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[Emerald Red]

“The goalless draw against Utrecht in the Europa League on Wednesday confirmed that Hodgson's cautious tactics and conservative attitude have permeated the whole squad: because he picked a second-string team and the football was as unambitious and unexciting as it is when the first XI take to the field.

This. Thank f*ck someone out there noticed it too. If the reserves are playing football that's virtually on par with the first team, and not in a good way, then what does tell you?

[Emerald Red]

They are finally starting to twig.


http://www.sport.co.uk/news....m_.aspx

Tony Cascarino has lambasted Roy Hodgson’s managerial reign at Anfield, suggesting the under-fire Liverpool boss is failing the club’s rich footballing traditions.

The former Republic of Ireland international claims the results under the ex-Fulham manager have not been good enough, but even more alarmingly for the club’s fans, are the manner in which these poor results have been achieved.

Citing the drab 0-0 draw against Utrecht on Wednesday night, the much maligned football pundit believes Hodgson’s tactics are far too similar to those he implemented at Craven Cottage, and criticises him for turning the footballing institution that is Liverpool into a “bigger-budget Fulham”.

Cascarino told the Times: “Any Liverpool manager has a duty to play with a certain style: fluent, attractive, attacking, passing football.

“Roy Hodgson is not only failing with the results, he's failing in his duty to the club's traditions and to the fans, and that's a pretty serious combination. If you haven't got style, you at least need results.

“The goalless draw against Utrecht in the Europa League on Wednesday confirmed that Hodgson's cautious tactics and conservative attitude have permeated the whole squad: because he picked a second-string team and the football was as unambitious and unexciting as it is when the first XI take to the field.

He continued: “Nine away games, one win and six losses is dreadful. That's relegation form, and even if you could argue that Liverpool no longer have a squad good enough for the top four, they ought to be challenging for the top six.

“It's not a new problem for Hodgson. With Fulham his record was: 2008-09, three away league wins; 2009-10, one away league win. It has to be the manager's tactics.

“Hodgson has quickly turned Liverpool into a bigger-budget Fulham: they go out, away from home, not to lose. They should be going out to win.

“Imagine Manchester United or Arsenal playing such dull football, given their reputation and past success.

“It wouldn't be tolerated. Nor should it be at Anfield even if the club isn't the force it once was.

“That's no excuse for failing to entertain and failing to act like the big team Liverpool still are.

He added: “Hodgson remains inflexible, conservative, old-fashioned.”

Tony who?

You don't know who Tony Cascarino is?

Played for Ireland, Chelsea, Villa and a few French sides. I think he played for Celtic too. Anyway, he was a decent centre forward, especially in France.

[SouthCoastShankly]

listen people may laugh at roys expressions and habits. To me least it shows passion and that he fecking cares. Maybe if our so called stars showed the same grit and determination during matches we wouldnt be in this mess in the first place. Nando are you listening?

Yep. It's all Torres' fault, folks. We're playing dung, minus goal difference, relegation zones, terrible defending in the box from set pieces. It's all "Nando's" fault. The man clearly can't be ar$sed defending and playing through balls to himself.

Oh you mean like the two through balls he's had when he is was one on one with the kepper and fluffing both chances?

You're a laugh. How many has Torres scored for us, yet you single out two chances that he's fluffed? Yeah, you're right - he's sh*t. Flog him. Overrated, lazy so and so that Torres!

Torres isn't the cause of this mess but he does play a significant factor. He has been off form a lot, it is more than two chances missed.

The forum as a whole on average rate him outside of the top ten performers. It's hardly normal.

[Thommo's perm]

Roy is clearly a dead man walking. Depending on who you listen to he is an owl faced, boring arl, negative, small minded, small club, middle of the table out of his depth, cant win an away game gobsh'ite. The truth is he has never been given a fair crack of the whip and has been under immense pressure from day one for reasons well documented on here. Every phone in and chat show now has the same theme: how long will he survive? There have been varying interpretations of everything anyone with an opinion has said and all with the same outcome: he has to go.
The only doubt remaining is when. I dare say it will not matter if he does qualify for the CL or win a cup. Those with the loudest voices have now got the support of the sheep among us and Hodgsons mistakes, errors and virtually every trivial thing he does has now become a weapon against him or evidence to prove why the doubters are right.
Who should replace him? Not Kenny, who has been out of management for far too long and has a history of bailing when hes had enough. Definitely not Benitez who is busy fighting his own demons and attempting without much success at the moment to rebuild his tarnished reputation.
So who is this messiah who will wave his wand and turn sh'it into gold for us? Whoever he is he will have to wait until next season because I dont believe the owners will sack Roy unless it becomes clear that they have to

