JAVIER MASCHERANO - Official Thread
by roberto green » Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:39 am
How come we always end up getting the sh!tty end of the stick, Masch is going to end up going for 20m, 10m less than he is worth and the same price as we paid for him.If Rafa was still here he would be demanding at least 30m fir him so why is going to get him for 20m the cheeky cU*t.
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by fivecups » Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:44 am
roberto green wrote:How come we always end up getting the sh!tty end of the stick, Masch is going to end up going for 20m, 10m less than he is worth and the same price as we paid for him.If Rafa was still here he would be demanding at least 30m fir him so why is going to get him for 20m the cheeky cU*t.
Well the upside is we might have him for the coming season, which could be vital. Of course, he's not going to sign a new contract and it will cost us financially in the longerterm but it gives more time to sort the ownership situation out and identify a quality replacement. I hope he stays because he'll give his best, we saw that last season. He's also got Insua to look at.
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by Thommo's perm » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:45 am
roberto green wrote:How come we always end up getting the sh!tty end of the stick, Masch is going to end up going for 20m, 10m less than he is worth and the same price as we paid for him.If Rafa was still here he would be demanding at least 30m fir him so why is going to get him for 20m the cheeky cU*t.
Rafa made his fair share of fu'ck ups regarding transfers. But now he has gone
I would take 20 mill to get rid of the little rat
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by Dundalk » Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:50 am
Liverpool midfielder Javier Mascherano insists he has no problem with the club but just fancies a change of lifestyle.
The 26-year-old has made no secret of his wish to leave Anfield, with Inter Milan and Barcelona reportedly interested in acquiring his services.
But Mascherano revealed he has no issue with the Merseyside club - he just wants a new challenge.
Speaking after Argentina's 1-0 win over Republic of Ireland, he told Sky Sports: "The only thing I want to say is I don't have nothing against the Liverpool supporters, the Liverpool people.
"My problem is not to play for Liverpool. I'm very proud to play for Liverpool. It's another thing.
"I said to him (new Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson) that maybe for my life I prefer to change the country, not to change the club - that is the fact.
"Sometimes you can see all the things that the papers or the press say, but at the end the only thing I can say is thank you to everyone in Liverpool because they supported me all the time, from the beginning until now."
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The 26-year-old has made no secret of his wish to leave Anfield, with Inter Milan and Barcelona reportedly interested in acquiring his services.
But Mascherano revealed he has no issue with the Merseyside club - he just wants a new challenge.
Speaking after Argentina's 1-0 win over Republic of Ireland, he told Sky Sports: "The only thing I want to say is I don't have nothing against the Liverpool supporters, the Liverpool people.
"My problem is not to play for Liverpool. I'm very proud to play for Liverpool. It's another thing.
"I said to him (new Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson) that maybe for my life I prefer to change the country, not to change the club - that is the fact.
"Sometimes you can see all the things that the papers or the press say, but at the end the only thing I can say is thank you to everyone in Liverpool because they supported me all the time, from the beginning until now."
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by Owzat » Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:57 am
Wants a new challenge = wants a trophy/league title
I trust that old line more from a player who's won trophies and league titles, like Joe Cole moving from Chelsea or any player leaving the mancs and saying the same thing - unless of course the £££ is greater
I trust that old line more from a player who's won trophies and league titles, like Joe Cole moving from Chelsea or any player leaving the mancs and saying the same thing - unless of course the £££ is greater
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by NANNY RED » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:47 am
I read this post on Rawk a few days ago whilst havin a nosy , and for me anyway its a superb read, I for one will miss him when he goes,
From Rawk
In one of those wonderful ironies football throws up, Javier Mascherano rose to prominence as a Liverpool midfielder in Barcelona - February 2007, to be precise.
Before you dust off your programmes and overload the Argentine’s Wikipedia page, I’m well aware Mascherano made his Liverpool debut against Sheffield United, three days after our win in the Camp Nou.
But Sheffield United at Anfield in a Saturday 12.45 kick off wasn’t on the minds of the 5,000 or so of us about an hour from kick off on a brisk Barcelona evening. As we stared down the red and blue Catalonian canyon, Javier Mascherano’s name was intermittently mentioned between exclamations of how high up we were and egregious analysis of how Deco, Messi and Ronaldinho would run riot.
The drama with the Football Association regarding Mascherano's eligibility had finished unbeknownst to many of us in Barcelona without the shining light of Sky Sports News, their garish yellow ticker and the constant re-defining of what constitutes breaking news.
Word and excitement spread around the Camp Nou quickly. Rumours he was in the squad that night were unfounded, but regardless of that, a star was already born. Ignore the 'West Ham reject' label he'd been given in the press, Mascherano was one of the most exciting signings our generation had experienced, sandwiched somewhere in between Jari Litmanen and Stan Collymore.
