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by **Masch79** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:18 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:While others are talking sh'ite and taking the pi'ss, then why shouldnt I?

I agree that some people are blowing Roy's mistakes out of proportion on occasion but that sentance sums up half the problem on here.

by **Thommo's perm** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:24 pm

Masch79 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:While others are talking sh'ite and taking the pi'ss, then why shouldnt I?

I agree that some people are blowing Roy's mistakes out of proportion on occasion but that sentance sums up half the problem on here.

Only half?

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:36 pm

bigmick wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Just for you ben

I actually don't think it would be someone of Magleish or Hodgsons "standard", although I do think even if it were they would both do a better job than Benitez. Birmingham need to win their game in hand to move within two points of us in the league. They have a first team which cost a similar amount of money to Aquilani, and have been excellently managed all season. Fulham may ultimately perish at the last 16 stage of the Europa Cup (mind you so might we) but by any measure, Hodson has done a marvellous job.

I've never been one who holds the view that someone necessarily has to have an exotic sounding name in order to be successful myself in any case. It's about ability, and rather than worrying too much about all that we may as well consider only managers who would have been capable this season of bettering a record of 15 defeats. My guess is that the bar isn't exactly sky high and that many of the names which are thrown up as a p!ss take could do a comparable job with the total debacle which has been this season.

Ultimately, the current manager isn't up to the job it really is as simple as that. That doesn't mean we shouldn't get rid of the owners, or that we haven't been a bit unlucky with injuries, but none of that obscures the glaringly obvious. Any new manager may also not be up to it, but as the current one clearly isn't I am unconcerned and unworried about making the change, which we surely will at the end of the season.

My guess is that we will get a well known manager who will get everyone except those who are gutted that they weren't able to claim they were right all along excited. Ultimately, it is almost beyond comprehension that he could do worse than the travesty of football we have endured this time around.

More from mr insightful

People have been carded and banned before for posting an opinion about the managers future in threads where they weren't supposed to. I'm not advocating that course of action of course as it was as utterly ridiculous then as it would be now, but this thread as RIW pointed out is not really about the ownership of the club.

As I said earlier, you can bet your life that each time the team underperforms to an extreme level (and defeats to Wigan and Lille certainly come into that category) then stories of a horrific nature about the future of the club hit the headlines. If it's not some mad Thai who is going to buy the club, it's some Arab who likes kicking the sh!t out of people. It's always either that, or the club have been talking to Glen Roeder as a potential new candidate for the managers job as he's the only one in World Football who'll take it on.

I don't buy it. Get a top manager in and tell him he has zero money to spend, but he can keep the players he already has. We'd launch a sustained title challenge next season, new owners or no new owners.

The days of football managers being given bucketloads of cash to spend are largely over. If Rafa had spent the 20 million quid which he spunked on Aquilani a bit wiser, we might now look like a better team than we do. Any top manager would come to Liverpool, hopefully if the job does come up we get somebody really special

Dear oh dear. After six years of posting, this is the most abusive posts about the manager you could find, and this was meant to disprove the point .

THE most abusive bits in the three posts you've sourced there from me is where I describe last season as a "total debacle" (which it demonstrably was), and indicated that I didn't think the previous manager was up to the job.

Abusive . Not a fat spanish waiter in sight. I never ever abused the previous manager, and frankly having seen people get carded because they said they hoped we lost in the Europa League Cup as it was unimportant compared to the league, I am absolutely certain that any abuse of even a similar nature to the stuff the current manager has had to endure would have resulted in an instant ban.

Yes people would look now at my claim that any new manager would do better and find an argument, but once again we haven't got the "same players as we had last season", and even the ones we have still got (most notably Torres) are a long way from being the same players we had last season in many ways. But by all means criticise the opinions which were ventured, criticise the thoughts as being proven wrong, but don't by any stretch put me in the same bracket as those who are openly abusing the Liverpool manager of today, mocking him, despising him and jumping on his every move.

As I've already said, I'd change the manager as well. I'd do it simply because he isn't going to win the majority of fans back no matter what he does. That doesn't change the fact though that the way most of them have behaved has been nothing short of a disgrace. People can hide behind the pack mentality all they like, they can mock and abuse me all they like, but I don't give a feck. They have been totally out of order, and continue to be totally out of order. Best fans in the land? Do me a favour.