you shouldnt allow yourself to get so worked up defending roy.
yes every phone in,forum and chat show are on roys back slating his tactics and abilities and credentials.that comes with being the manager of a top club and is part of the parcel,especially when the results arent being delivered.
the players cop stick also for lacklustre performances and rightly so but the buck ultimately stops with the gaffer.
last year was disastrous,the club imploded,manager and board members at war and benitez allowed this to affect his performances and got the boot,the ship needed steadying we were told until the club got sold,they appointed roy as an interim manager.
6 mths in and the players are still underperforming,results are terrible,league position is unacceptable and the performances are absolutely dire.there is little or no improvement under roy.
kenny has been out of management for a while yes,but not out of football.the man is a winner as a player and a manager and that is something you never forget.maybe an older wiser kenny is what we need.
not sure who the new messiah will be but what i am sure of is that if he has us serving up the same sh1t the fans will call for his head too.it's fickle but thats football for you.
hodgson never got the full support of the fans because they felt that his away record would be poor,he was negative,small minded and out of his depth.
so far there isnt enough evidence to prove fans wrong.

Dont worry mate Im not getting worked up. Calm as a cucumber actually.
I dont think I am defending him. I am merely taking a different perspective to the hysterical Roy haters. We are in the knockout stages of a european cup, we have the fa cup to come and we are are 9th in the league with a possibility of being in the top six after christmas. I would call that steadying the ship. It could and possibly should have been a lot, lot worse.
OK I agree  most of the performances have been cr@p, some of his signings have been sh'ite and he has said some silly things. But really, has there been any need for the treatment he has got/is getting? People are frothing at he mouth, saying it is totally unacceptable what is happening. What do people seriously expect after the last few years weve had? I would never settle for second best, but I am a realist and my hopes and aspirations are dictated by the possibilities of what we can achieve.
As I said, I believe hes a dead man walking no matter what happens...

[Emerald Red]

listen people may laugh at roys expressions and habits. To me least it shows passion and that he fecking cares. Maybe if our so called stars showed the same grit and determination during matches we wouldnt be in this mess in the first place. Nando are you listening?

Yep. It's all Torres' fault, folks. We're playing dung, minus goal difference, relegation zones, terrible defending in the box from set pieces. It's all "Nando's" fault. The man clearly can't be ar$sed defending and playing through balls to himself.

Oh you mean like the two through balls he's had when he is was one on one with the kepper and fluffing both chances?

You're a laugh. How many has Torres scored for us, yet you single out two chances that he's fluffed? Yeah, you're right - he's sh*t. Flog him. Overrated, lazy so and so that Torres!

Torres isn't the cause of this mess but he does play a significant factor. He has been off form a lot, it is more than two chances missed.

The forum as a whole on average rate him outside of the top ten performers. It's hardly normal.

Who rates him outside the top 10 of what? Torres would be double figures by now had he had the service. Obviously if you starve a striker of service, his confidence is going to be dented. Most of his best work this season has come from the channels, but he's being forced out there seeing that he's had to play with his back to goal 10 yards outside the box.

[Thommo's perm]

They are finally starting to twig.


http://www.sport.co.uk/news....m_.aspx

Tony Cascarino has lambasted Roy Hodgson’s managerial reign at Anfield, suggesting the under-fire Liverpool boss is failing the club’s rich footballing traditions.

The former Republic of Ireland international claims the results under the ex-Fulham manager have not been good enough, but even more alarmingly for the club’s fans, are the manner in which these poor results have been achieved.

Citing the drab 0-0 draw against Utrecht on Wednesday night, the much maligned football pundit believes Hodgson’s tactics are far too similar to those he implemented at Craven Cottage, and criticises him for turning the footballing institution that is Liverpool into a “bigger-budget Fulham”.

Cascarino told the Times: “Any Liverpool manager has a duty to play with a certain style: fluent, attractive, attacking, passing football.

“Roy Hodgson is not only failing with the results, he's failing in his duty to the club's traditions and to the fans, and that's a pretty serious combination. If you haven't got style, you at least need results.

“The goalless draw against Utrecht in the Europa League on Wednesday confirmed that Hodgson's cautious tactics and conservative attitude have permeated the whole squad: because he picked a second-string team and the football was as unambitious and unexciting as it is when the first XI take to the field.

