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by **parchpea** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:25 pm

Hodgson will improve what we have at the club already and I beleive we will finish above 7th next year. We wont be world beaters but Hodgson will set his stall out, work with our under achievers, and give us a better campaign than last sesaon if that I am confident. No point in dwelling on the negatives, that will resolve itself eventually but right now I just want to see a Liverpool team playing with confidence and expressing itself on the park, and importantly trying to win football matches in a positive fashion.I think we will get that this year.

by **Ben Patrick** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:36 pm

parchpea wrote:Hodgson will improve what we have at the club already and I beleive we will finish above 7th next year. We wont be world beaters but Hodgson will set his stall out, work with our under achievers, and give us a better campaign than last sesaon if that I am confident. No point in dwelling on the negatives, that will resolve itself eventually but right now I just want to see a Liverpool team playing with confidence and expressing itself on the park, and importantly trying to win football matches in a positive fashion.I think we will get that this year.

But how do you know this ?

Sorry for the benny the noon style post,

by **Reg** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:40 pm

Hang on... according to the Telegraph its not a done deal.

I dont like this talk of how much money he can spend from sales revenue. Who's he selling? Small fish or big fish?? Squeeky bottom time.
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Roy Hodgson seeking cash guarantee before he considers joining Liverpool

Liverpool are understood to be extremely close to agreeing terms with Roy Hodgson to become their new manager. However Hodgson is still seeking assurances from the club’s owners over what proportion of funds from player sales will be made available to strengthen the squad.

By Rory Smith and Jason Burt
Published: 7:00AM BST 30 Jun 2010

Due diligence:Roy Hodgson's conditions will need to be met before he joins Liverpool Photo: GETTY IMAGES
On Tuesday night, Liverpool agreed a compensation package with Fulham, who have been seeking £2.5 million to release the 62-year-old from his contract, and talks continued to progress positively.

Hodgson is understood to have one or two issues that he wants to resolve before he signs a contract at Anfield although it is still hoped he will be presented as Rafael Benitez’s successor by the end of this week. It’s not thought Hodgson’s demands are prohibitive.

Dalglish could quit if Liverpool appoint Hodgson If Hodgson does move then it will end a long process with Liverpool have initially sought permission to speak to him four weeks ago. Fulham were reluctant to allow that while it also appeared the Anfield club were looking at other candidates.

Liverpool are believed to have around £15 million set aside to bolster a squad which finished a disappointing seventh in the Premier League last season, though club sources admit that will be reduced by whatever compensation is paid to Fulham.

Though Anfield’s financial straits preclude any increase on that figure, Hodgson is thought to be concerned at the prospect of losing several of Liverpool’s most valuable assets and not being handed the finances to boost his resources.

Should he take over at Anfield, his first task is likely to be rubber-stamping Yossi Benayoun’s £5.5 million switch to Chelsea, while Javier Mascherano is expected to depart.

Doubts continue to linger over the futures of Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres, too. Though reports that Real Madrid have lodged a £20 million offer for the Liverpool and England captain are believed to be premature, the Spanish side’s new manager, Jose Mourinho, is a known admirer of the 30-year-old.

Gerrard, like Torres, is concerned that the continuing doubts over Liverpool’s owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, may compromise the club’s ability to compete on and off the field and, while he has not yet made a decision on where he will play next season, he is known to be considering his future.

His strike partner, meanwhile, is the subject of concerted interest from Chelsea, while the new Barcelona president, Sandro Rosell, has also made it clear he would like to tempt the Spanish international back to his homeland, though any such deal would be dependent on the sale of Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

Liverpool’s senior players have been kept informed of developments in the club’s search for Benitez’s replacement and have raised no objections to the appointment of the Fulham manager, but Hodgson is nevertheless likely to seek talks with Gerrard and Torres in a bid to keep them on Merseyside.

Should either choose to leave, though, he does not wish to suffer a repeat of Benitez’s final summer at Liverpool, when the Spaniard discovered he had far less money to spend than he had previously thought.

The former England manager Sven-Goran Eriksson has emerged as Hodgson’s most likely replacement at Craven Cottage should he accept Liverpool’s offer.

Other candidates include Tony Mowbray. Mark Hughes, who has also been linked to the job, turned down an approach from the Dubai club Al Ahli to become their manager on Tuesday.

by **woof woof !** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:46 pm

bavlondon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Aldo on Roy Hodgson's appointment http://bit.ly/bRUmi0

Blocked in work...what does he say ?

