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by **Kopite-Jud** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:28 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:strong words from Kenny after the match, which is a little encouraging...but doesn't escape from the fact that the majority of the poor performances are coming from his big money signings.

Kenny can shout all he likes...but he needs to take action and bite the bullet and get rid of Carroll for starters.

dont matter how you word it mate, all i see when i read your posts is "sack him"

you just dont have the guts to post it that way

dont worry mate, loads are posting it on other forums and members of the media are also saying it.

on the phone ins last night it was about 40/60 in saying he should be sacked. so 60% wish he to go.

KK is no different to other managers in that its a results business. His legendary status will only cover him for so long. I am seriously, totally uninterested in what the gobsh'te media says and we must back him as long as he is our manager. The challenge now is for KK to man up and kick ar'se. Defending the indefencible is no longer an option and we will see in the next few games if he can get it right. I would rather go down fighting with a bunch of kids than have seasoned professionals getting spit roasted by the like of the mighty Bolton Wanderers.
I could literally slap every one of those players (except Bellamy) in the face for that excuse of a performance yesterday.

Fully agree

by **parchpea** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:36 pm

I thought we where going to build a new and exciting young team under Kenny but its not started out that way.

Part of the problem is he hasnt really changed that much from before and his initial policy to let teams worry about us seems to have died a death lately.

Liverpool needed a radical over haul, a new way forward, but its just simply hasnt materialised to this point.

I agree with the earlier post that I would sooner we fielded some really exiting young players, proper energy and excitement of the field, than see these boys tapping it around like a training game.

I really thought that was going to be the idea, like when we put Folwer and Mcmanaman, Redknapp, those boys in back in the day around experienced pros like Barnes and Molby and that.

We need to see that there is a plan, a structure, and a way forward for us because its just the same old at present and people are getting frustrated with it.

by **South East Kop** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:47 pm

Give KK and LFC a break!

Just over 12 months ago this club had dodgy owners with little sense, and a manager who favoured his ridgid and organised style of football that does not suit LFC.

We now have fantastic owners with things moving forward both on and off the field of play.

On the field they have invested in players and NO CLUB gets it right everytime - the list of signings that have failed could be highlighted at EVERY top club in the PL. Its taken Spurs and Man City time to get where they are and a lot of wasted money at that.

When KK took over he shipped out 70m of talent that wasnt good enough. He spent just over 100m and has got the best out of a host of players who looked pretty much dismal under Hodson.

We have played some outstanding football this season and all without Steve G, a player that over the years has been someone this club has relied on and struggled when not available.

So the basis of a squad is there and KK and the board will not stop investing to get it right.

We can still achive 4th spot but there are 5 other cracking sides going for it, a spot which we have'nt achived for some time.

Surely KK and the club should be given a couple of years minimum to get it right - we aint a top 4 side anymore, get real and get over it.

KK is trying to build foundations to not only get back into the top 4 but become regulars.

I am a tad frustrated by recent performances but that is only down to the fact we have looked so good this season and shown great promise. I also see in Suarez and Carroll on paper as a frighteningly good partnership difficult to defend against. On the pitch it aint happening, part due to injuries, suspensions and the more i watch Carroll, the more i see why Reina on football focus say he's the laziest player in training.

I'd love to see Carroll suceed, but i'd rather see him replaced before Kenny is.

by **lakes10** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:50 pm

Kopite-Jud wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:strong words from Kenny after the match, which is a little encouraging...but doesn't escape from the fact that the majority of the poor performances are coming from his big money signings.

Kenny can shout all he likes...but he needs to take action and bite the bullet and get rid of Carroll for starters.

dont matter how you word it mate, all i see when i read your posts is "sack him"

you just dont have the guts to post it that way

dont worry mate, loads are posting it on other forums and members of the media are also saying it.

on the phone ins last night it was about 40/60 in saying he should be sacked. so 60% wish he to go.

KK is no different to other managers in that its a results business. His legendary status will only cover him for so long. I am seriously, totally uninterested in what the gobsh'te media says and we must back him as long as he is our manager. The challenge now is for KK to man up and kick ar'se. Defending the indefencible is no longer an option and we will see in the next few games if he can get it right. I would rather go down fighting with a bunch of kids than have seasoned professionals getting spit roasted by the like of the mighty Bolton Wanderers.
I could literally slap every one of those players (except Bellamy) in the face for that excuse of a performance yesterday.

Fully agree

ok mate, go start a"SACK KENNY" thread in your name then.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:54 pm

lakes10 wrote:
Kopite-Jud wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:strong words from Kenny after the match, which is a little encouraging...but doesn't escape from the fact that the majority of the poor performances are coming from his big money signings.

