Liverpool FC Forum

[shawnk]

The thing is, I believe he'll never be good enough.
This season he has been very poor and average is the best he can ever hope for.

He never tackles, has no pace, tries a through ball every 10th game, poor in the air, very poor defensivly and makes clumsy challenges. You can not loose the ball and just jog back making no attempt to win back the ball.

He can't have the excuse of being too young either. He is 23 years old and has got something like 2 goals and 2 assists in 45 games.

Like Insua and Ngog, sometimes you just have to accept that
some players will never be good enough.

Yep, how old is Messi again?

[Sir Roger]

The thing is, I believe he'll never be good enough.
This season he has been very poor and average is the best he can ever hope for.

He never tackles, has no pace, tries a through ball every 10th game, poor in the air, very poor defensivly and makes clumsy challenges. You can not loose the ball and just jog back making no attempt to win back the ball.

He can't have the excuse of being too young either. He is 23 years old and has got something like 2 goals and 2 assists in 45 games.

Like Insua and Ngog, sometimes you just have to accept that
some players will never be good enough.

And yet Rafa prefers him to Aquilani...

[Fauxy]

The thing is, I believe he'll never be good enough.
This season he has been very poor and average is the best he can ever hope for.

He never tackles, has no pace, tries a through ball every 10th game, poor in the air, very poor defensivly and makes clumsy challenges. You can not loose the ball and just jog back making no attempt to win back the ball.

He can't have the excuse of being too young either. He is 23 years old and has got something like 2 goals and 2 assists in 45 games.

Like Insua and Ngog, sometimes you just have to accept that
some players will never be good enough.

And yet Rafa prefers him to Aquilani...

The mind boggles 

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Lucas voted best young player by the fans on Lfctv

as voted by the fans

Strange how quiet this particular thread becomes when the Lad is actually applauded and not castigated ......
I thoroughly think he deserves it ,the Lad has performed admirably in the role he was deployed in ,and if even half the team had shown the same commitment to the tackle ,then we would not be in such a lowly position

[kazza]

The thing is, I believe he'll never be good enough.
This season he has been very poor and average is the best he can ever hope for.

He never tackles, has no pace, tries a through ball every 10th game, poor in the air, very poor defensivly and makes clumsy challenges. You can not loose the ball and just jog back making no attempt to win back the ball.

He can't have the excuse of being too young either. He is 23 years old and has got something like 2 goals and 2 assists in 45 games.

Like Insua and Ngog, sometimes you just have to accept that
some players will never be good enough.

Yep, how old is Messi again?

Messi is a once a generation type player. To use his as an example is laughable. Try comparing him to a 23 year old Barry for example.

[Penguins]

Well ,that doesn't change the fact that forwhatever reason Lucas just isn't going to cut it, be it age, skill, mentality or all of the above.

Is it just me who so how lethargic Lucas is on the field?
How clumsy he is when he does challenge?
Or that when he looses the ball, he doesn't try win it back by working his socks off. No, he jogs back and it's ****ing me off.

And Lfc isn't a club that should be working with potential.
That is what players do in smaller clubs before they come to lfc or we'll never get anywhere.

Was a long time ago I have seen a player become invisible in so many games during a season. He doesn't tackle and win balls back like Masch, he doesn't make penetrating passes to his teammates, he doesn't score. He just make 5 yard sideway passes getting us nowhere and slows down the play.

[Ben Patrick]

Well ,that doesn't change the fact that forwhatever reason Lucas just isn't going to cut it, be it age, skill, mentality or all of the above.

Is it just me who so how lethargic Lucas is on the field?
How clumsy he is when he does challenge?
Or that when he looses the ball, he doesn't try win it back by working his socks off. No, he jogs back and it's ****ing me off.

And Lfc isn't a club that should be working with potential.
That is what players do in smaller clubs before they come to lfc or we'll never get anywhere.

Was a long time ago I have seen a player become invisible in so many games during a season. He doesn't tackle and win balls back like Masch, he doesn't make penetrating passes to his teammates, he doesn't score. He just make 5 yard sideway passes getting us nowhere and slows down the play.

Lethargic is certainly something that you could not say about him 

Clumsy yes, but in no way is he lethargic. He works hard.

that's probably the main reason Rafa selects him every week.

[andy_g]

He just make 5 yard sideway passes getting us nowhere and slows down the play.

we know that lucas isn't the new alonso, the new iniesta or even the new danny murphy. but FFS how much longer are people going to keep trotting out this ridiculous line?

[Sir Roger]

Depends on what you think his job is:
If you think it is to run lots, put some tackles in, pass sideways, occasionally get in the opponents box, stroll round, give needless, stupid or dangerous free kicks away and look clueless a lot of the time then hes good at his job
If you think its to pass forward, go on runs, hit 10 to 60 yard balls, do box to box, stamp his authority, inspire others or create and score goals then hes not.