Singing his praises, he has a lot of experience, knowledge of the game, respected by all ect... and that he has a job on his hands to convince our stars to say.

Generally positive though from him. A few digs at Rafa too.

Good clip. Agree with all thats being said.

"A few digs at Rafa" ?

I don't consder Aldo saying "Rafa lost a few players last season, underlined by the performance at Hull" as a DIG, it was (imo) just an honest opinion.

by **tubby** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:51 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Aldo on Roy Hodgson's appointment http://bit.ly/bRUmi0

Blocked in work...what does he say ?

Singing his praises, he has a lot of experience, knowledge of the game, respected by all ect... and that he has a job on his hands to convince our stars to say.

Generally positive though from him. A few digs at Rafa too.

Good clip. Agree with all thats being said.

"A few digs at Rafa" ?

I don't consder Aldo saying "Rafa lost a few players last season, underlined by the performance at Hull" as a DIG, it was (imo) just an honest opinion.

Maybe but I remember him not talking so kindly of him towards the end so I saw it as a dig.

But regarding the above article it's the right move from Roy to get it spelt out in black and white how much he will have to spend. £15 mil is peanuts, it's even 15 after compensation paid to them.

I thought Hicks said thsi summer was going to be 'big'?

Big trouble more like

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:54 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
parchpea wrote:Hodgson will improve what we have at the club already and I beleive we will finish above 7th next year. We wont be world beaters but Hodgson will set his stall out, work with our under achievers, and give us a better campaign than last sesaon if that I am confident. No point in dwelling on the negatives, that will resolve itself eventually but right now I just want to see a Liverpool team playing with confidence and expressing itself on the park, and importantly trying to win football matches in a positive fashion.I think we will get that this year.

But how do you know this ?

Sorry for the benny the noon style post,

He didn't say he "knew", he said he "believed".

No one knows what the season will entail. Hodgson isn't world class, but nor was Rafa last season.

The key is to get behind the manager and see how he delivers. No one was expecting massive success for the next two years whilst the Americans are here, therefore why expect it with a new manager.

Added pressure of delivering results will end in complete failure, support however could reinvigorate a side needing a good season.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:02 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:Many foreign managers will dismiss British talent and favour foreign players.

With good reason - English "talent" is sh*te when compared with many foreign players.

In Spain, "talent" is being able to control a 60-yard pass and change direction with one touch.

In Italy, "talent" is the ability to control matches by tactics.

In Brazil, "talent" is the ability to control and play football in confined spaces.

In England, "talent" is being able to break someone's legs in a tackle but walk away unscathed yourself.

Just look at the spanking the English team gets whenever they play anyone good. Our most skillful player is probably Joe Cole, and he's sh*te compared to the vast majority of those from the Countries named above.

Until the dickhead kids team managers are forced to abandon this "I don't want to see skill - I want you to win" mentality, nothing will ever change.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:04 pm

Im made up that we have a British manager back managing our club. If we manage to keep hold of Torres and Gerrard (and I truly beleive they will have already made up their minds on this before Roy was appointed) I think we will have a better season than last year.

I thnk he looks like the type of manager that will play his players in their best positions and will breathe some beleif into a squad that looked mentally and physically knackered last year.

Congratulations Roy Hodgson, you are now the manager of the best football club in the world.

You'll Never Walk Alone

by **metalhead** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:20 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:Many foreign managers will dismiss British talent and favour foreign players.

With good reason - English "talent" is sh*te when compared with many foreign players.

In Spain, "talent" is being able to control a 60-yard pass and change direction with one touch.

In Italy, "talent" is the ability to control matches by tactics.

In Brazil, "talent" is the ability to control and play football in confined spaces.

In England, "talent" is being able to break someone's legs in a tackle but walk away unscathed yourself.

Just look at the spanking the English team gets whenever they play anyone good. Our most skillful player is probably Joe Cole, and he's sh*te compared to the vast majority of those from the Countries named above.

Until the dickhead kids team managers are forced to abandon this "I don't want to see skill - I want you to win" mentality, nothing will ever change.

I'm going to agree with Lando here, English talent is deteriorating, we have players who are built to be athletes rather than being footballers, and its showing.

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:01 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:Many foreign managers will dismiss British talent and favour foreign players.

With good reason - English "talent" is sh*te when compared with many foreign players.

In Spain, "talent" is being able to control a 60-yard pass and change direction with one touch.

In Italy, "talent" is the ability to control matches by tactics.

In Brazil, "talent" is the ability to control and play football in confined spaces.

In England, "talent" is being able to break someone's legs in a tackle but walk away unscathed yourself.

