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[Leonmc0708]

Dave Kitson is a Championship player always has been and always will be.

[bigmick]

I don't know a huge amount about him (Kitson) but Coppell recently described him as being one of the best strikers in the division, which did strike me as being a little odd as he came off the bench that day. On the odd occasion I've seen snippets of him though he kind of looked like a footballing centre forward to me, with decent touch and quite happy (perhaps too happy in Coppells eyes) to drop in and join in the play. A couple of teams have apparently had a look at him this season, and no doubt we'll soon know one way or another whether he's much cop as he will probably move at the end of the season for a reasonable fee.

On a slightly side issue, I do wish people would leave alone this "if you were such an expert you'd be working for a club, not as a cocktail barman/plumber etc etc". It is a ridiculous argument on a couple of fronts. Firstly, even people who do work for clubs as scouts, managers or coaches will toitally disagree about the qualities of many players, the validity of certain systems, certain tactics etc etc. Working within the game doesn't miraculously allow you to become all seeing, to be in the know and to instantly knowe what is definatively correct. Didn't Houllier used to be a school teacher for instance, and perhaps Rafa as well (not sure on that one, probably wrong)?, and Mourinho an interpreter?

This idea that people who have played football to a good standard but didn't finally make it as a pro, but have played with and against pro's on many occasions, and know a couple of pro's quite well simply don't have any knowledge because they don't work within the game is daft. Stu talks b0ll0cks on occasions as do we all, but this "where's your coaching badges" argument has got to be the lamest defence of someone's stance we ever get on here. If he's talking b0ll0cks, it's because he's talking b0ll0cks and not because he doesn't work for Macclesfield as youth team coach. The "where's youir coaching badges" stance also presupposes that people within the game never talk b0ll0cks. "Torres isn't effective between the lines against teams who defend deep" must be right then. Do me a favour.

[Leonmc0708]

Kitson : 9
Kuyt : 9

goals scored thie season.

obviously Kitson is better ?

[bigmick]

Well it's not quite as simple as who has scored the most goals, but since it's out there for discussion (BTW I'm noit saying Kitson is better than Kuyt as he probably isn't). It is probably fair to say it'd be easier to score a goal playing for Liverpool than it would be for Reading. Kuyt has played the last eight games or so on the right, but before that had an extended trun at centre forward, alongside Torres who it is probably fair to say is the main focus of the oppositions defending. Kuyt has actually scored three league goals (don't know how many of Kitsons were league goals), two penalties and one unintentional ricochet. Kuyt is no doubt a few years older (couldn't be certain on this but I'm guessing it is so), would be more expensive from a wages point of view, and lets be perfectly honest here, won't in the future be good enough to play up front in a team which has pretensions of winning the league. All that said Kitson probably isn't either, but if I was defending dirk I wouldn't personally have gone for the goal scoring comparison myself.

[66-1112520797]

Kitson could do it at any level, obviously he'd have to learn extra tactical discipline's but he's an excellent forward with alot of good attributes, he drops deep well and links play well aswell as being good with his back to goal, he's a similar level of player to Ashton but different, he's more mobile while still having a good (not as good as Ashton) physical presence, I also think he'd be more suited to playing along side Torres, he can also link well with midfiielders which would help get alot out of Gerrard.

Some people want you banned again, but with comedy input like this, I think you should stay lad.

He talks more football on here than you do sarcasm ..... lad.

Which is not necessarily a bad thing ?

He puts more input into this forum where football is concerned  than you do. The people who "want him banned" are either a figment of your immagination, or quite simply put 'interent fairys'

I dont agree with everything he says, infacy sometimes I think he chatsa b0llocks, but on the whole he is a good football poster, something your good sekf would do well to to listen from. 

(soory about my poor English, I've been learning Chinese Mandarin and getting conmuddled up.)

[lakes10]

Rafa still spent 150 mil on a team that he says can not win the prem with.

Thanks for that, informative and innovative look on the situation. Great.

