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Benny The Noon wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:Downing and Carroll are, in my view, some of the worst players EVER to wear the shirt. That's 55 million...then there's Henderson who's at least 12 months away from being good enough for a regular start...that 70 million...then adam...78 million. Bang...best part of 100 million gone.

Brilliant, eh?  All building up to our battle with Stoke for 7th place


you haven't answered my question...name a Liverpool manager in our HISTORY who has wasted so much money

So it's not actually offical or anything then ?

It's just you declaring them flops ?

How did you go from 55 mil to 100 mil because Henderson is a flop because he is a young player still developing ? Very strange random logic.

I actually don't think any of them have flopped yet as they need minimum a season so no wasted money yet .

As for your question - Every single manager has wasted money on ayers who didnt work out.

worcester_red wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:Downing and Carroll are, in my view, some of the worst players EVER to wear the shirt. That's 55 million...then there's Henderson who's at least 12 months away from being good enough for a regular start...that 70 million...then adam...78 million. Bang...best part of 100 million gone.

Brilliant, eh?  All building up to our battle with Stoke for 7th place


you haven't answered my question...name a Liverpool manager in our HISTORY who has wasted so much money

So it's not actually offical or anything then ?

It's just you declaring them flops ?

How did you go from 55 mil to 100 mil because Henderson is a flop because he is a young player still developing ? Very strange random logic.

I actually don't think any of them have flopped yet as they need minimum a season so no wasted money yet .

As for your question - Every single manager has wasted money on ayers who didnt work out.

why do Carrol and Downing need a season to get used to playing in the Prem, you'll have to explain that one to me, are they not supposed to be good players who were used to the pace of the prem etc?
I think Henderson has potential but at the moment he gives us very little, the only 2 good signings are Enrique and Suarez, Adam is ok and Bellamy offers a few minutes here and there.
I'm not aware that Kenny has bought any defenders so far, apart from Coates who is a junior player imo.

Benny The Noon wrote:

worcester_red wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:Downing and Carroll are, in my view, some of the worst players EVER to wear the shirt. That's 55 million...then there's Henderson who's at least 12 months away from being good enough for a regular start...that 70 million...then adam...78 million. Bang...best part of 100 million gone.

Brilliant, eh?  All building up to our battle with Stoke for 7th place


you haven't answered my question...name a Liverpool manager in our HISTORY who has wasted so much money

So it's not actually offical or anything then ?

It's just you declaring them flops ?

How did you go from 55 mil to 100 mil because Henderson is a flop because he is a young player still developing ? Very strange random logic.

I actually don't think any of them have flopped yet as they need minimum a season so no wasted money yet .

As for your question - Every single manager has wasted money on ayers who didnt work out.

why do Carrol and Downing need a season to get used to playing in the Prem, you'll have to explain that one to me, are they not supposed to be good players who were used to the pace of the prem etc?
I think Henderson has potential but at the moment he gives us very little, the only 2 good signings are Enrique and Suarez, Adam is ok and Bellamy offers a few minutes here and there.
I'm not aware that Kenny has bought any defenders so far, apart from Coates who is a junior player imo.

I do believe Enrique is a left back .


Players need time to adjust to a new club as well as expectations . Both Downing and Carroll IMO have shown they have ability to do well in the prem - both have scored goals and created goals but currently both are suffering with a massive loss of form and a very big lack of confidence - they maybe suffering arriving at a big club and need time to adjust .

Carroll arrived injured and didn't get over it fully for a while. You can see he is so low on confidence currently and we need to build it up .

So why didn't Young need time at Manure, or how about Parker at Spurs, or Aguero at Man City, plus I seem to recall both Torres and Suarez hitting the ground running for us when they joined, despite coming from different leagues. This argument about players needing time only applies to poor or young players (like Lucas). Established players with big price tags should be able to fit into the team and perform from day one, sure it might take time for them to get to 100% but they shouldn't be for a whole year before they remember how to cross a ball or score a goal!

worcester_red wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:

worcester_red wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:Downing and Carroll are, in my view, some of the worst players EVER to wear the shirt. That's 55 million...then there's Henderson who's at least 12 months away from being good enough for a regular start...that 70 million...then adam...78 million. Bang...best part of 100 million gone.

Brilliant, eh?  All building up to our battle with Stoke for 7th place


you haven't answered my question...name a Liverpool manager in our HISTORY who has wasted so much money

So it's not actually offical or anything then ?

It's just you declaring them flops ?

How did you go from 55 mil to 100 mil because Henderson is a flop because he is a young player still developing ? Very strange random logic.

I actually don't think any of them have flopped yet as they need minimum a season so no wasted money yet .

As for your question - Every single manager has wasted money on ayers who didnt work out.

why do Carrol and Downing need a season to get used to playing in the Prem, you'll have to explain that one to me, are they not supposed to be good players who were used to the pace of the prem etc?
I think Henderson has potential but at the moment he gives us very little, the only 2 good signings are Enrique and Suarez, Adam is ok and Bellamy offers a few minutes here and there.
I'm not aware that Kenny has bought any defenders so far, apart from Coates who is a junior player imo.

I do believe Enrique is a left back .


Players need time to adjust to a new club as well as expectations . Both Downing and Carroll IMO have shown they have ability to do well in the prem - both have scored goals and created goals but currently both are suffering with a massive loss of form and a very big lack of confidence - they maybe suffering arriving at a big club and need time to adjust .

Carroll arrived injured and didn't get over it fully for a while. You can see he is so low on confidence currently and we need to build it up .