Just look at the spanking the English team gets whenever they play anyone good. Our most skillful player is probably Joe Cole, and he's sh*te compared to the vast majority of those from the Countries named above.

Until the dickhead kids team managers are forced to abandon this "I don't want to see skill - I want you to win" mentality, nothing will ever change.

I think there is another important factor as to why English players don't develop nearly enough and shows on the international stage. In the England squad, past and present, how many players in those squads actually played in other top leagues for longer than one or two seasons? In the current England squad, I think there was not a single player, so I reckon you've made a good point regarding playing styles.

People who are making the case for Roy being English and we need more English players have their head's up their hole IMO. They are the same people who would argue with you until they are blue in the face that the game has not changed since our glory days and that "British" is the way to go. Absolute bollox. How many foreign players play in the top sides now as opposed to, say, even 15 years ago nevermind 20 odd. I think you'll see a startling difference and for good reason, those reasons being the points you alluded to. I remember back in '95 (I think) when Boro' signed a little Brazilian called Juninho. At the time he wasn't even the most talented Brazilian in the national team, far from it, but Sky Sports had a :censored:

frenzy over the player, about how skillful he was and how he was bringing Brazillian skill and flare to the Prem, simply just for the fact he was Brazillian. Now, today, whenever a flare player is signed, it's nothing but run of the mill. No Samba music, no big featurettes.

by **maguskwt** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:02 pm

Lee J wrote:
maguskwt wrote:Disappointed, very disappointed. It's not Roy's fault but he's simply not good enough for lfc. Out of all the names we've been linked why is he the 1st choice? Some don't realize it but for some it is glaringly obvious.

maybe because we aint as tasty a prospect as you think we are. in reality we've landed the best manager for this club at this time - he'll do great im sure

I never thought we are a tasty prospect at all like some on here say "we are liverpool we can attract the best managers"... you are missing my point... Roy Hodgson is the BOARD's first choice... Not Kenny Dalglish who has let it be known that he was interested in the job... and we won't have to pay anyone 2 millions if they chose Kenny. Now tell me why that is? It's simple. Roy Hodgson won't be a problem for the owners or the bankmen who are running the club. The Liverpool post is simply out of his league in normal circumstances. So he's just gonna keep quiet even if he wasn't given enough funds etc. The four of them wanted a yes-man and now they really got one...

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:07 pm

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:Im made up that we have a British manager back managing our club.

Why? Why should that even f*cking matter? F*ck his credentials, he's British so that's instant success, eh?

by **dawson99** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:11 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Ola Mr Benitez wrote:Im made up that we have a British manager back managing our club.

Why? Why should that even f*cking matter? F*ck his credentials, he's British so that's instant success, eh?

maybe he'll have some passion we may have been lacking recently?
Maybe he'll give our youngsters a chance instead of buying shedloads of young foreign players

all ifs and buts mind you, but worth thinking about

by **Ben Patrick** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:15 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
parchpea wrote:Hodgson will improve what we have at the club already and I beleive we will finish above 7th next year. We wont be world beaters but Hodgson will set his stall out, work with our under achievers, and give us a better campaign than last sesaon if that I am confident. No point in dwelling on the negatives, that will resolve itself eventually but right now I just want to see a Liverpool team playing with confidence and expressing itself on the park, and importantly trying to win football matches in a positive fashion.I think we will get that this year.

But how do you know this ?

Sorry for the benny the noon style post,

He didn't say he "knew", he said he "believed".

No one knows what the season will entail. Hodgson isn't world class, but nor was Rafa last season.

The key is to get behind the manager and see how he delivers. No one was expecting massive success for the next two years whilst the Americans are here, therefore why expect it with a new manager.

Added pressure of delivering results will end in complete failure, support however could reinvigorate a side needing a good season.

i was taking the p!ss mate because its what the type of response i was getting from him all day yesterday thats all

Benny not parchpea

by **Reg** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:18 pm

metalhead wrote:I'm going to agree with Lando here, English talent is deteriorating, we have players who are built to be athletes rather than being footballers, and its showing.

Thats also evident with the England rugby team, superb physiques but cant play rugby.

It was a sports science theory a few years back (maybe it still hasn't been discredited yet, I dont know), give me a superb athlete and I´ll teach him a sport. ie whichever one will make him the most money.

Theres some logic but its not sustainable as eventually lesser teams adapt their play and negate the benefit. Hence teams know how to counter our fast pace EPL style footy and put us on the same pitch as a skillful side, they slow things down and out-play us rather than out run us.

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