[Ben Patrick]

Depends on what you think his job is:
If you think it is to run lots, put some tackles in, pass sideways, occasionally get in the opponents box, stroll round, give needless, stupid or dangerous free kicks away and look clueless a lot of the time then hes good at his job
If you think its to pass forward, go on runs, hit 10 to 60 yard balls, do box to box, stamp his authority, inspire others or create and score goals then hes not.

How can he run around alot and stroll around ?

[andy_g]

Depends on what you think his job is:
If you think it is to run lots, put some tackles in, pass sideways, occasionally get in the opponents box, stroll round, give needless, stupid or dangerous free kicks away and look clueless a lot of the time then hes good at his job
If you think its to pass forward, go on runs, hit 10 to 60 yard balls, do box to box, stamp his authority, inspire others or create and score goals then hes not.

How can he run around alot and stroll around ?

one leg runs, the other strolls, he ends up going round in circles.

[Emerald Red]

The thing is, I believe he'll never be good enough.
This season he has been very poor and average is the best he can ever hope for.

He never tackles, has no pace, tries a through ball every 10th game, poor in the air, very poor defensivly and makes clumsy challenges. You can not loose the ball and just jog back making no attempt to win back the ball.

He can't have the excuse of being too young either. He is 23 years old and has got something like 2 goals and 2 assists in 45 games.

Like Insua and Ngog, sometimes you just have to accept that
some players will never be good enough.

And yet Rafa prefers him to Aquilani...

Actually, I would say no. He may prefere Lucas holding, but I doubt he'd tell you that Lucas has more ability than him. You never know: a couple of signings and a change in system could see Lucas drop to the bench for next season in more games. Aquinali could be like a new signing. Oh, wait....

[Ben Patrick]

Depends on what you think his job is:
If you think it is to run lots, put some tackles in, pass sideways, occasionally get in the opponents box, stroll round, give needless, stupid or dangerous free kicks away and look clueless a lot of the time then hes good at his job
If you think its to pass forward, go on runs, hit 10 to 60 yard balls, do box to box, stamp his authority, inspire others or create and score goals then hes not.

How can he run around alot and stroll around ?

one leg runs, the other strolls, he ends up going round in circles.

Seriously though, you couldnt make it up.

I agree Lucas has his limitations and i wouldnt have him in the first eleven regulaly myself. But he is nowhere near as bad as made out.
Also he is not lethargic and definately does not stroll around.

[dawson99]

The thing is, I believe he'll never be good enough.
This season he has been very poor and average is the best he can ever hope for.

He never tackles, has no pace, tries a through ball every 10th game, poor in the air, very poor defensivly and makes clumsy challenges. You can not loose the ball and just jog back making no attempt to win back the ball.

He can't have the excuse of being too young either. He is 23 years old and has got something like 2 goals and 2 assists in 45 games.

Like Insua and Ngog, sometimes you just have to accept that
some players will never be good enough.

And yet Rafa prefers him to Aquilani...

Actually, I would say no. He may prefere Lucas holding, but I doubt he'd tell you that Lucas has more ability than him. You never know: a couple of signings and a change in system could see Lucas drop to the bench for next season in more games. Aquinali could be like a new signing. Oh, wait....

Lucas isn't a holding player though. Maybe once, just once, Rafa will buy a player and not completely destroy his career by playig him in the completely wrong position

[Emerald Red]

The thing is, I believe he'll never be good enough.
This season he has been very poor and average is the best he can ever hope for.

He never tackles, has no pace, tries a through ball every 10th game, poor in the air, very poor defensivly and makes clumsy challenges. You can not loose the ball and just jog back making no attempt to win back the ball.

He can't have the excuse of being too young either. He is 23 years old and has got something like 2 goals and 2 assists in 45 games.

Like Insua and Ngog, sometimes you just have to accept that
some players will never be good enough.

And yet Rafa prefers him to Aquilani...

Actually, I would say no. He may prefere Lucas holding, but I doubt he'd tell you that Lucas has more ability than him. You never know: a couple of signings and a change in system could see Lucas drop to the bench for next season in more games. Aquinali could be like a new signing. Oh, wait....

Lucas isn't a holding player though. Maybe once, just once, Rafa will buy a player and not completely destroy his career by playig him in the completely wrong position

He is a holding mid, despite what Stan Collymore might tell us all. And I don't see who Benitez has bought (bar Dirk Kuyt) who's position he has altered and wrecked their career with. In fact, I wouldn't even say that it's that unusual for a striker to be put on either wing.