He continued: “Nine away games, one win and six losses is dreadful. That's relegation form, and even if you could argue that Liverpool no longer have a squad good enough for the top four, they ought to be challenging for the top six.

“It's not a new problem for Hodgson. With Fulham his record was: 2008-09, three away league wins; 2009-10, one away league win. It has to be the manager's tactics.

“Hodgson has quickly turned Liverpool into a bigger-budget Fulham: they go out, away from home, not to lose. They should be going out to win.

“Imagine Manchester United or Arsenal playing such dull football, given their reputation and past success.

“It wouldn't be tolerated. Nor should it be at Anfield even if the club isn't the force it once was.

“That's no excuse for failing to entertain and failing to act like the big team Liverpool still are.

He added: “Hodgson remains inflexible, conservative, old-fashioned.”

The first person whos opinion I look for regarding serious issues in football is that well known expert and absolute sense talker named.....Tony (hes got no Irish relatives) Cascarino

Do us a favour cig, dont scrape so low in the barrell next time

[worcester_red]

listen people may laugh at roys expressions and habits. To me least it shows passion and that he fecking cares. Maybe if our so called stars showed the same grit and determination during matches we wouldnt be in this mess in the first place. Nando are you listening?

Yep. It's all Torres' fault, folks. We're playing dung, minus goal difference, relegation zones, terrible defending in the box from set pieces. It's all "Nando's" fault. The man clearly can't be ar$sed defending and playing through balls to himself.

Oh you mean like the two through balls he's had when he is was one on one with the kepper and fluffing both chances?

You're a laugh. How many has Torres scored for us, yet you single out two chances that he's fluffed? Yeah, you're right - he's sh*t. Flog him. Overrated, lazy so and so that Torres!

Torres was fantastic and I'm sure he will be fantastic again but perhaps not with us, certainly at the moment he is playing utter , you can't deny that. He is getting the chances and fecking them up.

[rocky29]

torres could sit with his arms folded and legs crossed in the penalty area during a match and people on here would still make up excuses for him.

[Ben Patrick]

They are finally starting to twig.


http://www.sport.co.uk/news....m_.aspx

Tony Cascarino has lambasted Roy Hodgson’s managerial reign at Anfield, suggesting the under-fire Liverpool boss is failing the club’s rich footballing traditions.

The former Republic of Ireland international claims the results under the ex-Fulham manager have not been good enough, but even more alarmingly for the club’s fans, are the manner in which these poor results have been achieved.

Citing the drab 0-0 draw against Utrecht on Wednesday night, the much maligned football pundit believes Hodgson’s tactics are far too similar to those he implemented at Craven Cottage, and criticises him for turning the footballing institution that is Liverpool into a “bigger-budget Fulham”.

Cascarino told the Times: “Any Liverpool manager has a duty to play with a certain style: fluent, attractive, attacking, passing football.

“Roy Hodgson is not only failing with the results, he's failing in his duty to the club's traditions and to the fans, and that's a pretty serious combination. If you haven't got style, you at least need results.

“The goalless draw against Utrecht in the Europa League on Wednesday confirmed that Hodgson's cautious tactics and conservative attitude have permeated the whole squad: because he picked a second-string team and the football was as unambitious and unexciting as it is when the first XI take to the field.

He continued: “Nine away games, one win and six losses is dreadful. That's relegation form, and even if you could argue that Liverpool no longer have a squad good enough for the top four, they ought to be challenging for the top six.

“It's not a new problem for Hodgson. With Fulham his record was: 2008-09, three away league wins; 2009-10, one away league win. It has to be the manager's tactics.

“Hodgson has quickly turned Liverpool into a bigger-budget Fulham: they go out, away from home, not to lose. They should be going out to win.

“Imagine Manchester United or Arsenal playing such dull football, given their reputation and past success.

“It wouldn't be tolerated. Nor should it be at Anfield even if the club isn't the force it once was.

“That's no excuse for failing to entertain and failing to act like the big team Liverpool still are.

He added: “Hodgson remains inflexible, conservative, old-fashioned.”

Tony who?

You don't know who Tony Cascarino is?

Played for Ireland, Chelsea, Villa and a few French sides. I think he played for Celtic too. Anyway, he was a decent centre forward, especially in France.

if tony cascarino would have criticised Rafa last season people on here would have kicked off saying who the feck are you.

what's the difference now ?

