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by **taff** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:54 pm

Although not his fault at all the owners etc is the root of the problems but he took the job knowing the situation as he obviously thought he could change the situation and get us back to top four that is exactly how I read it in the summer.

Now its not even October yet and the goals have changed. Now I sympathise with him as we have known how bad it was for the last couple of years but it still gets me back ti thinking why did you take it on then

I will lay my cards on the table, I think Hodgson is a class manager, extremely knowledgeable etc and I dont blame him at all for taking the job as its a huge one but he just doesnt have that factor X for the top four. Now I know this will probably cause a argument but I think Rafa had that as part of his character although at times I wanted to throw things at him, at other times I wanted to kiss him. With Roy I just want to put my arms around him and say there there never mind. I wish that wasnt so as we are now drinking in last chance saloon and the pragmatist in me thinks we will not get anyone better so I want Roy to succeed no hidden agenda but I regret to say that I just dont get it at this moment in time and it saddens me just for the fact that he deserves to be remembered for a lot better thinhs than that

by **glenbuck patriot** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:56 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
RedSi35 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:From when he arrived - what improvements have we seen since we changed manager. Clubs change manager to improve things and move things forward so I'm just asking what improvements people have seen so far

I dont really want to compare the six games of this season to last seasons thirty eight because its too early. Has he improved things from the first game to the sixth? We have had a hard start by anyones standards which everyone admits. Slowly inching our way up the table seems to have stopped the slide we were on. So I would say we have slightly improved. But not much, I'll give you that.
We must to better, no doubt about it

Slightly improved? Come on, please take your head out of the sand. We are and have been ( save a few flashes ) measurably worse than last season. The football is rotten, the attitude from some of the players is rotten, the results are rotten and the club is rotting away slowly day by day.

At least if we were playing lovely football it would detract from all the ownership woes, but the fact is we are playing like bottom of the league team, struggling for form and points. 6 points after 6 games ( the tough fixture list excuse.......... We are Liverpool .g FC ) we should and we have been burying teams like this for years and years.

Lets get real here. I love this club as much as anyone and more that some. It gives me no pleasure to watch the players wearing the shirt giving the types of performances I have witnessed this season. I want them to play better, to their potential. I want them to sweep all in front of them. I want them to be challenging with chelsea at the top of the league. But I am a realist. We are fu'cked. Blame the owners, blame Benitez, blame the players, blame the fans, blame Moores and Parry. Blame who you like but the FACT is we are in a terrible state. Probably far worse than most could imagine.
We have a new manager, who some, not all, believe is not good enough to be in charge at LFC and have run their own campaign to undermine him with various tactics. This has been more successful than it should because we desperately need to be firing on all cylinders, and drawing, never mind losing is looked on with perverse glee by those who want Roy sacked.
Sadly Roy has not got the breathing room Benitez had at the start of his first season because were not in the Champions league (see Benitez). He has not got he breathing room in the Premier league that Benitez had at the start of his first season (see Benitez). No. What Roy has got is the axe hanging over his head if we dont win every game or at least go close and play with style, verve, class. Unlike last season (see Benitez).
I am as gutted as ayone that this is not happening but Im not going to call for the managers head because, no mater how much I want him to wave his magic wand, hes going to make mistakes, fu'ck up, get things wrong and scrape draws away from home in europe (top of the group by the way).
So all you people who were talking, then shouting and are now screaming for the managers head becuase he hasnt turned a bunch of under achievers (see Benitez) into world beaters in a coupe of months, can chat all the sh'ite you like. Because, I'll say it again, if he fails, we fail. And you can dream to your hearts content of "super manager" coming in and saving us, but thats all it is, a dream.
Welcome to twit and tw@ts LFC: deamers and snides.

Thommo,

Your point is what?
exactly?

Roy has been appointed, he is pertenently not up to the job, never has been. never will be, not a pro Rafa fan as i stated earlier, just know Roy is not up to the job, never will be doesn't take a genious to work that one out, just look at the games so far, do you want to witness another fifty like that?

We'll be playing in the Coca Cola Championship next year if Roy has anything to do with it and the highlight will be Burnley away, just to have a good pie throwing contest!

by **metalhead** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:02 pm

taff wrote:Although not his fault at all the owners etc is the root of the problems but he took the job knowing the situation as he obviously thought he could change the situation and get us back to top four that is exactly how I read it in the summer.

