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by **Greavesie** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:49 pm

Kerry07 wrote:
jacdaniel wrote:Sacking Kenny is not the answer although I do feel like Kenny, Comolli and the owners should sit down and discuss our transfer policy if they haven't done so already.

We need to be signing more players for the present and maybe looking outside England a bit more IMO.

"need to sign more players"... what we need to do is sign good players. We already signed plenty, they just havent been good enough.

I hear what some are saying in that we sack Kenny we have become Newcastle (managerial merry-go-round scenario). Kenny makes another batch of signings at the level of Carroll, Downing and Henderson, and we will become Newcastle.

Theres no way he will survive another poor transfer outlay. Houllier messed up just once (summer 2002) and that was the end of him.

We judge Kenny on what he is doing in 2011, 2012... not what he did in 1986, 1987.

dont be so bladdy stupid. Newcastle will lose their best players in the summer because of their owner or because they were stupid enough to put release clauses in everyone's contracts. They conduct themselves in a ridiculous manner and one we will never adopt, we ain't even close to becoming Newcastle

The main changes have been in the middle of the park, we've created shedload of chances every game and have the second best defensive record in the league behind Man City. How can people say every single one of these signings have been poor?

by **Kerry07** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:57 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:Not as embarrassing as fielding 8 defenders in a squad to play Stoke at Anfield and wasting the best part of 100 million on sh!te.

You say we risk becoming newcastle...well kenny has done that. he's transformed us into the Sh!t toon team he managed in the 90s with negative tactics and average dross

We beat Stoke last season with the same formation ( even had an extra defender on the pitch ) , bet you didn't cry and throw toys out when he did it then.

So you obviously want him out !

Who will replace him and how long would be get before your typing away that he should be fired !

Ps- Kenny took Newcastle to 2nd place I think .

Behave, that was Keegans team. "I'd love it" inexplicably left them after hammering Spurs 7-1 in Januray 1997. They were a quality side, easily the 2nd best in the country (should have won it).

Kenny's Newcastle started in summer 1997, and over the next 12 months he signed three strikers; Andreas Andersson, Jon Dahl Tomasson, Stephane Gui'varch.. and that was the end of Newcastle.

The rose tinted, kenny can do no wrong, clan cannot give an accurate assessment on his reign. Had i lived through his era i may have been afflicted by this too.

by **7_Kewell** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:59 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:Not as embarrassing as fielding 8 defenders in a squad to play Stoke at Anfield and wasting the best part of 100 million on sh!te.

You say we risk becoming newcastle...well kenny has done that. he's transformed us into the Sh!t toon team he managed in the 90s with negative tactics and average dross

We beat Stoke last season with the same formation ( even had an extra defender on the pitch ) , bet you didn't cry and throw toys out when he did it then.

So you obviously want him out !

Who will replace him and how long would be get before your typing away that he should be fired !

Ps- Kenny took Newcastle to 2nd place I think .

I don't want kenny sacked, i want Liverpool fc to be successful and i just can't see progress. instead i see all same failings he had at newcastle, when he spent loads of money of dross and took them into mid table obscurity. and you are right, he did finish 2nd...with keegan's team. he then brought in his own players (for millions) and finished 13th in the leAgue. sound familiar?

by **Kerry07** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:59 pm

Greavesie wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:
jacdaniel wrote:Sacking Kenny is not the answer although I do feel like Kenny, Comolli and the owners should sit down and discuss our transfer policy if they haven't done so already.

We need to be signing more players for the present and maybe looking outside England a bit more IMO.

"need to sign more players"... what we need to do is sign good players. We already signed plenty, they just havent been good enough.

I hear what some are saying in that we sack Kenny we have become Newcastle (managerial merry-go-round scenario). Kenny makes another batch of signings at the level of Carroll, Downing and Henderson, and we will become Newcastle.

Theres no way he will survive another poor transfer outlay. Houllier messed up just once (summer 2002) and that was the end of him.

We judge Kenny on what he is doing in 2011, 2012... not what he did in 1986, 1987.

dont be so bladdy stupid. Newcastle will lose their best players in the summer because of their owner or because they were stupid enough to put release clauses in everyone's contracts. They conduct themselves in a ridiculous manner and one we will never adopt, we ain't even close to becoming Newcastle

The main changes have been in the middle of the park, we've created shedload of chances every game and have the second best defensive record in the league behind Man City. How can people say every single one of these signings have been poor?

im talking about the standard (we sign more average players, we will be firmly rooted in mediocrity ala Newcastle)

As for the "we create shedloads of chances"... Downing 0 goals 0 assists, Carroll 4 goals 0 assists. Thats 55million right there.

by **Greavesie** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:00 pm

Kerry07 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:Not as embarrassing as fielding 8 defenders in a squad to play Stoke at Anfield and wasting the best part of 100 million on sh!te.

You say we risk becoming newcastle...well kenny has done that. he's transformed us into the Sh!t toon team he managed in the 90s with negative tactics and average dross

We beat Stoke last season with the same formation ( even had an extra defender on the pitch ) , bet you didn't cry and throw toys out when he did it then.

So you obviously want him out !

