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Sir Roger wrote:

Ben Patrick wrote:Yes, its a contradiction.

Unless we have different perceptions of what strolling is 

OK
"run lots" means he runs around much of the time. Usually with not much purpose. It looks as if hes busy and having an effect on the game.
"strolls around" means that other times during a match he wanders aimlessly while play is going on around him. He is not doing much but observing.
No contradiction
If I would have said: "he constantly runs all game" and then said "he strolls around through the game" then you would have had a point.
But I didnt so you havent

Well that makes more sense.

even if it is utter sh!te 

I never see him just strolling around. I actually think with mascherano and Kuyt he is one of the hardest working players in the side.
Limited definately, someone who strolls around...no chance.

Ben Patrick wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:

Ben Patrick wrote:Yes, its a contradiction.

Unless we have different perceptions of what strolling is 

OK
"run lots" means he runs around much of the time. Usually with not much purpose. It looks as if hes busy and having an effect on the game.
"strolls around" means that other times during a match he wanders aimlessly while play is going on around him. He is not doing much but observing.
No contradiction
If I would have said: "he constantly runs all game" and then said "he strolls around through the game" then you would have had a point.
But I didnt so you havent

Well that makes more sense.

even if it is utter sh!te 

I never see him just strolling around. I actually think with mascherano and Kuyt he is one of the hardest working players in the side.
Limited definately, someone who strolls around...no chance.

I never said "just strolling around" did I? That would imply that I meant thats all he does. He runs lots as well.
Just because you have never seen him strolling doesnt mean it doesnt happen. I have watched games specifically focussing on Lucas and witnessed him with my own eyes strolling and lightly jogging round the pitch as the action goes on around him. I suggest you check out some recorded games and you will see what I mean.

Ben Patrick wrote:I will leave it at that, i do watch games mate.
I dont need to watch them back to disagree, as at the time i would have noticed something like that.
Your description seems more of someone like Babel, he wanders round aimlessly and then every now and then will get a burst of effort for some reason. Lucas to me is nothing like that.
But we'll agree to disagree on this one.

andy_g wrote:its funny looking at some of the OPTA stats which have just come out for the 09/10 season. these two in particular made me sit up and take notice...

Tacklers        Team       Tackles  Success rate             
Mascherano   Liverpool 178             81%      
Diamé     Wigan    176             71%      
Muamba     Bolton         152             67%      
Lucas    Liverpool 148             69%      
Petrov Aston Villa 143             76%

Passers         Team          Passes   Accuracy             
Ferguson       Birmingham 2169 80%      
Mascherano     Liverpool         2115 83%      
Lampard       Chelsea         1927 81%      
Terry       Chelsea         1906 87%      
Lucas       Liverpool         1832 84%


i'm sure that lost will jump in and say that 'yeah, but they were all 5 yard sideways passes' and other such imaginary bullshít, but its revealing that mascherano and lucas our 'disasterous' midfield partnership feature in the top 5 tacklers and passers for the season. no sign of gerrard in there at all, which is illuminating.

the common consensus on here is that we need a more creative midfield pairing and i go along with that completely, but i'm imagining that these are just the kind of stats that benitez is looking at when he's picking his team. its all about 'controlling the game' right?

another non-lucas-related stat that comes up is that we hit the post 20 times - way more than any other team. i wonder if half of those had gone in where we would be. at the very least its going to provide a lot of ammunition for rafa and his rafapologists.

"imaginary "  You could pass to the man next to you every time you get the ball and have a 100% acurate pass rate.
Passes and tackles do not win games. Goals do

Sir Roger wrote:Passes and tackles do not win games. Goals do

Sir Roger wrote:Average at his very, very best.
Chelsea, skank ush'ited and ar'seholes wouldnt give him a look in.
Rafa loves him. He picks him. So he plays
Thats the most exciting thing I can say about him

dawson99 wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:Average at his very, very best.
Chelsea, skank ush'ited and ar'seholes wouldnt give him a look in.
Rafa loves him. He picks him. So he plays
Thats the most exciting thing I can say about him

Every team has one tho. Would we play Park, Fletcher or Bendtner?

Actually, looking at Manure, the old players, the average players... how do they keep doing it?

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:That's the thing about Wikipedia ,often its not based on fact just a huge amount of vigorous self gratification

Sir Roger wrote:Average at his very, very best.
Chelsea, skank ush'ited and ar'seholes wouldnt give him a look in.
Rafa loves him. He picks him. So he plays
Thats the most exciting thing I can say about him

psycllone wrote:one of the worst ever players to have played for liverpool.... he cant pass the ball for nuts,he is as slow as a 1926 bently,he lacks flair and he cant shoot for nuts....i feel he is one of the main reason for our pathetic condition this season! has he even come close to fillin alonso's boots??along with hicks and gillet i hope this lazy brazillian leaves!

If this post wasn't so tragic it would be comical   
1 post good start ....... one question though... where do you people come from   seriously shouldn't you be saving all your "original " material for the Edinburgh Comedy Festival