Now its not even October yet and the goals have changed. Now I sympathise with him as we have known how bad it was for the last couple of years but it still gets me back ti thinking why did you take it on then

I will lay my cards on the table, I think Hodgson is a class manager, extremely knowledgeable etc and I dont blame him at all for taking the job as its a huge one but he just doesnt have that factor X for the top four. Now I know this will probably cause a argument but I think Rafa had that as part of his character although at times I wanted to throw things at him, at other times I wanted to kiss him. With Roy I just want to put my arms around him and say there there never mind. I wish that wasnt so as we are now drinking in last chance saloon and the pragmatist in me thinks we will not get anyone better so I want Roy to succeed no hidden agenda but I regret to say that I just dont get it at this moment in time and it saddens me just for the fact that he deserves to be remembered for a lot better thinhs than that

The problem Taff, alot of people on here.. ALOT are calling for his head after 6 games!!! Rafa had 6 years! Houllier had 5! and Roy only 6 games?!?!?!

Whats wrong with people these days

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:07 pm

Has he not been in charge for 3 months now ? Is it not 13 games plus pre season friendlies ? Now I do agree that you shouldn't ever sack a manager after only three months but things do have to improve - if they don't improve and we continue to struggle then he may not last the season and that would be extremely sad to see at a club that has had so few managers in it's history . Some times you have to just put hands up and say job is too big for him and rectify the mistake as soon as possible - hopefully this doesn't happen and we do improve but it needs to be done quickly

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:09 pm

"Thommo,

Your point is what?
exactly?

Roy has been appointed, he is pertenently not up to the job, never has been. never will be, not a pro Rafa fan as i stated earlier, just know Roy is not up to the job, never will be doesn't take a genious to work that one out, just lok at th games so far, do you want to witness another fifty like that?

When you say you don't welcome to the Roy, you must go club, or we'll be playing in the Coca Cola Championship next year and the highlight will be Burnley away, just to have a good pie throwing contest!"

Im sorry I didnt make my point clear.
I dont know whether Hodgsons good enough or not. Neither does anyone. I dont like what Im seeing but I dont expect miracles considering how low we have fallen. Any new manager is a gamble. Benitez was, and luckily for us he won the CL in his first season. But he never won the PL, yet he was given time to try. I fear now that Roy will not be given time and that itself will set us back even further.
And I dont believe "super manager" exists.

by **Scottbot** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:11 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Maybe we should of got Hughes instead - Hodgson was flavour off the month and Purslow bought it .

Brilliant idea that.

by **Ciggy** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:14 pm

metalhead wrote:The problem Taff, alot of people on here.. ALOT are calling for his head after 6 games!!! Rafa had 6 years! Houllier had 5! and Roy only 6 games?!?!?!

Whats wrong with people these days

Do you want to watch another 5 years of this sh!te? Well some of us dont, and these are Roys ale house tactics and it has been the same at every club hes been at he nearly got Blackburn relegated mate the season after they won the league.

Time is not on our side we need the CL money to pay off our debts not sitting in the relegation zone, with Mr Midtable Mediocracy.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:16 pm

Scottbot wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Maybe we should of got Hughes instead - Hodgson was flavour off the month and Purslow bought it .

Brilliant idea that.

It was Tongue in cheek Scott - calm down now .

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:20 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:Im sorry I didnt make my point clear.
I dont know whether Hodgsons good enough or not. Neither does anyone. I dont like what Im seeing but I dont expect miracles considering how low we have fallen. Any new manager is a gamble. Benitez was, and luckily for us he won the CL in his first season. But he never won the PL, yet he was given time to try. I fear now that Roy will not be given time and that itself will set us back even further.
And I dont believe "super manager" exists.

We Know Lad ...and if you took the time to close your eyes and imagine the future you would clearly see Roy's not included mate ...
he has only served to confirm our greatest fears ...we are on a permanent slide and he has neither the strength or conviction to keep us from slipping even further ..... seriously though Lad Liverpool fans whilst being the most faithful to a manager they believe in..... they also do not as a rule suffer fools and never had and never will ...you of all people being a season ticket holder down the years should have experienced this .... honestly how can you extract any positives from our performances this season when you have bore witness to the glory years that have unfolded at Anfield ..... We as fans have never had to experience the mocking of rival fans in regards to performances on the field ...sorry I digress this season its gone slightly further and now they actually pity us .....they pity us fella they feel for our plight and spare us from their abuse .... and that for me is something I will never accept ... we don't even register on their scale any more not even an afterthought .... put simply we are being left behind Lad and its a rapid movement that shows no signs of slowing down

as for the length of time given to Benitez in his first season maybe it was because we played decidedly better football and it offered a modicum of hope ...and all could see the undoubted character of the man and he instantly developed an affinity with the fans" INSTANTLY " plus who knows if he had served up the garbage we have been subjected to this season then maybe he would have lost our faith as quickly as Roy

by **metalhead** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:22 pm

Ciggy wrote:
metalhead wrote:The problem Taff, alot of people on here.. ALOT are calling for his head after 6 games!!! Rafa had 6 years! Houllier had 5! and Roy only 6 games?!?!?!