 

[god_bless_john_houlding]

I've no problems with Kitson's name being thrown in. It's another name for us to chew over, some may not think he's up to it, some may think he is. Isn't that the point of this place, to exchange opinions? We've seen over the years how little clubs produce gems, Steve Finnan came from a mickey mouse side in Fulham and he's proven to be a loyal servant to the club without really being exceptional, maybe Kitson could do the same. I personally think he's a decent player, links up well and can pop up with the odd goal. If it was a toss up between him and Kuyt, I'd take Kitson. If it was a toss up between him and Crouch then I'd stick with Crouch.

[NANNY RED]

I've no problems with Kitson's name being thrown in. It's another name for us to chew over, some may not think he's up to it, some may think he is. Isn't that the point of this place, to exchange opinions? We've seen over the years how little clubs produce gems, Steve Finnan came from a mickey mouse side in Fulham and he's proven to be a loyal servant to the club without really being exceptional, maybe Kitson could do the same. I personally think he's a decent player, links up well and can pop up with the odd goal. If it was a toss up between him and Kuyt, I'd take Kitson. If it was a toss up between him and Crouch then I'd stick with Crouch.

Not bein funny like John but whats the point in even talking about Kitson hes not in the Liverpool class mate . Ive just been watching the Rezzies and a good shout has to go out for Nemeth, outstanding I would actually rate him better than Kitson and he will defo be included in with the big boys next season

[god_bless_john_houlding]

I've no problems with Kitson's name being thrown in. It's another name for us to chew over, some may not think he's up to it, some may think he is. Isn't that the point of this place, to exchange opinions? We've seen over the years how little clubs produce gems, Steve Finnan came from a mickey mouse side in Fulham and he's proven to be a loyal servant to the club without really being exceptional, maybe Kitson could do the same. I personally think he's a decent player, links up well and can pop up with the odd goal. If it was a toss up between him and Kuyt, I'd take Kitson. If it was a toss up between him and Crouch then I'd stick with Crouch.

Not bein funny like John but whats the point in even talking about Kitson hes not in the Liverpool class mate . Ive just been watching the Rezzies and a good shout has to go out for Nemeth, outstanding I would actually rate him better than Kitson and he will defo be included in with the big boys next season

I don't think Kitson is the answer nanny and I've seen Nemeth on a few occasions meself and think the lad has promise but then again I thought the same about John Durnin, Lee Jones and Neil Mellor none who really made the grade.

I'm just saying that I feel Kitson is better than Kuyt basically and as a third/fourth choice forward wouldn't be the worst to have. My choice is still Steve Fletcher from hibs. He's the second top scorer in Scotland at the mo (behind Mcdonald of Celtic) he's only 20 and was called up for the Scotland squad for the first time against Croatia. He's a lad I think has promise, but won't get the move to a big english side because he plays for a little side like Hibs and big clubs feel that local talent doesn't exist anymore so we have to go out and bring in a lad from abroad who is no better than what you see on a park.

[NANNY RED]

But whats the point in bringing second rated youngters in when we have some crackin youngsters in the rezzies there already learning the style of play and its being put to good use id say Ablett has got a great set of players there to choose from if you talking about second or third choice . Why spend money on them when we already have them. The only money that surely should be spent is on Woeld class players who are gonna be in the starting eleven.

So if you talking second and third choice in the squad weve already got them

[god_bless_john_houlding]

I agree nanny, I've made it no secret I'd rather see youngsters given a go rather than mickey mouse players.

