Liverpool FC Forum

[flamingpoe]

ballack and shevchenko are world class player but u dump a player into a team, and expect them to immediately have a effect, u can expect that of no player, every player needs time to settle into a team, and finnan i think is our weakest link, aside from our desperately lacking upfront situation

[66-1112520797]

Ideally I'd like to see us if possible sign another right midfielder. One who we'd consider an automatic choice, one who's name would be one of the first names penciled in on a team sheet every week. Pennant could play second fiddle to him or back-up I think if that could happen we'd have strength and depth in that area.

But its easy just to say we'd blah blah or I like blah blah especially when we have the very slow moving Rick Parry to get a deal signed. Other positions are more important aswell and it depends on the amount of cash Rafa has to spend.

[LFC2007]

and finnan i think is our weakest link

OK, you can have your opinion on Finnan I'll have mine, and the stats prove it.

[66-1112520797]

and finnan i think is our weakest link

Great player, he isnt defensively weak no way one of the better right backs in the Prem. Maybe he could attack a bit more, but a very underated player.

[HOMER]

thought we have 50m to spend.

messi - 35m, or 25m + sissoko, or 20m + alonso.

and before anyone says anythin they would sell him if the price was right (they sold figo to Real!)

the end of our right wing worries for the next 12 years.

[Emerald Red]

he is lightyears better than finnan was/will ever be !

coming off the bench ?! BENCH ?! he is one of the best defenders in the world and u expect him to be benched by a side lacking width ?!

if he comes... i expect him to start every game.... if not as RB as RW....

Light years better my ar.se, two entirely different styles, Alves the better technically but Finnan is a very adept full back. Our defensive record proves it.

And as you suggest, he is immune from being benched, I would say you are being a tad premature, and ignorant of the fact that he hasn't even played in England before. If he doesn't perform, he'll be benched.

All I can say is thank f*ck (once again) some people arn't the manager. Not having a go ace, but that's complete b@llocks. Rafa is a manager very astute on statistics, and actually picks players based on them. It's almost gospel to the man to do so. On that fact alone, Alves wouldn't start every game, and he certainly wouldn't put Finnan out of place. Like I said, what's the point of putting an attacking full back on, if you're bound to leak goals in crucial games? Most of our success in the CL was built on our solid defence. I wouldn't trade any of that defence for anyone untested as yet.

Quote (flamingpoe @ May 30 2007,14:29)

and finnan i think is our weakest link

Care to elaborate on this?

[aCe']

he is lightyears better than finnan was/will ever be !

coming off the bench ?! BENCH ?! he is one of the best defenders in the world and u expect him to be benched by a side lacking width ?!

if he comes... i expect him to start every game.... if not as RB as RW....

Light years better my ar.se, two entirely different styles, Alves the better technically but Finnan is a very adept full back. Our defensive record proves it.

And as you suggest, he is immune from being benched, I would say you are being a tad premature, and ignorant of the fact that he hasn't even played in England before. If he doesn't perform, he'll be benched.

All I can say is thank f*ck (once again) some people arn't the manager. Not having a go ace, but that's complete b@llocks. Rafa is a manager very astute on statistics, and actually picks players based on them. It's almost gospel to the man to do so. On that fact alone, Alves wouldn't start every game, and he certainly wouldn't put Finnan out of place. Like I said, what's the point of putting an attacking full back on, if you're bound to leak goals in crucial games? Most of our success in the CL was built on our solid defence. I wouldn't trade any of that defence for anyone untested as yet.

Quote (flamingpoe @ May 30 2007,14:29)

and finnan i think is our weakest link

Care to elaborate on this?

im sorry but if you think finnan is better than alves... you obviously either overrate finnan to say the least....or you havent seen alves...

i cant comprehend how ud thnk alves would be a sub. i liverpool with all the problems we have going forward from the sides...
and all the finnan is irreplacable ccrraaap .... thats whats keeping us back...we are too defensive and cautious for our own good... manutd conceded 27 in the league...same defensive record as we did ... and they played evra as a leftback... compare evra and alves and ull see that alves is a much better defender than evra is... we CAN AFFORD playing alves as a rightback...thats all im saying....if he comes...i expect him to start as RW but if he is played at RB i think hed be much more effective and we'd look ALOT better going forward !maybe limit riises going forward a bit and we got it all sortedout...many if not most top clubs have fullbacks or atleast 1 who are better at going forward than are they at defending... Manutd, Arsenal, Barcelona, Milan, Inter, RealMadrid....list goes on and on...

and again....alves is not a poor defender.... a pretty good one to say the least.... and when i said start every game i meat play regularly... finnan, carra, gerrard, even the likes of riise and kuyt do so why wont aves if he signs ?!

u underrate him...alot

[LFC2007]

he is lightyears better than finnan was/will ever be !

coming off the bench ?! BENCH ?! he is one of the best defenders in the world and u expect him to be benched by a side lacking width ?!

if he comes... i expect him to start every game.... if not as RB as RW....

Light years better my ar.se, two entirely different styles, Alves the better technically but Finnan is a very adept full back. Our defensive record proves it.

