own manager trying to protect him.

by **red till i die!!** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:00 pm

jacdaniel wrote:
red till i die!! wrote:a good point was raised earlier by gordon taylor whan asked for a response to what kenny said about suarez last night.
he replied that why if kenny was so adamant that his player is innocent then why did they choose not to appeal.

The FA were never going to go back on their decision and if anything they might have even extended the ban. As it turned out, the ban came at a decent time with a lot of cup games etc to play.

The media have tried their best to destroy Suarez's reputation so I don't see whats wrong with our own manager trying to protect him.

that is the risk you run when you appeal a ban with the F.A.
its the same process for all the clubs and we arent treated any different in that aspect. seeing as we did accept the ban we should have drawn a line under it.
it serves no purpose other than more negative publicity to revisit the issue again.

i agree that suarez is being humiliated and destroyed by the media unfairly but the best thing to do is not respond to them and merely reply next question please.
instead we made the news today for all the wrong reasons.

by **woof woof !** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:42 pm

andy_g wrote:another thing is kenny's interview methods. i know the guy loves the club and wants to protect the players but i thought his post match interview yesterday was really bad. his overly defensive approach in the end just made him look like a grumpy feck and will only serve to lose him even more admirers in the football world. one of his jobs is to show the club in a positive light and i think he could do better at the moment in that respect.

Think I agree with much of what you're saying there Andy.

For me it's not just last nights "interview" that has me wondering about Kenny's approach to dealing with the media, rarely does he give a straight forward answer to even the most innocuous of questions.

Even when we've won and he's asked what he thinks of how well a particular player has done, instead of a simple "he's had a great game" we get instead something like "it's not just about him, there's a lot of others contributing"

Love the fella to bits for all he's done for the club and he'll always be a legend for me BUT his dismissive attitude to almost any question put to him makes me wonder why he even bothers to turn up for the post match inquest.

Yeah the media are generally a bunch of sharks and fk them, but for us fans that are watching I'd love to hear more than just a stream of Kenny answering a question with yet another abrasive/defensive question.

TBH I'm slightly embarrassed by Kenny's demeanour when it comes to his post match responses, tongue rolling round his gob while he searches for a response that generally lacks the wit or wisdom he displayed as a player..

by **stmichael** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:51 pm

it is also a bit of a concern that we don't press teams this season when we don't have the ball like we did under rafa or even in the second half of last season. this pressing game from the likes of kuyt and spearing epitomised us last season when the side was playing well. when we play at a tempo sides can't live with us as we've shown

it's ok surrendering possession and hitting teams on the break (maureen won a european cup with inter playing that way) but it's a dangerous game against better sides. we were fortunate the other week that united did very little in the fa cup game despite dominating possession for long spells. if we surrender possession against them at the weekend to such an extent we'll get found out.

by **jacdaniel** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:04 pm

I love Kenny's press conference's. I love the way he doesn't give anything away. I think its mandatory for him to do them anyways when he probably doesn't even want to?

They're a breath of fresh air compared to the previous managers anyways. I think he's just trying to be fair... like when someone asks him about Bellamy or Gerrard he tries to point out that the whole team contributed.

by **parchpea** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:49 pm

I think this team on the whole does its best but unfortunately looks like it will fall short in terms of league position.

We all know that there is a lack of creativity and a finish in the final third and its a shame we where not able to try and repair that in January.

Work in progress for sure but I doubt this group can do much more and therefore until we go again into a second phase its likely we will stand still a bit league wise and hopefully win a cup and Europa qualification.

Overall I reckon that will be reasonable but there is no denying the owners had a target of 4th in mind and felt this was achievable. At this point that looks off the mark but you never know like but I personally doubt it.

We are moving forward but the speed of progress is always difficult to take when we have such a rich history and a never ending thirst for success.

by **stmichael** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:03 pm

parchpea wrote:We are moving forward but the speed of progress is always difficult to take when we have such a rich history and a never ending thirst for success.

welcome to modern day football mate. that's the way it is these days unfortunately.

look at chelsea as a prime example. they pay £13m to get avb out of his contract at porto and half of their fans want him out after six months, despite the fact that he's hardly had chance to bring his own players in and has got an ageing squad. these things take time, but with so much money in the game nowadays fans are fickle beyondd belief.

there were people on here suggesting that kenny should go in the summer if we don't get fourth this season. that just about sums it up. even if he wins both domestic cups that won't be enough for some fans.

by **parchpea** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:28 pm

I have to be honest and say I get frustrated with the speed of progess myself no doubt about it.

Thing is its not just like its this year, its ever year we seem to have to wait for another year, then another, and it goes on and on.

Like we are trapped in a time loop that plays out the same ending but with different characters.

Patience is one thing, I get it if your John Henry, hes new here like, one year, but for me its been every year for like 20 years now not being top dogs and it really tests my resolve for the most part.

by **RedAnt** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:41 pm

I'll stand by Kenny. I've always preached the loyalty thing on these forums and I ain't gonna stop now. I have to say he's very frustrating though. I'm not a fan of his press handling. Whiskey Nose is a tw@tt, we know that, but he's dang good at what he does. He's great at getting the press onside, and great at twisting things to his own benifit. Kenny for me just comes across as stubborn and arrogant much of the time, which is a shame because he seems a real nice man.