Kenny can shout all he likes...but he needs to take action and bite the bullet and get rid of Carroll for starters.

dont matter how you word it mate, all i see when i read your posts is "sack him"

you just dont have the guts to post it that way

dont worry mate, loads are posting it on other forums and members of the media are also saying it.

on the phone ins last night it was about 40/60 in saying he should be sacked. so 60% wish he to go.

KK is no different to other managers in that its a results business. His legendary status will only cover him for so long. I am seriously, totally uninterested in what the gobsh'te media says and we must back him as long as he is our manager. The challenge now is for KK to man up and kick ar'se. Defending the indefencible is no longer an option and we will see in the next few games if he can get it right. I would rather go down fighting with a bunch of kids than have seasoned professionals getting spit roasted by the like of the mighty Bolton Wanderers.
I could literally slap every one of those players (except Bellamy) in the face for that excuse of a performance yesterday.

Fully agree

ok mate, go start a"SACK KENNY" thread in your name then.

Sacking KK should be the last thing on anyones mind
:no

by **lakes10** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:00 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:Sacking KK should be the last thing on anyones mind

but its not mate, a lot of fans have given up on him and feel he is past his best.

I dont, i think he is the right man for the job, he has been hit by not having the players fit...or on a ban.

what gets me is if we win 2 game the same fans start saying he is GOD by one loss and they after his head again.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:05 pm

Fans are fickle, even the so called "most knowledgable fans in football". I am truly embarrassed by some of the comments both on and off this forum from some of our "supporters".
Try not to take them seriously and dont get upset at their ignorance.

by **supersub** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:09 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:Fans are fickle, even the so called "most knowledgable fans in football". I am truly embarrassed by some of the comments both on and off this forum from some of our "supporters".
Try not to take them seriously and dont get upset at their ignorance.

yeah I agree.....

who would say a thing like this ?

"Are people serious!
Why this lazy, ineffectual tw@t hasnt been criticised is unbelievable. He was Fu*king shocking yesterday and should have been dragged off and been suspended for a month.
Shameful performance from a seasoned international. You want to single Carroll out for being sh'ite? Look at this sh'ithouse before you start mouthing off"

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:20 pm

supersub wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Fans are fickle, even the so called "most knowledgable fans in football". I am truly embarrassed by some of the comments both on and off this forum from some of our "supporters".
Try not to take them seriously and dont get upset at their ignorance.

yeah I agree.....

who would say a thing like this ?

"Are people serious!
Why this lazy, ineffectual tw@t hasnt been criticised is unbelievable. He was Fu*king shocking yesterday and should have been dragged off and been suspended for a month.
Shameful performance from a seasoned international. You want to single Carroll out for being sh'ite? Look at this sh'ithouse before you start mouthing off"

Nice try
This is not me being fickle. I have said on many occassions that Johnson is a sh'ithouse. He has proven me right again yesterday.
Far more serious is people saying KK should be sacked. Foolish, dangerous, and fickle
:;):

by **JC_81** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:05 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
supersub wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Fans are fickle, even the so called "most knowledgable fans in football". I am truly embarrassed by some of the comments both on and off this forum from some of our "supporters".
Try not to take them seriously and dont get upset at their ignorance.

yeah I agree.....

who would say a thing like this ?

"Are people serious!
Why this lazy, ineffectual tw@t hasnt been criticised is unbelievable. He was Fu*king shocking yesterday and should have been dragged off and been suspended for a month.
Shameful performance from a seasoned international. You want to single Carroll out for being sh'ite? Look at this sh'ithouse before you start mouthing off"

Nice try
This is not me being fickle. I have said on many occassions that Johnson is a sh'ithouse. He has proven me right again yesterday.
Far more serious is people saying KK should be sacked. Foolish, dangerous, and fickle

Dangerous?!

Why is it dangerous?

I don't think Dalgish should be sacked btw, but your choice of words puzzles me.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:18 pm

john craig wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
supersub wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Fans are fickle, even the so called "most knowledgable fans in football". I am truly embarrassed by some of the comments both on and off this forum from some of our "supporters".
Try not to take them seriously and dont get upset at their ignorance.

yeah I agree.....

who would say a thing like this ?

"Are people serious!
Why this lazy, ineffectual tw@t hasnt been criticised is unbelievable. He was Fu*king shocking yesterday and should have been dragged off and been suspended for a month.
Shameful performance from a seasoned international. You want to single Carroll out for being sh'ite? Look at this sh'ithouse before you start mouthing off"

Nice try
This is not me being fickle. I have said on many occassions that Johnson is a sh'ithouse. He has proven me right again yesterday.
Far more serious is people saying KK should be sacked. Foolish, dangerous, and fickle

Dangerous?!

Why is it dangerous?

I don't think Dalgish should be sacked btw, but your choice of words puzzles me.