[Torres 2007]

Listen Pal, I dont know where you got your info, but asides from the fees involved, the bigger isssue is ALL of the playes Rafa has bought who are USELESS, who he has either sold or let go, or are not good enough to break through to the first team, just show no quality currently. I count about 38! :

(See below)


Josemi Rey Malaga £2,000,000 26.07.2004
Antonio Nunez Real Madrid £1,500,000* 17.08.2004
Luis Garcia Barcelona £6,000,000 20.08.2004
Mauricio Pellegrino Valencia Free 05.01.2005
Fernando Morientes Real Madrid £6,300,000 13.01.2005
Scott Carson Leeds United £1,000,000 21.01.2005
Josh Mimms Rotherham United £50,000 16.06.2005
Antonio Barragan Sevilla £240,000 04.07.2005
Boudewijn Zenden Free Transfer Free* 04.07.2005
Mohamed Sissoko Valencia £5,600,000 14.07.2005
Peter Crouch Southampton £7,000,000 20.07.2005
Godwin Antwi Real Zaragoza Unknown 15.08.2005
Miki Roque Lleida Unknown 15.08.2005
Jack Hobbs Lincoln City £150,000* 18.08.2005
Besian Idrizaj LASK Linz £190,000* 22.08.2005
Ramon Calliste Free Transfer Free* 29.08.2005
Mark Gonzalez Albacete £1,500,000* 20.10.2005
Paul Anderson Hull City Player Exchange* 01.01.2006
Jan Kromkamp Villareal Player Exchange* 04.01.2006
David Martin MK Dons £250,000* 12.01.2006
Robbie Fowler Man City Free 27.01.2006
Craig Bellamy Blackburn £6,000,000 01.07.2006
Gabriel Paletta Club Atlético Banfield £2,000,000 04.07.2006
Jermaine Pennant Birmingham £6,700,000 26.07.2006
Dirk Kuyt Feyenoord £9,000,000 18.08.2006
Nabil El Zhar St Etienne £200,000 21.08.2006
Astrit  Ajdarevic Falkenberg £750,000* 11.01.2007
Daniele Padelli Sampdoria On Loan* 12.01.2007
Jordy Brouwer Ajax Undisclosed* 24.01.2007
Francisco Durán Malaga £66,000* 30.01.2007
Lucas Pezzini Leiva Gremio £5,000,000 11.05.2007
Mikel San José Domínguez Athletic Bilbao £270,000 28.06.2007
Sebastian Leto Club Atlético Lanús £1,800,000 01.07.2007
Andriy Voronin Leverkusen Free* 06.07.2007
Yossi Benayoun West Ham £5,000,000 12.07.2007
Charles Itandje Lens Undisclosed 09.08.2007
Emiliano Insúa Boca Juniors £1,300,000* 26.08.2007
Martin Skrtel Zenit St Petersburg £6,500,000 11.01.2008

Thats over three teams worth of dross.!

SOme of these players ie; bellamy, fowler, morientes, etc he has let go after just one season, which questions his judgement on finding talent.

What Rafa needs is better judgement of quality signings.

[LFC2007]

Kitson could do it at any level, obviously he'd have to learn extra tactical discipline's but he's an excellent forward with alot of good attributes, he drops deep well and links play well aswell as being good with his back to goal, he's a similar level of player to Ashton but different, he's more mobile while still having a good (not as good as Ashton) physical presence, I also think he'd be more suited to playing along side Torres, he can also link well with midfiielders which would help get alot out of Gerrard.

Some people want you banned again, but with comedy input like this, I think you should stay lad.

He talks more football on here than you do sarcasm ..... lad.

Which is not necessarily a bad thing ?

He puts more input into this forum where football is concerned  than you do. The people who "want him banned" are either a figment of your immagination, or quite simply put 'interent fairys'

I dont agree with everything he says, infacy sometimes I think he chatsa b0llocks, but on the whole he is a good football poster, something your good sekf would do well to to listen from. 

Agreed mate, I have a new-found respect for GBJH's posts. His input is constructive, well thought out and he brings an entirely new dimension to the forum. Vive le GBJH!