When Kenny was given the permanent job, you can bet your @rse that the owners had 4th spot and higher in mind. They've likely wondered several times since then if they made the right decision. Don't be so sure that if we don't get 4th Kenny will be our manager next year. They backed signings like Andy Carroll for £35m. It shows they're prepared to take risks. If Kenny isn't doing the job (and let's face it, no matter how far football has changed, Liverpool FC should be challenging, and not struggling for 4th) the owners WILL find someone else. The next guy to come along will likely get more time. But I can well believe that they took a punt on Kenny and that they're well capable of saying "Let's try something new". I don't believe we'll ever employ Chelsea's "one shot at success" tactic, but they might just decide that in this case they've backed the wrong horse.

by **maguskwt** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:49 am

I don't believe Kenny should go. He deserves his full 3 years of his contract. But I'm a little surprised that we seem to be struggling more than the 2nd half of last season. I just don't understand the rationale of going british. Good British players like gerrard and carra and fowler and Owen are few and far between.

To me Adam is only probably as good as Murphy on his BEST day. Not good enough for liverpool's starting 11. Downing is a role player, nothing special, not even as effective as Riera. And don't get me started on Carroll... Not even as good as Heskey. We look very primitive the way we play.

We have fallen far from Rafa's teams in terms of quality. And this is not entirely Kenny's fault. The club has gone through hell under twit and :censored:

and when under bank administration...

The only short term solution is to splash the cash once more... Maybe give 60 million to Kenny for 3 players, a proper striker, a winger and a athletic defensive midfielder. And if you don't restrict yourself to overpriced British talent, then you can get very good quality players for 20 millions each...

by **fivecups** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:59 am

RedAnt wrote:I'll stand by Kenny. I've always preached the loyalty thing on these forums and I ain't gonna stop now. I have to say he's very frustrating though. I'm not a fan of his press handling. Whiskey Nose is a tw@tt, we know that, but he's dang good at what he does. He's great at getting the press onside, and great at twisting things to his own benifit. Kenny for me just comes across as stubborn and arrogant much of the time, which is a shame because he seems a real nice man.

When Kenny was given the permanent job, you can bet your @rse that the owners had 4th spot and higher in mind. They've likely wondered several times since then if they made the right decision. Don't be so sure that if we don't get 4th Kenny will be our manager next year. They backed signings like Andy Carroll for £35m. It shows they're prepared to take risks. If Kenny isn't doing the job (and let's face it, no matter how far football has changed, Liverpool FC should be challenging, and not struggling for 4th) the owners WILL find someone else. The next guy to come along will likely get more time. But I can well believe that they took a punt on Kenny and that they're well capable of saying "Let's try something new". I don't believe we'll ever employ Chelsea's "one shot at success" tactic, but they might just decide that in this case they've backed the wrong horse.

While the fans support Kenny the owners won't sack him.

by **devaney** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:23 am

Kenny's methods at times leave a lot to be desired but do we know the entire story.The ridiculous number of draws at Anfield against so-called weaker opposition is totally unacceptable.I have said before that I don't think we are that far away but I'm getting disillusioned with my own argument.The main problem is a £60m forward line that doesn't score enough goals and look who bought them,the new owners,Comolli and probably to a lesser extent Dalglish given the time he had been in the job as manager.I have heard it rumoured that Comolli picks the starting eleven.Admittedly I struggle to believe that.

By the end of the season the new owners will have been around for nearly 18 months. They will have spent a net of £40m in the transfer market which isn't a massive sign of long term commitment considering the pittance they paid for the club.The owners will further reduce their overall net spend by selling Cole and Aquilani for close on £15/20m in the summer. Only time will tell and the summer will be a very important time. I'm genuinely concerned about the future of LFC if we fail once again to qualify for the CL.The silence of the owners and Ian Ayres during the Suarez case was almost deafening and somewhat strange to say the least.I really don't know what to make of it?

Just look at our activity in the transfer market over the last twelve months.Is anybody ecstatic about who we have bought and sold? I'm still at a loss as to why Mereiles went. Just what did Torres say to him? Was it his age? Was it money? Was it Kenny or Comolli? I don't mind us selling the dross but for far too long we have lost some real quality players and made some serious mistakes in the transfer market. The sale of Nando in my opinion was good business as he had been far from his best for a very long time.

by **maguskwt** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:55 am

devaney wrote:Kenny's methods at times leave a lot to be desired but do we know the entire story.The ridiculous number of draws at Anfield against so-called weaker opposition is totally unacceptable.I have said before that I don't think we are that far away but I'm getting disillusioned with my own argument.The main problem is a £60m forward line that doesn't score enough goals and look who bought them,the new owners,Comolli and probably to a lesser extent Dalglish given the time he had been in the job as manager.I have heard it rumoured that Comolli picks the starting eleven.Admittedly I struggle to believe that.

By the end of the season the new owners will have been around for nearly 18 months. They will have spent a net of £40m in the transfer market which isn't a massive sign of long term commitment considering the pittance they paid for the club.The owners will further reduce their overall net spend by selling Cole and Aquilani for close on £15/20m in the summer. Only time will tell and the summer will be a very important time. I'm genuinely concerned about the future of LFC if we fail once again to qualify for the CL.The silence of the owners and Ian Ayres during the Suarez case was almost deafening and somewhat strange to say the least.I really don't know what to make of it?

Just look at our activity in the transfer market over the last twelve months.Is anybody ecstatic about who we have bought and sold? I'm still at a loss as to why Mereiles went. Just what did Torres say to him? Was it his age? Was it money? Was it Kenny or Comolli? I don't mind us selling the dross but for far too long we have lost some real quality players and made some serious mistakes in the transfer market. The sale of Nando in my opinion was good business as he had been far from his best for a very long time.

Why would the owners and Ian Ayre need to say anything about the Suarez case? Ian Ayre is a commercial director, nothing to do with Suarez... And as for the owners, as long as they're supporting the manager and in the transfers I don't mind if they say feck all...

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