Stick your "Mr Insightful" n'all Igor, totally uncalled for.

I apologise whole heartedly michael i totally deserved your reaction . Your posts were not abusive in the slightest , they were however wide of the mark somewhat . The point i was making with the other posts was that rafa from just two threads got more than enough abuse from posters and people now posting pictures of owls is hardly a comparison . I happen to come across your posts whilst looking for the abusive ones so i decided to post them . It was a cheap shot and for that i'm sorry .

by **Thommo's perm** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:38 pm

Well said
Scouse

by **bigmick** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:44 pm

Nae bother Igor mate, forgotten.

by **supersub** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:50 pm

The Posse v The Insightfuls.......

by **Dundalk** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:51 pm

Always the gentleman

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:56 pm

Dundalk wrote:Always the gentleman

indeed.

by **aCe'** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:57 pm

whats the fuss ?

Anyone think hes doing well ? thats a no...
Anyone think replacing him now wouldnt make sense ? probably another no..

What are we still arguing about ?

by **metalhead** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:00 pm

aCe' wrote:whats the fuss ?

Anyone think hes doing well ? thats a no...
Anyone think replacing him now wouldnt make sense ? probably another no..

What are we still arguing about ?

Rafa and owl pictures

by **Dundalk** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:03 pm

metalhead wrote:
aCe' wrote:whats the fuss ?

Anyone think hes doing well ? thats a no...
Anyone think replacing him now wouldnt make sense ? probably another no..

What are we still arguing about ?

Rafa and owl pictures

Its what being a Liverpool fan is all about

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:07 pm

aCe' wrote:whats the fuss ?

Anyone think hes doing well ? thats a no...
Anyone think replacing him now wouldnt make sense ? probably another no..

What are we still arguing about ?

The problem is and it's a biggy is who do we replace him with . What's the next guy gonna have ? Is there a world class manager out there who is available and ready to build an entire squad whilst keeping us in the prem . We are joint bottom and we need results fast . Who is good enough to come in , tell the big stars to sort there sh1t out and knuckle down . It's not as easy as sacking Roy and getting mourinho in is it .My biggest fear is the newcastle syndrom . Sack manager ,get new one in doesn't work , sack him get another one in and so on . I'm worried abit like . I think the best thing to do is give kenny the job until the end of the season and that will give us enough time to get a real world class manager in with a plan and stick to it .

by **Thommo's perm** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:13 pm

supersub wrote:The Posse v The Insightfuls.......

I prefer "The Respectfuls"
:;):

by **supersub** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:14 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
supersub wrote:The Posse v The Insightfuls.......

I prefer "The Respectfuls"

The Respectfuls v the Insightfuls it is then....let the games begin

by **maguskwt** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:18 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Just for you ben

I actually don't think it would be someone of Magleish or Hodgsons "standard", although I do think even if it were they would both do a better job than Benitez. Birmingham need to win their game in hand to move within two points of us in the league. They have a first team which cost a similar amount of money to Aquilani, and have been excellently managed all season. Fulham may ultimately perish at the last 16 stage of the Europa Cup (mind you so might we) but by any measure, Hodson has done a marvellous job.

I've never been one who holds the view that someone necessarily has to have an exotic sounding name in order to be successful myself in any case. It's about ability, and rather than worrying too much about all that we may as well consider only managers who would have been capable this season of bettering a record of 15 defeats. My guess is that the bar isn't exactly sky high and that many of the names which are thrown up as a p!ss take could do a comparable job with the total debacle which has been this season.

Ultimately, the current manager isn't up to the job it really is as simple as that. That doesn't mean we shouldn't get rid of the owners, or that we haven't been a bit unlucky with injuries, but none of that obscures the glaringly obvious. Any new manager may also not be up to it, but as the current one clearly isn't I am unconcerned and unworried about making the change, which we surely will at the end of the season.

My guess is that we will get a well known manager who will get everyone except those who are gutted that they weren't able to claim they were right all along excited. Ultimately, it is almost beyond comprehension that he could do worse than the travesty of football we have endured this time around.