[andy_g]

apart from a few games in the 'almost won it' season, and the odd games like the real madrid one and united away, we've been playing too much dire, unattractive football for way too long. first we had rafa's style of predominantly unattractive football and now we have roy's style of predominantly unattractive football. sometimes i get the hope that our style of football is improving and a general determination to play 4-4-2 is contributing to that, even though when we play it away its about 30 yards too close to our own goal line.

[Roger Red Hat]

Tony Casca-fuking-rino? you couldn't make it up. Well, not in the real world anyway. Maybe in Ciggyland ya could.

What a whopper 

[Ring-of-Fire]

I know - let's all wait and see how long Hodgson is here for and how low he takes us. Currently, the worst has been 18th (if memory serves). Let's see if he can make it 20th before he's booted out on his ear by the owners.

[Emerald Red]

They are finally starting to twig.


http://www.sport.co.uk/news....m_.aspx

Tony Cascarino has lambasted Roy Hodgson’s managerial reign at Anfield, suggesting the under-fire Liverpool boss is failing the club’s rich footballing traditions.

The former Republic of Ireland international claims the results under the ex-Fulham manager have not been good enough, but even more alarmingly for the club’s fans, are the manner in which these poor results have been achieved.

Citing the drab 0-0 draw against Utrecht on Wednesday night, the much maligned football pundit believes Hodgson’s tactics are far too similar to those he implemented at Craven Cottage, and criticises him for turning the footballing institution that is Liverpool into a “bigger-budget Fulham”.

Cascarino told the Times: “Any Liverpool manager has a duty to play with a certain style: fluent, attractive, attacking, passing football.

“Roy Hodgson is not only failing with the results, he's failing in his duty to the club's traditions and to the fans, and that's a pretty serious combination. If you haven't got style, you at least need results.

“The goalless draw against Utrecht in the Europa League on Wednesday confirmed that Hodgson's cautious tactics and conservative attitude have permeated the whole squad: because he picked a second-string team and the football was as unambitious and unexciting as it is when the first XI take to the field.

He continued: “Nine away games, one win and six losses is dreadful. That's relegation form, and even if you could argue that Liverpool no longer have a squad good enough for the top four, they ought to be challenging for the top six.

“It's not a new problem for Hodgson. With Fulham his record was: 2008-09, three away league wins; 2009-10, one away league win. It has to be the manager's tactics.

“Hodgson has quickly turned Liverpool into a bigger-budget Fulham: they go out, away from home, not to lose. They should be going out to win.

“Imagine Manchester United or Arsenal playing such dull football, given their reputation and past success.

“It wouldn't be tolerated. Nor should it be at Anfield even if the club isn't the force it once was.

“That's no excuse for failing to entertain and failing to act like the big team Liverpool still are.

He added: “Hodgson remains inflexible, conservative, old-fashioned.”

Tony who?

You don't know who Tony Cascarino is?

Played for Ireland, Chelsea, Villa and a few French sides. I think he played for Celtic too. Anyway, he was a decent centre forward, especially in France.

if tony cascarino would have criticised Rafa last season people on here would have kicked off saying who the feck are you.

what's the difference now ?

Cascarino talks balls most of the time, but the fact is, he didn't open his mouth last season and what he's saying here is on the money. Most people that read his article agree. The previous few seasons Benitez was getting it from all angles in the media. This is the real first piece on Hodgson that's really condemned his methods. Parity as a word, it seems, isn't in the English media's dictionary.

[LFC2007]

Cascarino's spot on except where he says that:

“Hodgson has quickly turned Liverpool into a bigger-budget Fulham: they go out, away from home, not to lose. They should be going out to win."

True, Roy so far hasn't managed to arrest the decline but neither was he was responsible for instigating that decline. The absence of "fluent, attractive, passing football" and the lack of ambition away from home is broadly a continuation of the football we've played over the past 18 months, so there's nothing sudden or "quick" about it. You can fault Roy for a lot of things, but not our entire transformation from title-challengers to also-rans.

[Ciggy]

if tony cascarino would have criticised Rafa last season people on here would have kicked off saying who the feck are you.

what's the difference now ?

Typical responses from the usual suspects thommos Perm, you, Lee J, just waiting for Rocky and Kewell to arrive and totally dissmiss the article and have a go at me, why not comment on the article I didnt write it, if you disagree say why, if you agree with it say why.

He did critise Rafa a lot, but the article is about Roy and a few weeks ago he was another up Roys hole, the tide is turning them in the media are starting to regret getting the Hodge the job !!!

Even Prentice a bluenose slates The Hodge in The Echo it must come to something when a bluenose journo is having a go dont you think?