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by **roberto green** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:28 pm

[url=http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/brian-reade/Liverpool-fans-must-back-new-owners-by-laying-off-caretaker-Roy-Hodgson-article652751.html

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Kop must back new owners...by laying off 'caretaker' Roy
By Brian Reade

Published 23:02 17/12/10

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Before games at Anfield a huge flag is passed across the Kop bearing the faces of every managerial legend since Shankly.

Right now, the chances of the flag’s owner asking his mum to help him sew on a drawing of Roy Hodgson’s kipper are close to nil.

It’s not because Hodgson is a bad person (he actually hates the same right-wing figures most Liverpudlians do), is a lazy coach (he’s out at every training session putting players through their paces) or has done one big thing wrong in the six months he’s been in charge (Christian Poulsen excepted).

It’s that he’s never looked like a Liverpool manager (the face-rubbing hamster impression really has got to stop before it ends up on the BBC’s Walk On The Wild Side, with a Jason Manford voiceover saying, “Wodda we gunna do now Sammy, wodda we gunna do now?”)

And he’s never sounded like one: “Newcastle are notoriously difficult to beat at home,” he said after last weekend’s abject surrender to a team who have already been beaten at St James’ Park this season by Blackpool, Stoke and Blackburn.

That’s because, strictly speaking, he isn’t a Liverpool manager. He’s a Liverpool caretaker manager. He is Ronnie Moran, with a similarly uninspiring record.

He was appointed by two City figures not because of who he was but who he wasn’t: Rafa Benitez. Martin Broughton and Christian Purslow didn’t want a Spaniard in the works as they tried to sell the club so replaced him with someone who would toe the party line.

Hodgson knew all this when he was offered the job. Yet still took it, despite being given a short-term contract, no decent transfer budget and being barred from overhauling the coaching staff.

He clearly thought he had nothing to lose and everything to gain. Show you can take Liverpool to where they want to be and he’ll keep the job long-term. Instead he’s taken them back to where he used to be with Fulham. Which is why, unless there is a miraculous upturn in performances, he won’t even keep that job medium-term.

It’s easy to see why many fans want him sacked immediately. But what would that achieve apart from more instability? Did they sack Moran during his 10-game caretaker phase back in 1991? Or did they let him keep things ticking over until they found their new man?

That’s what these new owners are doing and painful as it is to watch, fans should back them. The 44-month Hicks and Gillett reign holed this club below the water and it has yet to stop sinking.

A proper, thought-out strategy is needed to get them back to the top. It would be easy for new owners to court popularity by sacking an unloved manager (look at Blackburn) which is probably what Tom Hicks would have done.

But if I’m reading them correctly, John Henry and Tom Werner are taking advice and taking their time to find the best available coach to help deliver their long-term vision for the club.

That is the right decision. Until they find him, or until Hodgson hits a disastrous, confidence-crippling run of results and there is no alternative but to draft in another caretaker like Kenny Dalglish or Phil Thompson, Liverpudlians have to stay patient and do what they’ve always done – back the manager.

It’s not about giving Hodgson a chance to prove himself, it’s about giving the owners a chance.

After rescuing Liverpool from the death-grip of Hicks and Gillett, a chance is the least they deserve.

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by **metalhead** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:30 pm

Fauxy wrote:Found this on rawk.

A poster on another forum posted this email that he claimed he received from a coach in the academy:-

"• The flipchart from the players meeting is 100% genuine – it wasn’t in a Newcastle hotel as it was here before they left.
• Someone who witnessed the meeting said it was the most amateurish team meeting they have been in ever.
• Kelly spent his time swearing and urging Kyriagos and Skrtel to ‘rough up’ Andy Carroll – the players are used to more detailed information such as which foot he favours etc. The swearing, as fackin this and fackin that, doesn’t go down well in a professional environment with the players

• Before the Blackpool game the scouts reports (the guys who go and watch the opposition) all outlined that if you stop Charlie Adam then you stop Blackpool – he needs time and space to dictate the play and he pulls the strings for the Blackpool front 3 – Roy basically ignored them and in the briefing meetings when he was advised to close down Adams he said ‘Why? My teams don’t do that’. He then went out with his regimented 4-4-2 and wondered why Blackpool out passed us and destroyed us in the final third of the pitch.

• Roy was presented with scouting reports of recent Newcastle performances in a meeting with scouts and Damian Commolli (oh and the swearing big, old, fat cockney Kelly). Roy actually commented that he had never seen reports with so much detail and specific information about each of the opposition players and how they played. But then said ‘But what do you want me to do with them?’

• The reports started off by highlighting how the Newcastle full backs play higher up the pitch and leave spaces in behind them to exploit. Roy said ‘so what’. It was suggested to him that the wide players may wish to get men and the ball in that area and look to get crosses in to the box – ‘We don’t play that way!’

• They showed how Newcastle launch attacks from the high up fullbacks aiming diagonal balls into Carroll. Roy was urged to get his wide men to push on the full backs and not allow them the time to get their arrowed balls into Carroll – We don’t play that way!’

• At this point Commolli quietly urged the scouts to leave it and not push it any further.

• Hodgson and Kelly have built up a serious and nasty hatred for Torres and Reina – it has all come one way but has now started to return from the Spaniards.