More from mr insightful

People have been carded and banned before for posting an opinion about the managers future in threads where they weren't supposed to. I'm not advocating that course of action of course as it was as utterly ridiculous then as it would be now, but this thread as RIW pointed out is not really about the ownership of the club.

As I said earlier, you can bet your life that each time the team underperforms to an extreme level (and defeats to Wigan and Lille certainly come into that category) then stories of a horrific nature about the future of the club hit the headlines. If it's not some mad Thai who is going to buy the club, it's some Arab who likes kicking the sh!t out of people. It's always either that, or the club have been talking to Glen Roeder as a potential new candidate for the managers job as he's the only one in World Football who'll take it on.

I don't buy it. Get a top manager in and tell him he has zero money to spend, but he can keep the players he already has. We'd launch a sustained title challenge next season, new owners or no new owners.

The days of football managers being given bucketloads of cash to spend are largely over. If Rafa had spent the 20 million quid which he spunked on Aquilani a bit wiser, we might now look like a better team than we do. Any top manager would come to Liverpool, hopefully if the job does come up we get somebody really special

Dear oh dear. After six years of posting, this is the most abusive posts about the manager you could find, and this was meant to disprove the point .

THE most abusive bits in the three posts you've sourced there from me is where I describe last season as a "total debacle" (which it demonstrably was), and indicated that I didn't think the previous manager was up to the job.

Abusive . Not a fat spanish waiter in sight. I never ever abused the previous manager, and frankly having seen people get carded because they said they hoped we lost in the Europa League Cup as it was unimportant compared to the league, I am absolutely certain that any abuse of even a similar nature to the stuff the current manager has had to endure would have resulted in an instant ban.

Yes people would look now at my claim that any new manager would do better and find an argument, but once again we haven't got the "same players as we had last season", and even the ones we have still got (most notably Torres) are a long way from being the same players we had last season in many ways. But by all means criticise the opinions which were ventured, criticise the thoughts as being proven wrong, but don't by any stretch put me in the same bracket as those who are openly abusing the Liverpool manager of today, mocking him, despising him and jumping on his every move.

As I've already said, I'd change the manager as well. I'd do it simply because he isn't going to win the majority of fans back no matter what he does. That doesn't change the fact though that the way most of them have behaved has been nothing short of a disgrace. People can hide behind the pack mentality all they like, they can mock and abuse me all they like, but I don't give a feck. They have been totally out of order, and continue to be totally out of order. Best fans in the land? Do me a favour.

Stick your "Mr Insightful" n'all Igor, totally uncalled for.

I apologise whole heartedly michael i totally deserved your reaction . Your posts were not abusive in the slightest , they were however wide of the mark somewhat . The point i was making with the other posts was that rafa from just two threads got more than enough abuse from posters and people now posting pictures of owls is hardly a comparison . I happen to come across your posts whilst looking for the abusive ones so i decided to post them . It was a cheap shot and for that i'm sorry .

Mick, you get on people's nerves because you often sit on a high horse, write long essays about why things should be why you think they should be (which is ok). But at the same time you direct little digs at people who disagrees with you and if things doesn't turn out the way you 'prophesised', you would wirte long essays again, slightly twisting your stand, to make sure you didn't look like a complete idiot, instead of admitting that you were wrong or apologizing to people you previously made digs at. You easily 'forget' the things that you previously said when people point out your stance have changed. You make yourslef a victim and the rest are all just big bad villains.

I don't understand why Igor needed to apologize (that's his prerogative) because what he has highlighted shows exactly what I'm talking about, your inconsistencies and lack of humbleness to completely admit that you were wrong.

"As I've already said, I'd change the manager as well. I'd do it simply because he isn't going to win the majority of fans back no matter what he does"

This is a classic example. Instead of admitting Roy is simply not good enough, you come up with this pathetic excuse that it was because the fans were not backing him.

You create imaginary groups like the "Posse" and accuse posters who are critical of Roy to have a "pack mentality", all the while conveniently forgetting how Benny the noon had been consistently attacked and ridiculed by 3-4 posters on here everytime he posts his opinion without a single abuse. But no, it's the 'pro-rafa Brigade' that's always abusing other posters.

Of course I'm not the Judge here, and you are free to carry on in the manner you have been carrying on. I'm merely pointing out your inconsistencies, double standards and hypocricies just in case you are wondering why people are on your case.

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