Whats wrong with people these days

Do you want to watch another 5 years of this sh!te? Well some of us dont, and these are Roys ale house tactics and it has been the same at every club hes been at he nearly got Blackburn relegated mate the season after they won the league.

Time is not on our side we need the CL money to pay off our debts not sitting in the relegation zone, with Mr Midtable Mediocracy.

What about last season's dross? do you think a lot of people handled watching the dr0ss week in week out, losing 19 games, getting dumped from the CL group stages and getting 7th in the league? Roy's management at Fulham was excellent, he has done well with them got them to the UEFA cup final and gave them a good league standing, so he doesn't get a chance? we don't give him one? The problem is I don't think he will get as many games as I hope he would because patience in the modern game has gone now.

so what if he almost got Blackburn relegated? Rafa had a couple of dodgy spell in Spain didn't he? all managers have that, no one is perfect, people learn from mistakes and move on . Roy needs time.

by **supersub** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:23 pm

metalhead wrote:Whats wrong with people these days

I'll tell you whats wrong....this forum has created certain members that see only black and white......you are either an anti or a pro and if you try and post anything they pigeon hole you into one of those 2 groups......sensible discussion or debate has been replaced with finger pointing.... you're an anti roy because you were a pro rafa and visa versa.....

criticise the team selection or tactics and you are condemned as an anti roy and then given a spell in the ducking stool until you confess to calling our manger "woy"( that term of endearment seems to have been used more by true pro roy fanatics than by the vehemently anti roys over the last month or so)

:censored:

...... I'm going to bed the wife's on heat :;):

by **metalhead** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:25 pm

supersub wrote:
metalhead wrote:Whats wrong with people these days

I'll tell you whats wrong....this forum has created certain members that see only black and white......you are either an anti or a pro and if you try and post anything they pigeon hole you into one of those 2 groups......sensible discussion or debate has been replaced with finger pointing.... you're an anti roy because you were a pro rafa and visa versa.....

criticise the team selection or tactics and you are condemned as an anti roy and then given a spell in the ducking stool until you confess to calling our manger "woy"( that term of endearment seems to have been used more by true pro roy fanatics than by the vehemently anti roys over the last month or so)

...... I'm going to bed the wife's on heat

No worries on sensible criticism, but some posts on here are just beyond silly really. I'm no Roy fanatic, I'm skeptical about his appointment, but dudes we need to give him a bloody chance!

by **Scottbot** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:27 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:Lets get real here. I love this club as much as anyone and more that some. It gives me no pleasure to watch the players wearing the shirt giving the types of performances I have witnessed this season. I want them to play better, to their potential. I want them to sweep all in front of them. I want them to be challenging with chelsea at the top of the league. But I am a realist. We are fu'cked. Blame the owners, blame Benitez, blame the players, blame the fans, blame Moores and Parry. Blame who you like but the FACT is we are in a terrible state. Probably far worse than most could imagine.
We have a new manager, who some, not all, believe is not good enough to be in charge at LFC and have run their own campaign to undermine him with various tactics. This has been more successful than it should because we desperately need to be firing on all cylinders, and drawing, never mind losing is looked on with perverse glee by those who want Roy sacked.
Sadly Roy has not got the breathing room Benitez had at the start of his first season because were not in the Champions league (see Benitez). He has not got he breathing room in the Premier league that Benitez had at the start of his first season (see Benitez). No. What Roy has got is the axe hanging over his head if we dont win every game or at least go close and play with style, verve, class. Unlike last season (see Benitez).
I am as gutted as ayone that this is not happening but Im not going to call for the managers head because, no mater how much I want him to wave his magic wand, hes going to make mistakes, fu'ck up, get things wrong and scrape draws away from home in europe (top of the group by the way).
So all you people who were talking, then shouting and are now screaming for the managers head becuase he hasnt turned a bunch of under achievers (see Benitez) into world beaters in a coupe of months, can chat all the sh'ite you like. Because, I'll say it again, if he fails, we fail. And you can dream to your hearts content of "super manager" coming in and saving us, but thats all it is, a dream.
Welcome to twit and tw@ts LFC: deamers and snides.