It's almost poetic that Momo Sissoko enjoyed his best game for the club that night. It could almost be regarded as a passing of the torch. Thinking about it, it's probably the best pass Sissoko ever made in a red shirt.
Sissoko was a fantastic destroyer, but he was just as adept at destroying his own side's attacks with wayward passing. Mascherano could do the destroying and the passing. The signing of Mascherano was a sign of improvement and progression, much like when Torres replaced Bellamy that summer.
Over three years later, and the name of Javier Mascherano is being whispered around Camp Nou once more; this time, as a possible signing for the Catalan club after 'El Jefecito' finally told Roy Hodgson he wants to leave Liverpool. Roy would have been spared the wait if he'd lived on Merseyside the past year - it's been the worst kept secret in the city.
The eulogies were written well before Hodgson's confirmation, sadly. Some of our fanbase have a tremendous ability to perpetuate myths to suit agendas. People taint Rafa Benitez's transfer dealings to make him look a failure. Similarly, people question the likes of Insua, Kuyt and Lucas, accentuating the negatives and disregarding the positives.
It's already in full swing with Mascherano now, too. His distribution was poor, apparently, and his heart was never in the club. £25 million is a decent deal as well, since we only need him for games against those in the top six.
Those three myths are only bettered by that of Jermaine Pennant being our best player in Athens. A few runs down the right-hand side do not compare to the all-action performance of Mascherano, who kept Kaka quiet throughout. All this only four months after joining the club. The final was lost the second he left the pitch; Kaka, finally free from the San Lorenzo shackles, strode through the midfield to set up Inzaghi and Milan's second.
The sale of Javier Mascherano will hit the side harder than many think. The marauding Glen Johnson will not have his gaps plugged as effectively as last season. There was no finer sight last season than watching Masch galloping to wipe out an opposition winger who was proceeding with trepidation in front the Centenary stand. To liken him to Jaws would be clichéd and misrepresentative - Jaws didn't reach its target sometimes.
He was not without his faults. His anger at Rafa after being rested for the home game against Hull City last season left a sour taste, as did his constant glances towards Barcelona and Inter Milan; glances which now seem to be paying dividends. His effort and ability will be missed, especially when we will only see a portion of his transfer fee.
Which begs the final question: who are the winners of all this besides his future employers? It certainly isn't Liverpool Football Club nor its supporters. It can't be Mascherano's wife either; whose homesickness will not abate by moving a mere few hundred miles closer to Argentina.
Unfortunately, the big winners look to be Tom Hicks, George Gillett and Christian Purslow. Mascherano's desire to leave the club will mask the fact they will sell a world class player for £25 million and replace him with somebody half the price. Big sales are needed. This won't get the coverage Torres or Gerrard will for the simple fact Mascherano was vocal about his desire to leave and it's a departure that's been expected for a long time. It's a let-off for the Anfield lepers.
Much like how Mascherano's arrival was a sign, his departure is similar. Excitement has turned into lamentation; it's regression, not progression, that fans expect.
The club was taken over a mere two weeks before that balmy night in Barcelona (no, not that one, Tyldsley), and three years later, the mood of the club's supporters couldn't be different.
If Sissoko passed the torch to Mascherano that night, then consider Mascherano wildly flinging a flame-thrower at his successor, who tries his best to avoid it. Let's hope the rest of the squad doesn't go up in flames with him.
From Rawk
In one of those wonderful ironies football throws up, Javier Mascherano rose to prominence as a Liverpool midfielder in Barcelona - February 2007, to be precise.
Before you dust off your programmes and overload the Argentine’s Wikipedia page, I’m well aware Mascherano made his Liverpool debut against Sheffield United, three days after our win in the Camp Nou.
But Sheffield United at Anfield in a Saturday 12.45 kick off wasn’t on the minds of the 5,000 or so of us about an hour from kick off on a brisk Barcelona evening. As we stared down the red and blue Catalonian canyon, Javier Mascherano’s name was intermittently mentioned between exclamations of how high up we were and egregious analysis of how Deco, Messi and Ronaldinho would run riot.
The drama with the Football Association regarding Mascherano's eligibility had finished unbeknownst to many of us in Barcelona without the shining light of Sky Sports News, their garish yellow ticker and the constant re-defining of what constitutes breaking news.
Word and excitement spread around the Camp Nou quickly. Rumours he was in the squad that night were unfounded, but regardless of that, a star was already born. Ignore the 'West Ham reject' label he'd been given in the press, Mascherano was one of the most exciting signings our generation had experienced, sandwiched somewhere in between Jari Litmanen and Stan Collymore.
It's almost poetic that Momo Sissoko enjoyed his best game for the club that night. It could almost be regarded as a passing of the torch. Thinking about it, it's probably the best pass Sissoko ever made in a red shirt.
Sissoko was a fantastic destroyer, but he was just as adept at destroying his own side's attacks with wayward passing. Mascherano could do the destroying and the passing. The signing of Mascherano was a sign of improvement and progression, much like when Torres replaced Bellamy that summer.
