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by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:02 pm

Doesn't bode well for Mourinho ...Madrid's task masters are notorious for taking these kind of absolute drubbings totally out of context and acting impulsively...I mean its not as if the result has been close .... Barcelona have just taken the piss .....
Worst Madrid performance I've ever seen ....losing the much vaunted Madrid Derby 5-0 not many managers have been humiliated to that extent :glare:

by **andy_g** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:06 pm

wow! even on a crappy stream that was one of the most compelling matches i've ever seen. i can't work out how barca manage to play such intricate passing at such a fast pace, and neither can i work out how messi superglues the ball to his laces without anyone noticing. probably the best team performance i've ever seen and such fun to see madrid completely unravelling. this barca team deserves to win everything there is to win. and to think that at point 9 of their players on the pitch had come through the academy.

by **metalhead** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:08 pm

Barcelona made Real Madrid look like amateurs today, unbelievable.

What about this lad Messi eh? unbelievable today, ripped into Real Madrid it was a Madrid massacre. As great is Messi, he won't be better than Zidane, but hell he is close!

Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets dominated, made Khedira and Alonso look like pub players.

Mourinho looks like a f*cking clown after this game, has a team of world class individuals and got raped

by **metalhead** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:11 pm

andy_g wrote:. this barca team deserves to win everything there is to win. and to think that at point 9 of their players on the pitch had come through the academy.

Thats the difference between two teams mate, Real Madrid will never have the success Barca have if they don't produce from their own academy. Real buy world class individuals, they don't produce them and thats why I think they will win f*ck all because they really don't have players who are taught and bread in Madrid, players who breath Real, not like Barca, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquet, Puyol and Pique play for the shirt, they looked more determined today and that is why they will always be above their nemesis.

by **Dundalk** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:11 pm

Fantastic game of football

They are on a different planet, loved watching that

by **burjennio** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:15 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
burjennio wrote:people go on about how messi has never scored against a mourinho team. he has been absolutley outstanding here, ran the whole show. you can kick him, double team him and man mark him, but if he aint gonna score he will make sure someone else will. thats why hes the best player of an entire generation

when he retires i have no doubt that he will be regarded as the greatest ever.
For me at this moment it would be Maradona because of mexico 86 but Messi does it so often and is still only young.

To me its still Maradona too until he lifts the World Cup but ability wise hes up there with the best ever already. Next ones in S America so its set up for him to fullfill that final accomplishment, and you know hes got a hell of a better supporting cast than Maradona did in 86 and 90.

That may be my favourite non Liverpool related result ever (that didnt involve the Mancs or the Bitters getting spanked

) When you have two sides with the talent that those two have, one is the big government backed, bank funded mega spending juggernaut with the most arrogant man in footbal at the helm and one is the total football, anti establishment home grown laden, (less) heavy spending entertainers with a soft spoken humble manager who grew up with the beautiful game imprinted in a pysche from he was a kid it would be hard to not conjure up a smile at this result

Is I type this Mark Bolton is trying to make a case that no Higuain was the reason Madrid got tanked

Id love to know what a player who contributes nothing to a side except goals was going to do to stop that Catalonian onslaught :laugh:

Way to show your colours again Sky Television, Mourinho is a broadcasters dream as he can be sold to people with only a passing interest in footy. Barca make footy fans drool, but Sky already have their money so for that resaon we know which part of Spain they are tying their flag to. It still stinks though

by **Ben Patrick** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:25 pm

i see what you mean about the world cup mate but i think that even if Messi never won it he would still for me end up as the greatest ever.
He is so consistent and the standard of the champions league that he frequently stars in is for me better than any world cup.

by **metalhead** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:27 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:i see what you mean about the world cup mate but i think that even if Messi never won it he would still for me end up as the greatest ever.
He is so consistent and the standard of the champions league that he frequently stars in is for me better than any world cup.

Not better than Zidane mate, not even close

by **burjennio** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:31 pm

metalhead wrote:Barcelona made Real Madrid look like amateurs today, unbelievable.

What about this lad Messi eh? unbelievable today, ripped into Real Madrid it was a Madrid massacre. As great is Messi, he won't be better than Zidane, but hell he is close!

Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets dominated, made Khedira and Alonso look like pub players.

Mourinho looks like a f*cking clown after this game, has a team of world class individuals and got raped

Having watched Zidane at Madrid at length during his time there, I think Messi is already ahead of him in terms of ability, he may not have the international trophies that the mecurial Frenchman had but never has a player in my eyes, that depite being surrounded by top players can look so utterly on a different level. Passing, shooting, dribbling, workrate, hell the kid is even a sweet header of a ball ffs! He is an absolute phenomenon.

The last "Worlds greatest" player that played in my lifetime was Maradona and I only saw him in any real capacity when he was on the way down, from Italia 90 and beyond. Original Ronaldo was a superb striker, as complete as a No 9 could be. Zidane was the ultimate playmaker, vision as well as sublime timing and skill. Ronaldinho was the most skillful player I think there may well have ever been. Messi is all of them combined PLUS he has the Maradonaesque ability of being able to dribble round an entire team by himself, though when he gets bored with that he just plays a double 1-2 with Pedro then chips the keeper to show how much of a team player he is as well as an outstanding finisher.

