Thommo's perm wrote:RedSi35 wrote:Thommo's perm wrote:Benny The Noon wrote:From when he arrived - what improvements have we seen since we changed manager. Clubs change manager to improve things and move things forward so I'm just asking what improvements people have seen so far
I dont really want to compare the six games of this season to last seasons thirty eight because its too early. Has he improved things from the first game to the sixth? We have had a hard start by anyones standards which everyone admits. Slowly inching our way up the table seems to have stopped the slide we were on. So I would say we have slightly improved. But not much, I'll give you that.
We must to better, no doubt about it
Slightly improved? Come on, please take your head out of the sand. We are and have been ( save a few flashes ) measurably worse than last season. The football is rotten, the attitude from some of the players is rotten, the results are rotten and the club is rotting away slowly day by day.
At least if we were playing lovely football it would detract from all the ownership woes, but the fact is we are playing like bottom of the league team, struggling for form and points. 6 points after 6 games (the tough fixture list excuse.......... We are Liverpool
.g FC ) we should and we have been burying teams like this for years and years.
Lets get real here. I love this club as much as anyone and more that some. It gives me no pleasure to watch the players wearing the shirt giving the types of performances I have witnessed this season. I want them to play better, to their potential. I want them to sweep all in front of them. I want them to be challenging with chelsea at the top of the league. But I am a realist. We are fu'cked. Blame the owners, blame Benitez, blame the players, blame the fans, blame Moores and Parry. Blame who you like but the FACT is we are in a terrible state. Probably far worse than most could imagine.
We have a new manager, who some, not all, believe is not good enough to be in charge at LFC and have run their own campaign to undermine him with various tactics. This has been more successful than it should because we desperately need to be firing on all cylinders, and drawing, never mind losing is looked on with perverse glee by those who want Roy sacked.
Sadly Roy has not got the breathing room Benitez had at the start of his first season because were not in the Champions league (see Benitez). He has not got he breathing room in the Premier league that Benitez had at the start of his first season (see Benitez). No. What Roy has got is the axe hanging over his head if we dont win every game or at least go close and play with style, verve, class. Unlike last season (see Benitez).
I am as gutted as ayone that this is not happening but Im not going to call for the managers head because, no mater how much I want him to wave his magic wand, hes going to make mistakes, fu'ck up, get things wrong and scrape draws away from home in europe (top of the group by the way).
So all you people who were talking, then shouting and are now screaming for the managers head becuase he hasnt turned a bunch of under achievers (see Benitez) into world beaters in a coupe of months, can chat all the sh'ite you like. Because, I'll say it again, if he fails, we fail. And you can dream to your hearts content of "super manager" coming in and saving us, but thats all it is, a dream.
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taff wrote:Although not his fault at all the owners etc is the root of the problems but he took the job knowing the situation as he obviously thought he could change the situation and get us back to top four that is exactly how I read it in the summer.
Now its not even October yet and the goals have changed. Now I sympathise with him as we have known how bad it was for the last couple of years but it still gets me back ti thinking why did you take it on then
I will lay my cards on the table, I think Hodgson is a class manager, extremely knowledgeable etc and I dont blame him at all for taking the job as its a huge one but he just doesnt have that factor X for the top four. Now I know this will probably cause a argument but I think Rafa had that as part of his character although at times I wanted to throw things at him, at other times I wanted to kiss him. With Roy I just want to put my arms around him and say there there never mind. I wish that wasnt so as we are now drinking in last chance saloon and the pragmatist in me thinks we will not get anyone better so I want Roy to succeed no hidden agenda but I regret to say that I just dont get it at this moment in time and it saddens me just for the fact that he deserves to be remembered for a lot better thinhs than that



metalhead wrote:The problem Taff, alot of people on here.. ALOT are calling for his head after 6 games!!! Rafa had 6 years! Houllier had 5! and Roy only 6 games?!?!?!
Whats wrong with people these days
Scottbot wrote:Benny The Noon wrote:Maybe we should of got Hughes instead - Hodgson was flavour off the month and Purslow bought it .
Brilliant idea that.
Thommo's perm wrote:Im sorry I didnt make my point clear.
I dont know whether Hodgsons good enough or not. Neither does anyone. I dont like what Im seeing but I dont expect miracles considering how low we have fallen. Any new manager is a gamble. Benitez was, and luckily for us he won the CL in his first season. But he never won the PL, yet he was given time to try. I fear now that Roy will not be given time and that itself will set us back even further.
And I dont believe "super manager" exists.