Who will replace him and how long would be get before your typing away that he should be fired !

Ps- Kenny took Newcastle to 2nd place I think .

Behave, that was Keegans team. "I'd love it" inexplicably left them after hammering Spurs 7-1 in Januray 1997. They were a quality side, easily the 2nd best in the country (should have won it).

Kenny's Newcastle started in summer 1997, and over the next 12 months he signed three strikers; Andreas Andersson, Jon Dahl Tomasson, Stephane Gui'varch.. and that was the end of Newcastle.

The rose tinted, kenny can do no wrong, clan cannot give an accurate assessment on his reign. Had i lived through his era i may have been afflicted by this too.

blaming Kenny for Newcastle's downfall is equally ridiculous. If they stuck by him things may have been better. It's difficult to bring in new managers and expect them to stick to previous philosophies and achieve the same results. This gets you about as far as where Chelsea are now...

Newcastle destroyed themselves, look at their treatment of Bobby Robson, that killed them, the constant managerial changes and airing dirty linen in public. They are and still are an absolute joke of a club

I'm also a little surprised at some criticising Kenny yet conceding in other threads we're a good finisher away from a CL place...

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:48 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:Not as embarrassing as fielding 8 defenders in a squad to play Stoke at Anfield and wasting the best part of 100 million on sh!te.

You say we risk becoming newcastle...well kenny has done that. he's transformed us into the Sh!t toon team he managed in the 90s with negative tactics and average dross

We beat Stoke last season with the same formation ( even had an extra defender on the pitch ) , bet you didn't cry and throw toys out when he did it then.

So you obviously want him out !

Who will replace him and how long would be get before your typing away that he should be fired !

Ps- Kenny took Newcastle to 2nd place I think .

I don't want kenny sacked, i want Liverpool fc to be successful and i just can't see progress. instead i see all same failings he had at newcastle, when he spent loads of money of dross and took them into mid table obscurity. and you are right, he did finish 2nd...with keegan's team. he then brought in his own players (for millions) and finished 13th in the leAgue. sound familiar?

So what would you like the club to do ?

by **Greavesie** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:53 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:Not as embarrassing as fielding 8 defenders in a squad to play Stoke at Anfield and wasting the best part of 100 million on sh!te.

You say we risk becoming newcastle...well kenny has done that. he's transformed us into the Sh!t toon team he managed in the 90s with negative tactics and average dross

We beat Stoke last season with the same formation ( even had an extra defender on the pitch ) , bet you didn't cry and throw toys out when he did it then.

So you obviously want him out !

Who will replace him and how long would be get before your typing away that he should be fired !

Ps- Kenny took Newcastle to 2nd place I think .

I don't want kenny sacked, i want Liverpool fc to be successful and i just can't see progress. instead i see all same failings he had at newcastle, when he spent loads of money of dross and took them into mid table obscurity. and you are right, he did finish 2nd...with keegan's team. he then brought in his own players (for millions) and finished 13th in the leAgue. sound familiar?

Roy?

Kerry, you've simply went on goals and assists from two players, the same two I agree have been poor signings. Go through the rest in terms of chances created rather than assists

by **stmichael** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:16 pm

jacdaniel wrote:We need to be signing more players for the present and maybe looking outside England a bit more IMO.

I couldn't give a monkey's where the players come from as long as they're good enough.

The whole "He's only played in this league" and "He's got Premier League experience" arguments are as futile as each other imo. Downing has Premier League experience and yet has hardly set the world on fire. I bet Arsenal fans were saying "well he's only played in the Dutch league" when they signed Van Persie.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:54 pm

Suarez rubbishes that argument too St.mick

there seems to be a few 'get rid of Kenny now' shouters on here but Kenny brings a stability to the whole club. The team may be in and out of form, up and down on performance levels but the club as a whole, the whole package, is by far more stable than it has been for 20 years.

that is worth a lot, a real lot. there must be loads of teams who would give anything for club stability.

Leave off Kenny, he's doing what he can and what he believes is right.

by **Kerry07** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:57 pm

Greavesie wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:Behave, that was Keegans team. "I'd love it" inexplicably left them after hammering Spurs 7-1 in Januray 1997. They were a quality side, easily the 2nd best in the country (should have won it).

Kenny's Newcastle started in summer 1997, and over the next 12 months he signed three strikers; Andreas Andersson, Jon Dahl Tomasson, Stephane Gui'varch.. and that was the end of Newcastle.

The rose tinted, kenny can do no wrong, clan cannot give an accurate assessment on his reign. Had i lived through his era i may have been afflicted by this too.

blaming Kenny for Newcastle's downfall is equally ridiculous. If they stuck by him things may have been better. It's difficult to bring in new managers and expect them to stick to previous philosophies and achieve the same results. This gets you about as far as where Chelsea are now...

Newcastle destroyed themselves, look at their treatment of Bobby Robson, that killed them, the constant managerial changes and airing dirty linen in public. They are and still are an absolute joke of a club

I'm also a little surprised at some criticising Kenny yet conceding in other threads we're a good finisher away from a CL place...