LIVING LEGEND

by **metalhead** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:37 pm

Zidane does what Messi does and more mate, I think people forgot about him a bit, but hell Zidane was the greatest football out there, he single handed won France the WC, he also single handed France getting another final in the WC. Zidane had everything in him, All around better than Messi. Watch some videos of Zidane in his early days and with Real Madrid, you have his passing, dribbling, long shots, headers, vision everything he completely destroyed teams on his own. Physically he is stronger and he also puts in a tackle as well. Messi is phenomenon, but not better than Zizou.

by **Ben Patrick** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:46 pm

metalhead wrote:Zidane does what Messi does and more mate, I think people forgot about him a bit, but hell Zidane was the greatest football out there, he single handed won France the WC, he also single handed France getting another final in the WC. Zidane had everything in him, All around better than Messi. Watch some videos of Zidane in his early days and with Real Madrid, you have his passing, dribbling, long shots, headers, vision everything he completely destroyed teams on his own. Physically he is stronger and he also puts in a tackle as well. Messi is phenomenon, but not better than Zizou.

disagree mate.
Top top player without doubt Zidane but Messi is the best player on the pitch and dominates the opposition in almost every game.
He scores a sh!t load more goals than Zidane did as well.
Admittedly Zidane has done it in big games and did win the world cup, but to be fair France where on home soil.
As i say one of the greatest of all time but not imo better than Messi.
Also Messi has been doing it since he was about 18. I dont think Zidane played at anywhere near the same level or with that sort of consistency at such an early age and for a sustained period like Messi has already.

by **burjennio** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:54 pm

metalhead wrote:Zidane does what Messi does and more mate, I think people forgot about him a bit, but hell Zidane was the greatest football out there, he single handed won France the WC, he also single handed France getting another final in the WC. Zidane had everything in him, All around better than Messi. Watch some videos of Zidane in his early days and with Real Madrid, you have his passing, dribbling, long shots, headers, vision everything he completely destroyed teams on his own. Physically he is stronger and he also puts in a tackle as well. Messi is phenomenon, but not better than Zizou.

I mentioned that I watched him at length in his Madrid days, as I do anyone that plays for the top sides in Spain. Ive mentioned before that I watch alot more La Liga that Premier League as I think the quality of football from the bottom team up is far superior. Zidane has nowhere near the dribbling skills of Messi, and needed the game to be played at a far slower pace that Messi does to be the dominant force on the pitch. All the other things then absolutely technique, vision, passing, shooting he had them all but he couldnt go around a team by himself, he always had willing runners for him when he was at his most successful. Figo, Ronaldo and them Beckham at Madrid ran there as*es off to give him freedom. Think how people used to say Henry couldnt play in the same side as Zidane. The fact was Henry put alot more focus on being a willing runner for France and letting Zidane pull all the strings than he ever did at Arsenal because he knew the man was that good and could make things happen. Messi doesnt need that, everything he does is at break neck speed, just another incredible attribute that as I said makes him in my eyes anyway the best player in 25years.

by **metalhead** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:55 pm

Messi started off in Barca, and Zidane in France, so there is a massive difference. When he joined Juve he was teaching football lesson in France. He came to Juve and was their best player, went to Real Madrid and was their best player. Zidane plays a bit deeper than Messi, that explains why he doesn't score as many as Messi, but the Argentine can get shrugged off really easily against a stronger defender, as we seen today when Mourinho introduced Arbeloa, he doesn't have the physical nature to make him better than Zidane. As for Zizou, I remember watching him get teamed up by 2 or 3 players, he nutmegs one, shrugs off the other and does his famous trick and walks freely. Messi doesn't have the same influence Zidane has.

by **burjennio** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:01 am

metalhead wrote:Messi started off in Barca, and Zidane in France, so there is a massive difference. When he joined Juve he was teaching football lesson in France. He came to Juve and was their best player, went to Real Madrid and was their best player. Zidane plays a bit deeper than Messi, that explains why he doesn't score as many as Messi, but the Argentine can get shrugged off really easily against a stronger defender, as we seen today when Mourinho introduced Arbeloa, he doesn't have the physical nature to make him better than Zidane. As for Zizou, I remember watching him get teamed up by 2 or 3 players, he nutmegs one, shrugs off the other and does his famous trick and walks freely. Messi doesn't have the same influence Zidane has.

MH Im not gonna argue because Zidane was pure class but I think you'd be in the minority to believe hes better than little Lionel, who I might add is still only 23. Considering how well the fella looks after himself I think barring a horrible injury we have at least another decade of this man giving Madrid the run around, not to mention winning God knows how many trophies.

by **Ben Patrick** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:03 am

metalhead wrote:Messi started off in Barca, and Zidane in France, so there is a massive difference. When he joined Juve he was teaching football lesson in France. He came to Juve and was their best player, went to Real Madrid and was their best player. Zidane plays a bit deeper than Messi, that explains why he doesn't score as many as Messi, but the Argentine can get shrugged off really easily against a stronger defender, as we seen today when Mourinho introduced Arbeloa, he doesn't have the physical nature to make him better than Zidane. As for Zizou, I remember watching him get teamed up by 2 or 3 players, he nutmegs one, shrugs off the other and does his famous trick and walks freely. Messi doesn't have the same influence Zidane has.

Yeah he is clearly wont have the same strength as Zidane who was a pretty big lad.
I think the level Zidane played at the last 5-6 years was similar to what Messi is playing like now, but for me not as frequently as little Lionel does.
Every game i see him play in he is ridiculous.
The point burjennio mate about the pace he has and the speed of the game in general is a good one too.
Like you said Zidane didnt get to play for Barca from the age Messi has but i think that might underline the difference in where the players where at that sort of age.

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