So why didn't Young need time at Manure, or how about Parker at Spurs, or Aguero at Man City, plus I seem to recall both Torres and Suarez hitting the ground running for us when they joined, despite coming from different leagues. This argument about players needing time only applies to poor or young players (like Lucas). Established players with big price tags should be able to fit into the team and perform from day one, sure it might take time for them to get to 100% but they shouldn't be for a whole year before they remember how to cross a ball or score a goal!

Kerry07 wrote:As soon as you see the words "building stage", skip past the remainder of the post.

Theres nothing worse than cliches and baseless waffle.

We've already had the we're "buidling from the back" comment (as though thats been our first priority), when in actual fact the vast majority of the transfer cash has gone on forward players, and four of the back five (Reina, Johnson, Agger, Skrtel) are Rafa's players.

Both Penguins and Kewell are too negative (criticism extending way beyond the issue), while Benny is the complete opposite (its like reading a Paul Tomkins post.. Paul is a great writer btw... but the happy pills skew the content).


The fact is the methods are good.. there is no doubt about that. The game at Stoke was the first time in a year when i (like everyone) was baffled by a starting line up of 3 central defenders and a non scoring lone frontman. The only other criticism has been choice of personnel (mainly choosing Carroll ahead of Maxi..ie.the game at Fulham when the camera kept panning to Maxi on the bench, then panning to Kenny, followed by comments on Carroll). Overall the set up is good, we are indeed hard to beat as has been mentioned, the players are happy in the squad. The one downer has been the british signings, particularly the Carroll signing which has cast a shadow over the club, and is an issue in every radio station, tv show, fan forums, and press conference (where Kenny gets notably tetchy).. whenever he is mentioned. I'm desperate to see the back of him. Not just because hes not good enough and has never shown anything in his career, but mainly due to the complete contrast in his style of play to us which is very damaging (like a heavy metal guitarist in the middle of a classical orchestra... a fish out of water). A higher example is Ibrahimovic at Barca (its not really a good comparison as technique wise hes a class act), but he went there and lasted one season because his style of play was far too slow for the quick interchanging of Barca. He didnt fit in with the swift pass and move method of play, so he was offloaded 12 months after joining.

metalhead wrote:Best fans in the world.. Writing off a manager after a year in charge

Thats the answer- Keep changing managers!!!
Foolproof way to get success- Look at Chelsea and City and Fulham and Sunderland and whoever

Thommo's perm wrote:

metalhead wrote:Best fans in the world.. Writing off a manager after a year in charge

Thats the answer- Keep changing managers!!!
Foolproof way to get success- Look at Chelsea and City and Fulham and Sunderland and whoever

In fairness it seems to be working for City 

devaney wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:

Kerry07 wrote:As soon as you see the words "building stage", skip past the remainder of the post.

Theres nothing worse than cliches and baseless waffle.

We've already had the we're "buidling from the back" comment (as though thats been our first priority), when in actual fact the vast majority of the transfer cash has gone on forward players, and four of the back five (Reina, Johnson, Agger, Skrtel) are Rafa's players.

Both Penguins and Kewell are too negative (criticism extending way beyond the issue), while Benny is the complete opposite (its like reading a Paul Tomkins post.. Paul is a great writer btw... but the happy pills skew the content).


The fact is the methods are good.. there is no doubt about that. The game at Stoke was the first time in a year when i (like everyone) was baffled by a starting line up of 3 central defenders and a non scoring lone frontman. The only other criticism has been choice of personnel (mainly choosing Carroll ahead of Maxi..ie.the game at Fulham when the camera kept panning to Maxi on the bench, then panning to Kenny, followed by comments on Carroll). Overall the set up is good, we are indeed hard to beat as has been mentioned, the players are happy in the squad. The one downer has been the british signings, particularly the Carroll signing which has cast a shadow over the club, and is an issue in every radio station, tv show, fan forums, and press conference (where Kenny gets notably tetchy).. whenever he is mentioned. I'm desperate to see the back of him. Not just because hes not good enough and has never shown anything in his career, but mainly due to the complete contrast in his style of play to us which is very damaging (like a heavy metal guitarist in the middle of a classical orchestra... a fish out of water). A higher example is Ibrahimovic at Barca (its not really a good comparison as technique wise hes a class act), but he went there and lasted one season because his style of play was far too slow for the quick interchanging of Barca. He didnt fit in with the swift pass and move method of play, so he was offloaded 12 months after joining.

God your getting repetative , dull and boring.

We know your opinion on Carroll so lets change the record

Kerry you're just a WUM aren't you! 1991 was a bad year for LFC when the likes of you jumped on the glory trail.You actually have the audacity to accuse other members of being too negative. Read your own posts and take a reality check.

Quite simply you are the most negative,dull, moronic,boring whinging so-called member this forum has.You hardly ever have a positive thing to say about anybody.

Did you actually read her post or just jump on the bandwagon, yet again.
Plus if someone has been negative for 20 years does that not show a huge commitment to the club, I mean surely a "glory hunter" would have abandoned ship long ago?

worcester_red wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:

metalhead wrote:Best fans in the world.. Writing off a manager after a year in charge

Thats the answer- Keep changing managers!!!
Foolproof way to get success- Look at Chelsea and City and Fulham and Sunderland and whoever

In fairness it seems to be working for City 

worcester_red wrote:This argument about players needing time only applies to poor or young players (like Lucas). Established players with big price tags should be able to fit into the team and perform from day one, sure it might take time for them to get to 100% but they shouldn't be for a whole year before they remember how to cross a ball or score a goal!