[god_bless_john_houlding]

Listen Pal, I dont know where you got your info, but asides from the fees involved, the bigger isssue is ALL of the playes Rafa has bought who are USELESS, who he has either sold or let go, or are not good enough to break through to the first team, just show no quality currently. I count about 38! :

(See below)


Josemi Rey Malaga £2,000,000 26.07.2004
Antonio Nunez Real Madrid £1,500,000* 17.08.2004
Luis Garcia Barcelona £6,000,000 20.08.2004
Mauricio Pellegrino Valencia Free 05.01.2005
Fernando Morientes Real Madrid £6,300,000 13.01.2005
Scott Carson Leeds United £1,000,000 21.01.2005
Josh Mimms Rotherham United £50,000 16.06.2005
Antonio Barragan Sevilla £240,000 04.07.2005
Boudewijn Zenden Free Transfer Free* 04.07.2005
Mohamed Sissoko Valencia £5,600,000 14.07.2005
Peter Crouch Southampton £7,000,000 20.07.2005
Godwin Antwi Real Zaragoza Unknown 15.08.2005
Miki Roque Lleida Unknown 15.08.2005
Jack Hobbs Lincoln City £150,000* 18.08.2005
Besian Idrizaj LASK Linz £190,000* 22.08.2005
Ramon Calliste Free Transfer Free* 29.08.2005
Mark Gonzalez Albacete £1,500,000* 20.10.2005
Paul Anderson Hull City Player Exchange* 01.01.2006
Jan Kromkamp Villareal Player Exchange* 04.01.2006
David Martin MK Dons £250,000* 12.01.2006
Robbie Fowler Man City Free 27.01.2006
Craig Bellamy Blackburn £6,000,000 01.07.2006
Gabriel Paletta Club Atlético Banfield £2,000,000 04.07.2006
Jermaine Pennant Birmingham £6,700,000 26.07.2006
Dirk Kuyt Feyenoord £9,000,000 18.08.2006
Nabil El Zhar St Etienne £200,000 21.08.2006
Astrit  Ajdarevic Falkenberg £750,000* 11.01.2007
Daniele Padelli Sampdoria On Loan* 12.01.2007
Jordy Brouwer Ajax Undisclosed* 24.01.2007
Francisco Durán Malaga £66,000* 30.01.2007
Lucas Pezzini Leiva Gremio £5,000,000 11.05.2007
Mikel San José Domínguez Athletic Bilbao £270,000 28.06.2007
Sebastian Leto Club Atlético Lanús £1,800,000 01.07.2007
Andriy Voronin Leverkusen Free* 06.07.2007
Yossi Benayoun West Ham £5,000,000 12.07.2007
Charles Itandje Lens Undisclosed 09.08.2007
Emiliano Insúa Boca Juniors £1,300,000* 26.08.2007
Martin Skrtel Zenit St Petersburg £6,500,000 11.01.2008

Thats over three teams worth of dross.!

SOme of these players ie; bellamy, fowler, morientes, etc he has let go after just one season, which questions his judgement on finding talent.

What Rafa needs is better judgement of quality signings.

fair point, but some names on that list shouldn't be there I reckon. Crouch, Pennant, Anderson and possibly Skrtel (time will tell)

Crouch and Pennant have been mistreated by Benitez. Anderson has the ability to be a top right winger next year and like I've already said only time will tell with Skrtel.

Others will say Garcia, Benayoun, Kuyt, Sissoko and a fair few others shouldn't be on the list, when in truth they should be.

I don't know if Benitez needs to spot talent more because he's brought some in talent, just his squad players need to be better. The likes of Benayoun and Intandje and Bellamy. This is what he needs to work on. We've got a good set of players to start games but little else off the bench or to come in. This is where his transfers have failed, to many squad players who aren't up to the task.

[Bad Bob]

Yer, Fowler was absolutely rubbish for us wasn't he?  Oh wait, he actually scored most of the goals during the 05-06 run-in that got us to 82 points.   Garcia, another waster who did sweet feck all besides score huge goals in huge games to put us in the position for silverware.  Benayoun's managed to score a Pennant's career worth of goals already this season, on very few appearances.  Sissoko totally destroyed Barcelona last season, home and away while Crouch gave us our only win over Manchester United in years en route to an FA Cup win.  USELESS players?  Not a chance.