Ciggy wrote:metalhead wrote:The problem Taff, alot of people on here.. ALOT are calling for his head after 6 games!!! Rafa had 6 years! Houllier had 5! and Roy only 6 games?!?!?!
Whats wrong with people these days
Do you want to watch another 5 years of this sh!te? Well some of us dont, and these are Roys ale house tactics and it has been the same at every club hes been at he nearly got Blackburn relegated mate the season after they won the league.
Time is not on our side we need the CL money to pay off our debts not sitting in the relegation zone, with Mr Midtable Mediocracy.



metalhead wrote:Whats wrong with people these days
...... I'm going to bed the wife's on heat 
supersub wrote:metalhead wrote:Whats wrong with people these days
I'll tell you whats wrong....this forum has created certain members that see only black and white......you are either an anti or a pro and if you try and post anything they pigeon hole you into one of those 2 groups......sensible discussion or debate has been replaced with finger pointing.... you're an anti roy because you were a pro rafa and visa versa.....
criticise the team selection or tactics and you are condemned as an anti roy and then given a spell in the ducking stool until you confess to calling our manger "woy"( that term of endearment seems to have been used more by true pro roy fanatics than by the vehemently anti roys over the last month or so)...... I'm going to bed the wife's on heat



Thommo's perm wrote:Lets get real here. I love this club as much as anyone and more that some. It gives me no pleasure to watch the players wearing the shirt giving the types of performances I have witnessed this season. I want them to play better, to their potential. I want them to sweep all in front of them. I want them to be challenging with chelsea at the top of the league. But I am a realist. We are fu'cked. Blame the owners, blame Benitez, blame the players, blame the fans, blame Moores and Parry. Blame who you like but the FACT is we are in a terrible state. Probably far worse than most could imagine.
We have a new manager, who some, not all, believe is not good enough to be in charge at LFC and have run their own campaign to undermine him with various tactics. This has been more successful than it should because we desperately need to be firing on all cylinders, and drawing, never mind losing is looked on with perverse glee by those who want Roy sacked.
Sadly Roy has not got the breathing room Benitez had at the start of his first season because were not in the Champions league (see Benitez). He has not got he breathing room in the Premier league that Benitez had at the start of his first season (see Benitez). No. What Roy has got is the axe hanging over his head if we dont win every game or at least go close and play with style, verve, class. Unlike last season (see Benitez).
I am as gutted as ayone that this is not happening but Im not going to call for the managers head because, no mater how much I want him to wave his magic wand, hes going to make mistakes, fu'ck up, get things wrong and scrape draws away from home in europe (top of the group by the way).
So all you people who were talking, then shouting and are now screaming for the managers head becuase he hasnt turned a bunch of under achievers (see Benitez) into world beaters in a coupe of months, can chat all the sh'ite you like. Because, I'll say it again, if he fails, we fail. And you can dream to your hearts content of "super manager" coming in and saving us, but thats all it is, a dream.
Welcome to twit and tw@ts LFC: deamers and snides.
metalhead wrote:Ciggy wrote:metalhead wrote:The problem Taff, alot of people on here.. ALOT are calling for his head after 6 games!!! Rafa had 6 years! Houllier had 5! and Roy only 6 games?!?!?!
Whats wrong with people these days
Do you want to watch another 5 years of this sh!te? Well some of us dont, and these are Roys ale house tactics and it has been the same at every club hes been at he nearly got Blackburn relegated mate the season after they won the league.
Time is not on our side we need the CL money to pay off our debts not sitting in the relegation zone, with Mr Midtable Mediocracy.
What about last season's dross? do you think a lot of people handled watching the dr0ss week in week out, losing 19 games, getting dumped from the CL group stages and getting 7th in the league? Roy's management at Fulham was excellent, he has done well with them got them to the UEFA cup final and gave them a good league standing, so he doesn't get a chance? we don't give him one? The problem is I don't think he will get as many games as I hope he would because patience in the modern game has gone now.
so what if he almost got Blackburn relegated? Rafa had a couple of dodgy spell in Spain didn't he? all managers have that, no one is perfect, people learn from mistakes and move on . Roy needs time.
metalhead wrote:What about last season's dross? do you think a lot of people handled watching the dr0ss week in week out, losing 19 games, getting dumped from the CL group stages and getting 7th in the league? Roy's management at Fulham was excellent, he has done well with them got them to the UEFA cup final and gave them a good league standing, so he doesn't get a chance? we don't give him one? The problem is I don't think he will get as many games as I hope he would because patience in the modern game has gone now.
so what if he almost got Blackburn relegated? Rafa had a couple of dodgy spell in Spain didn't he? all managers have that, no one is perfect, people learn from mistakes and move on . Roy needs time.
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