Some good posts in this thread and I think that's a decent post in defence of Hodgson. He certainly doesn't have the same leeway afforded to his predecessors and I don't think anyone can deny that? For a number of posters he is simply living up to (or down to) their expectations of him coming in and confirming their view hence the considerably shorter leash he has been afforded. And that is the truth of it i think.

Tonights result in the context of the competition is absolutely fine. Win your home games and get your draws away in Europe and you'll do just fine so i think it's important people remember that. You don't consistently go away to European teams and dump on them in their own ground so it is unreasonable to expect the walkover some were naively calling for.

However, people are right to be worried about performances. I'm very concerned about the personel we are playing (from the start), where they are being played and Roy's very Rafaesque use of substitutions.

- Very concerned to see Lucas and Poulsen in there together again. Everyone has their opinion on who is the better player but you're splitting hairs, they are essentially the same player and there's only room for one crab in the side surely? Anyone it's been done to death.

- Why is Mereilles playing in the hole? He looks like a useful player, he's got quick feet, sees the game, is clever and has a nice range of passing but play him in the middle of the park PLEASE. He doesn't have the mobility or carry the threat running with the ball that you need from a number 10. Play Joey Cole in there.

- What's going on with the subs Roy? Waited 80 mins today and when you did make a sub is was the VERY pedestrian Maxi coming on for the lively (albeit tiring) Joe Cole.

- What's going on with Fernando? He looks completely off it, he's slow, lacks any sort of sharpness and it worries me that we haven't heard a soundbite from him in the press since he first came back from the World Cup.

Big big game this weekend and a chance to grab a couple of early goals and get our tails up a bit. I'm going the game so fingers crossed we can get our season up and running. I'm concerned about Hodgson, I'm not particularly impressed with the way we're playing but things can change pretty quickly in football. I also haven't enjoyed the way his critics speak about him on here so a big win against Blackpool might just lift some of the pressure on the guy.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:29 pm

metalhead wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
metalhead wrote:The problem Taff, alot of people on here.. ALOT are calling for his head after 6 games!!! Rafa had 6 years! Houllier had 5! and Roy only 6 games?!?!?!

Whats wrong with people these days

Do you want to watch another 5 years of this sh!te? Well some of us dont, and these are Roys ale house tactics and it has been the same at every club hes been at he nearly got Blackburn relegated mate the season after they won the league.

Time is not on our side we need the CL money to pay off our debts not sitting in the relegation zone, with Mr Midtable Mediocracy.

What about last season's dross? do you think a lot of people handled watching the dr0ss week in week out, losing 19 games, getting dumped from the CL group stages and getting 7th in the league? Roy's management at Fulham was excellent, he has done well with them got them to the UEFA cup final and gave them a good league standing, so he doesn't get a chance? we don't give him one? The problem is I don't think he will get as many games as I hope he would because patience in the modern game has gone now.

so what if he almost got Blackburn relegated? Rafa had a couple of dodgy spell in Spain didn't he? all managers have that, no one is perfect, people learn from mistakes and move on . Roy needs time.

Hodgson has been in management for 30 years now - he isn't currently learning from his mistakes because I think he believes he isn't currently making any and the players aren't playing well - he seems happy with his tactics and the way he has the team set up but IMO they are his two biggest mistakes and he needs to change them but I dont think he will

by **Ciggy** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:31 pm

metalhead wrote:What about last season's dross? do you think a lot of people handled watching the dr0ss week in week out, losing 19 games, getting dumped from the CL group stages and getting 7th in the league? Roy's management at Fulham was excellent, he has done well with them got them to the UEFA cup final and gave them a good league standing, so he doesn't get a chance? we don't give him one? The problem is I don't think he will get as many games as I hope he would because patience in the modern game has gone now.

so what if he almost got Blackburn relegated? Rafa had a couple of dodgy spell in Spain didn't he? all managers have that, no one is perfect, people learn from mistakes and move on . Roy needs time.

Even in Rafas worst season last season, so far under Roy its been worst than anything we witnessed you get a new manager to turn things around not go backwards, and we are going backwards, and will continue to do so with him.

Rafa finished 7th and got to the semi final.

Roy finished 12th and got to the final.

What sense does it make to give him the job? Fulham won just once away from home last season 1-0. So how was Roys management excellent at Fulham?

And Rafas a lot younger than Roy and has won more.

Why do people keep bringing Rafa up because if Rafas worst season is a benchmark for Roy what does that say about him?

Rafas sitting nicely at the top of the Italian League & CL hes new in his job aswell, where as we are feckin 16th.

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