Over three years later, and the name of Javier Mascherano is being whispered around Camp Nou once more; this time, as a possible signing for the Catalan club after 'El Jefecito' finally told Roy Hodgson he wants to leave Liverpool. Roy would have been spared the wait if he'd lived on Merseyside the past year - it's been the worst kept secret in the city.
The eulogies were written well before Hodgson's confirmation, sadly. Some of our fanbase have a tremendous ability to perpetuate myths to suit agendas. People taint Rafa Benitez's transfer dealings to make him look a failure. Similarly, people question the likes of Insua, Kuyt and Lucas, accentuating the negatives and disregarding the positives.
It's already in full swing with Mascherano now, too. His distribution was poor, apparently, and his heart was never in the club. £25 million is a decent deal as well, since we only need him for games against those in the top six.
Those three myths are only bettered by that of Jermaine Pennant being our best player in Athens. A few runs down the right-hand side do not compare to the all-action performance of Mascherano, who kept Kaka quiet throughout. All this only four months after joining the club. The final was lost the second he left the pitch; Kaka, finally free from the San Lorenzo shackles, strode through the midfield to set up Inzaghi and Milan's second.
The sale of Javier Mascherano will hit the side harder than many think. The marauding Glen Johnson will not have his gaps plugged as effectively as last season. There was no finer sight last season than watching Masch galloping to wipe out an opposition winger who was proceeding with trepidation in front the Centenary stand. To liken him to Jaws would be clichéd and misrepresentative - Jaws didn't reach its target sometimes.
He was not without his faults. His anger at Rafa after being rested for the home game against Hull City last season left a sour taste, as did his constant glances towards Barcelona and Inter Milan; glances which now seem to be paying dividends. His effort and ability will be missed, especially when we will only see a portion of his transfer fee.
Which begs the final question: who are the winners of all this besides his future employers? It certainly isn't Liverpool Football Club nor its supporters. It can't be Mascherano's wife either; whose homesickness will not abate by moving a mere few hundred miles closer to Argentina.
Unfortunately, the big winners look to be Tom Hicks, George Gillett and Christian Purslow. Mascherano's desire to leave the club will mask the fact they will sell a world class player for £25 million and replace him with somebody half the price. Big sales are needed. This won't get the coverage Torres or Gerrard will for the simple fact Mascherano was vocal about his desire to leave and it's a departure that's been expected for a long time. It's a let-off for the Anfield lepers.
Much like how Mascherano's arrival was a sign, his departure is similar. Excitement has turned into lamentation; it's regression, not progression, that fans expect.
The club was taken over a mere two weeks before that balmy night in Barcelona (no, not that one, Tyldsley), and three years later, the mood of the club's supporters couldn't be different.
If Sissoko passed the torch to Mascherano that night, then consider Mascherano wildly flinging a flame-thrower at his successor, who tries his best to avoid it. Let's hope the rest of the squad doesn't go up in flames with him.
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by lakes10 » Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:25 am
sell him today and use the money to buy another player as it looks like no deal for the club is going to be done soon.
reading what Dundalk posted is strange as its not what the media think is going o happen, they feel he will still be in the prem with another club and its down to not playing in the CL that he is looking to leave.
reading what Dundalk posted is strange as its not what the media think is going o happen, they feel he will still be in the prem with another club and its down to not playing in the CL that he is looking to leave.
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by Redman in wales » Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:31 am
lakes10 wrote:sell him today and use the money to buy another player as it looks like no deal for the club is going to be done soon.
reading what Dundalk posted is strange as its not what the media think is going o happen, they feel he will still be in the prem with another club and its down to not playing in the CL that he is looking to leave.
nah - i've not seen any media stories about a possible prem move - all been about inter and barca.
Mash wanted to leave last year, but rafa convinced him to stay for one more season.
And as much as we'd like to, we cant really sell him today - not without an offer from another club, which doesn't look to forthcoming at the moment.
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by Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:14 am
Lakes your talking nonsense - he wants to go to Inter or Barce - Masher will not be at Chelsea or another prem club .
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by Johnny Boy » Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:39 am
lakes10 wrote:Chelsea mate.
He said on SKY after the game last night it was not about playing for Liverpool. It was a 'country' thing, last time I checked Chelsea was in England.
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by In and Out » Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:32 am
Johnny Boy wrote:lakes10 wrote:Chelsea mate.
He said on SKY after the game last night it was not about playing for Liverpool. It was a 'country' thing, last time I checked Chelsea was in England.
Football is a relatively simple game and Roy knows it 
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by bigmick » Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:33 am
He's a sheister and a mercenary who doesn't want to play for us. He'd take a move anywhere else as long as they lined his pockets enough. Get rid, I can imagine him and his agent stinking out the training ground with their attitude.
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