• Mike Kelly spends his time slating the players and doesn’t have a good word to say about any of them

Hodgson is feeling that he is not getting anywhere near the credit he should be 'for guiding this squad so easily through the Europa League'.

He has tactically took a group of young players and also rans and sailed through against full strength sides.

'Facking ell, facking ell - no one is giving me the credit I deserve for the European efforts'

He is also not happy that John Henry is in many discussions with Commolli and not Roy.

Big arguments between staff brought in by Hodgson and those already at the club about footballing philosophys.

Ex Fulham coach on the virtues of their methods and Liverpool coaches desperately trying to tell them 'but we are not Fulham'

civil war in there"

I also received this too, but from my cousin's friend whose friend works as a water boy down at Melwood

Its true!

by **parchpea** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:33 pm

Writings on the wall for Hodgson and its when not if now. Things are bad when even the Echo is putting the boot in. Comolli is getting more and more attention and lets face it Hodgson wont be happy with the arrangements there no matter what he says in public. You can see by his body language its getting too him then we have insiders breaking ranks and leaking info as posted here. Owners never backed him once on that phone in either which he will be fuming about. Place your bets when the axe will fall is all thats left with him now.

by **roberto green** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:37 pm

parchpea wrote:Writings on the wall for Hodgson and its when not if now. Things are bad when even the Echo is putting the boot in. Comolli is getting more and more attention and lets face it Hodgson wont be happy with the arrangements there no matter what he says in public. You can see by his body language its getting too him then we have insiders breaking ranks and leaking info as posted here. Owners never backed him once on that phone in either which he will be fuming about. Place your bets when the axe will fall is all thats left with him now.

They won't be harsh enough to do it before Xmas, wait untill Jan the 1st, In with the new....

by **Kharhaz** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:00 am

The writing will be on the wall towards the end of the season if after spending NESV's money on players and failing to deliver, then they will more than likely make a decision then. To sack him before the transfer window without getting a manager in to decide what players are needed would be daft.

by **Fauxy** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:38 am

Kharhaz wrote:The writing will be on the wall towards the end of the season if after spending NESV's money on players and failing to deliver, then they will more than likely make a decision then. To sack him before the transfer window without getting a manager in to decide what players are needed would be daft.

Not really, Hodgson wasnt their choice was he?

After the damage hes done so far if I was Tom Henry I would NOT trust Hodgson with my money.

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:47 am

Kharhaz wrote:The writing will be on the wall towards the end of the season if after spending NESV's money on players and failing to deliver, then they will more than likely make a decision then. To sack him before the transfer window without getting a manager in to decide what players are needed would be daft.

Let him near a tranfer window good god . mind you find me a window an ill push him out . to the tune of Orville ,if i could fly

by **Ciggy** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:59 am

NANNY RED wrote:Let him near a tranfer window good god . mind you find me a window an ill push him out . to the tune of Orville ,if i could fly

Was thinkin before why they havent got rid yet, maybe Im being a bit of a conspiracy theorist here, but with this court case with Twit & Tw@t in February maybe its in NESV best interest if we are not in the top 4 when the club would be worth more?

I duno i just cant figure out why they havent got shut?

by **Kharhaz** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:03 am

They have said themselves that Roy inherited this squad, he didn't build it.

by **Ciggy** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:05 am

Kharhaz wrote:They have said themselves that Roy inherited this squad, he didn't build it.

Look at the sh!te hes left Mark Hughes with :glare:

if you want to blame what hes been left with.

by **Kharhaz** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:10 am

Ciggy wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:They have said themselves that Roy inherited this squad, he didn't build it.

Look at the sh!te hes left Mark Hughes with if you want to blame what hes been left with.

Dont jump on my back, the owners said it.

by **Ciggy** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:12 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:They have said themselves that Roy inherited this squad, he didn't build it.

Look at the sh!te hes left Mark Hughes with if you want to blame what hes been left with.

Dont jump on my back, the owners said it.

Wrong he keeps saying it !!!

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:37 am

If that post is true then Hodgson needs to :censored:

off asap.

by **shabelle50** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:57 am

roberto green wrote:
parchpea wrote:Writings on the wall for Hodgson and its when not if now. Things are bad when even the Echo is putting the boot in. Comolli is getting more and more attention and lets face it Hodgson wont be happy with the arrangements there no matter what he says in public. You can see by his body language its getting too him then we have insiders breaking ranks and leaking info as posted here. Owners never backed him once on that phone in either which he will be fuming about. Place your bets when the axe will fall is all thats left with him now.

They won't be harsh enough to do it before Xmas, wait untill Jan the 1st, In with the new....

He may survive until the end of the season but if the team aren't in the top 7 come the New Year and a defeat at Old Trafford in the cup and an early exit in the Europa will surely mean the owners will say thanks but no thanks Woy before May.

Having said that logically they would then have to put Kenny or Sammy Lee in charge for the last few games so they may just let Woy drag it out till the end of the season.

I can't see the January window making any difference at all in fact I doubt anyone will be signed. The question is will Torres and Reina leave the club in the summer or can the club get someone decent in which would enable them to stay?

by **Kharhaz** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:13 am

Woy?

We still acting like babies?

Seriously, grow the fuck up.

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