No one said he (singular) was responsible for Newcastle's downfall. He was partly responsible. He signed badly and broke the run they had of having great attacking players. Newcastle became mediocre in the space of 1 season. From 2nd with Keegan's team in 1997, to 13th with Kenny's in 1998. As well as signing three expensive fowards; Andreas Andersson, Jon Dahl Tomasson, Stephane Guiv'arch, Kenny also brought 36 year olds Barnes and Rush. We love Kenny at Liverpool, just dont mention his name on Tyneside.

This is beside the point (what Kenny did at Newcastle has no bearing on us)..i only mentioned them as someone previously tried to attach Kenny to Newcastle success.

by **Kerry07** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:03 pm

Greavesie wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:Not as embarrassing as fielding 8 defenders in a squad to play Stoke at Anfield and wasting the best part of 100 million on sh!te.

You say we risk becoming newcastle...well kenny has done that. he's transformed us into the Sh!t toon team he managed in the 90s with negative tactics and average dross

We beat Stoke last season with the same formation ( even had an extra defender on the pitch ) , bet you didn't cry and throw toys out when he did it then.

So you obviously want him out !

Who will replace him and how long would be get before your typing away that he should be fired !

Ps- Kenny took Newcastle to 2nd place I think .

I don't want kenny sacked, i want Liverpool fc to be successful and i just can't see progress. instead i see all same failings he had at newcastle, when he spent loads of money of dross and took them into mid table obscurity. and you are right, he did finish 2nd...with keegan's team. he then brought in his own players (for millions) and finished 13th in the leAgue. sound familiar?

Roy?

Kerry, you've simply went on goals and assists from two players, the same two I agree have been poor signings. Go through the rest in terms of chances created rather than assists

But the two players i mentioned (Carroll, Downing) are the subject (Henderson also). We aren't debating any others.

I've only ever focused on Kenny's british signings, everything else (bar playing three central defenders and a lone non scoring forward against Stoke, and starting Carroll in games in place of Maxi) i havent got a problem with. Kenny's methods have been good thus far, his british signings have been awful.

No one has even hinted at Kenny losing his job so i dont know why some are seeing comments on our current predicament as suggesting he should go.

by **Homebooby** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:05 pm

Kerry07 wrote:The rose tinted, kenny can do no wrong, clan cannot give an accurate assessment on his reign. Had i lived through his era i may have been afflicted by this too.

As a matter of interest, when did you become a liverpool fan and what was it that attracted you to the club in the first place?

I am genuinely not trying to pick a fight, but you seem to highlight that you are someone who picked up on the club after its' golden era. Am curious how this experience today differs from then.

Thanks in advance

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:16 pm

I think you also have to remember how many changes have taken place in the first team in the last 12 months.

Most teams add maybe 1 or 2 players a year that will be in the first team which means the core of the team is uneffected. We have half of our team that is new, all of them trying to find their feet at one of the biggest clubs in the world. That has got to be hard.

On top of that we have a new manager and coaching team bringing new ideas to the team which will even effect the established players.

I have said it on a number of occasions but we are a work in progress and due to the amount of changes that is going to take some time.

I dont think anyone would disagree that most of our play has improved. Pass and move is on its way back. The defence is pretty ruthless, chances created are up as high as anyone else in the league and we are only 5 points off 4th. We should be feeling pretty positive.

I think we will bring in a goal scorer this month and if "he" clicks then we are going to start to fly. There is more things that are right currently than there is wrong. Good owners, good team spirit, a manager who understands the club and a spine of players who are good enough to move forward.

Walk on

by **Kerry07** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:18 pm

Homebooby wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:The rose tinted, kenny can do no wrong, clan cannot give an accurate assessment on his reign. Had i lived through his era i may have been afflicted by this too.

As a matter of interest, when did you become a liverpool fan and what was it that attracted you to the club in the first place?

I am genuinely not trying to pick a fight, but you seem to highlight that you are someone who picked up on the club after its' golden era. Am curious how this experience today differs from then.

Thanks in advance

1991.. oddly enough in Kenny's last game (4-4)

Not blinded by someones status for one. Kenny is beyond reproach for many. What Kenny Dalglish did 25 years ago shouldn't enter your head when making an assessment about him in 2012. I read a comment after the Stoke game... "sorry guys and i know its Kenny, but he got that wrong today", sums up the bias. "I KNOW ITS KENNY".. as though any critique has to be justfied.

I should state, i am 100% behind Kenny. Not once have i questioned his position, merely the 70 million outlay on poor british signings. The main annoyance comes from his underachieving this season. Where we were at Fulham last season, we should have maintained. It was like the red arrows that night, wave after wave of attack, great interplay.. Suarez, Meireles, Maxi (add Gerrard, Bellamy, and a genuine world class 35m striker to that).. and suddenly you are looking at a very potent line up. When you stick a slow foward with poor control, Carroll, much of that play goes out the window, as happened this season at Fulham.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:19 pm

thats it, Kenny understands this club. It's a work in progress, we knew this 12 months ago and it still stands. Kenny is rebuilding us but also securing us for the future, with or without him. he is giving us sound solid foundations for success. if ya don't like it and demand instant success then get yersen over to Barca.

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