Dangerous because we could be sucked into a chelsea type situation where the manager is changed more than Obramovitches underpants.
Once we start this hiring and firing sack race its a long and fruitless road to mediocraty or oblivion. We must give KK time and lower our expectations. The obvious answers aside, why should we believe that we are by rights a top four team? I am as gulity as the next man, or Kerry, of expecting success. But lets not forget we have had a torrid time in the last five or six years, which coincides with the amount of time since we won our last trophy.
Changing managers isnt always the answer.

by **mistyred** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:00 pm

Kenny just give Arry some money for Defoe.

by **7_Kewell** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:08 pm

lakes10 wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:strong words from Kenny after the match, which is a little encouraging...but doesn't escape from the fact that the majority of the poor performances are coming from his big money signings.

Kenny can shout all he likes...but he needs to take action and bite the bullet and get rid of Carroll for starters.

dont matter how you word it mate, all i see when i read your posts is "sack him"

you just dont have the guts to post it that way

dont worry mate, loads are posting it on other forums and members of the media are also saying it.

on the phone ins last night it was about 40/60 in saying he should be sacked. so 60% wish he to go.

i've said from the very start that my minimum expectation from this season is top 4....i even started a poll which said the very same thing back in July.

Has anyone looked at that poll? 60% of newkiters said 4th was their minimum expectation too

Kenny is no different than any other manager and if we get spanked by Man City on wednesday then fans will start to turn in a big way, mark my words.

but if he can turn it around then he has my full backing. But i'm not going to don the rose tinted glasses and pretend it's 1989, like some of our fans

by **tubby** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:36 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
john craig wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
supersub wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Fans are fickle, even the so called "most knowledgable fans in football". I am truly embarrassed by some of the comments both on and off this forum from some of our "supporters".
Try not to take them seriously and dont get upset at their ignorance.

yeah I agree.....

who would say a thing like this ?

"Are people serious!
Why this lazy, ineffectual tw@t hasnt been criticised is unbelievable. He was Fu*king shocking yesterday and should have been dragged off and been suspended for a month.
Shameful performance from a seasoned international. You want to single Carroll out for being sh'ite? Look at this sh'ithouse before you start mouthing off"

Nice try
This is not me being fickle. I have said on many occassions that Johnson is a sh'ithouse. He has proven me right again yesterday.
Far more serious is people saying KK should be sacked. Foolish, dangerous, and fickle

Dangerous?!

Why is it dangerous?

I don't think Dalgish should be sacked btw, but your choice of words puzzles me.

Dangerous because we could be sucked into a chelsea type situation where the manager is changed more than Obramovitches underpants.
Once we start this hiring and firing sack race its a long and fruitless road to mediocraty or oblivion. We must give KK time and lower our expectations. The obvious answers aside, why should we believe that we are by rights a top four team? I am as gulity as the next man, or Kerry, of expecting success. But lets not forget we have had a torrid time in the last five or six years, which coincides with the amount of time since we won our last trophy.
Changing managers isnt always the answer.

I don't think that will ever happen with us, simply because, whilst the owners are putting in some money, it's not nearly the same humungous amounts the likes of Abramovich or Sheikh Mansour have pumped into their clubs. Over a few years FSG would probably expect success but there has to be signs of improvement in the short term for them to allow Kenny to be able to carry on.

by **JC_81** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:40 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:strong words from Kenny after the match, which is a little encouraging...but doesn't escape from the fact that the majority of the poor performances are coming from his big money signings.

Kenny can shout all he likes...but he needs to take action and bite the bullet and get rid of Carroll for starters.

dont matter how you word it mate, all i see when i read your posts is "sack him"

you just dont have the guts to post it that way

dont worry mate, loads are posting it on other forums and members of the media are also saying it.

on the phone ins last night it was about 40/60 in saying he should be sacked. so 60% wish he to go.

i've said from the very start that my minimum expectation from this season is top 4....i even started a poll which said the very same thing back in July.

Has anyone looked at that poll? 60% of newkiters said 4th was their minimum expectation too

Kenny is no different than any other manager and if we get spanked by Man City on wednesday then fans will start to turn in a big way, mark my words.

but if he can turn it around then he has my full backing. But i'm not going to don the rose tinted glasses and pretend it's 1989, like some of our fans

Minimum expectation? Are you for real?

There are 6 teams fighting for 4 spaces, 7 actually if you include Newcastle. Three of those, the current top 3, are clearly stronger than us at this point in time, so basically it's between us, Chelsea and Arsenal for 4th.

Chelsea have outspent Man City in the last 12 months and Arsenal will always be a force to be reckoned with as long as they have Wenger, so to say our absolute minimum expectation is to finish above those two teams is ridiculous.

Top 6 would be minimum expectation, in that if we finished lower than that serious questions would have to be asked of Dalglish. And if Newcastle did finish above us, I do think serious questions would have to be asked. Top 4 would have been a brilliant season for us, and it's still possible, but time is running out for this team to gel in time for it to happen.

As I see it, top 4 was maximum expectation, not minimum expectation, this season.

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