And as you suggest, he is immune from being benched, I would say you are being a tad premature, and ignorant of the fact that he hasn't even played in England before. If he doesn't perform, he'll be benched.

All I can say is thank f*ck (once again) some people arn't the manager. Not having a go ace, but that's complete b@llocks. Rafa is a manager very astute on statistics, and actually picks players based on them. It's almost gospel to the man to do so. On that fact alone, Alves wouldn't start every game, and he certainly wouldn't put Finnan out of place. Like I said, what's the point of putting an attacking full back on, if you're bound to leak goals in crucial games? Most of our success in the CL was built on our solid defence. I wouldn't trade any of that defence for anyone untested as yet.

Quote (flamingpoe @ May 30 2007,14:29)

and finnan i think is our weakest link

Care to elaborate on this?

im sorry but if you think finnan is better than alves... you obviously either overrate finnan to say the least....or you havent seen alves...

i cant comprehend how ud thnk alves would be a sub. i liverpool with all the problems we have going forward from the sides...
and all the finnan is irreplacable ccrraaap .... thats whats keeping us back...we are too defensive and cautious for our own good... manutd conceded 27 in the league...same defensive record as we did ... and they played evra as a leftback... compare evra and alves and ull see that alves is a much better defender than evra is... we CAN AFFORD playing alves as a rightback...thats all im saying....if he comes...i expect him to start as RW but if he is played at RB i think hed be much more effective and we'd look ALOT better going forward !maybe limit riises going forward a bit and we got it all sortedout...many if not most top clubs have fullbacks or atleast 1 who are better at going forward than are they at defending... Manutd, Arsenal, Barcelona, Milan, Inter, RealMadrid....list goes on and on...

and again....alves is not a poor defender.... a pretty good one to say the least.... and when i said start every game i meat play regularly... finnan, carra, gerrard, even the likes of riise and kuyt do so why wont aves if he signs ?!

u underrate him...alot

We're not underrating Alves, he is a top quality player but you are suggesting replacing a position that doesn't need fixing.

Finnan does get forward, he is just intelligent enough to know when to get forward, that is something he is exceptional at.

He reads the game well, and he can defend very well.

Why bring in Alves as a right back when we have the position in good hands with Finnan?

There's no doubt in my mind that playing Alves at right back would be a risk, he is not particularly good in the air, and his defensive capabilities are not his forte.

For what Finnan lacks in technical ability and "flair" going forward on the overlap, he makes up for in astute decision making and savvy defending.

I would see no problem in playing Alves on the right wing to compete with Pennant, but not too play him as a right back straight away, it is a risk to our defense that we cannot afford early on.

As for "Alves" not being a sub, ANYONE who doesn't perform will be subbed or benched, absolutely ANYONE.

Rafa will not go by reputation, he will go by how they look in training, how they perform on the pitch and if there are any injuries to the position.

To think Alves is beyond being benched is living in cloud cuckoo land.

[LFC2007]

Bringing in Alves to compete with Finnan I would have no problem with, once he has learnt the game and adapts to things, but that does not guarantee him a starting place.

[redtrader74]

Ideally I'd like to see us if possible sign another right midfielder. One who we'd consider an automatic choice, one who's name would be one of the first names penciled in on a team sheet every week. Pennant could play second fiddle to him or back-up I think if that could happen we'd have strength and depth in that area.

But its easy just to say we'd blah blah or I like blah blah especially when we have the very slow moving Rick Parry to get a deal signed. Other positions are more important aswell and it depends on the amount of cash Rafa has to spend.

Your right there, we are all harping on about 4-5 signings, yet can anyone see Parry overseeing the transfer of top class players in 10 weeks? He moves as quick as a constipated intestine.

[Emerald Red]

Ideally I'd like to see us if possible sign another right midfielder. One who we'd consider an automatic choice, one who's name would be one of the first names penciled in on a team sheet every week. Pennant could play second fiddle to him or back-up I think if that could happen we'd have strength and depth in that area.

But its easy just to say we'd blah blah or I like blah blah especially when we have the very slow moving Rick Parry to get a deal signed. Other positions are more important aswell and it depends on the amount of cash Rafa has to spend.

Your right there, we are all harping on about 4-5 signings, yet can anyone see Parry overseeing the transfer of top class players in 10 weeks? He moves as quick as a constipated intestine.

Parry has no real say anymore. At least I hope not. It's Hicks and Gillete that need to keep their word now. If the funds are there, then Rafa will certainly do the rest.

[LFC2007]

Parry is the one who will be conducting the business, Gillett and Hicks provide the funds.

They have said they will back Rafa but the rest is completely down to Parry and club executives.

[Emerald Red]

Parry is the one who will be conducting the business, Gillett and Hicks provide the funds.

They have said they will back Rafa but the rest is completely down to Parry and club executives.

In that case I fear the worst already.

[barnesrush]

i like pennant i think he will carry on improving next season so if we are to sign a right sided player it should be someone with experience who can immediately step in when rafa wants a more solid option at right mid than jermaine. for me (and im sure ill get slated for this) our best bet of a reliable bargain for a not too serious position is this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewVXt87lQp8

13 goals in 39 internationals from midfield, captain of his country. 66 in 300 career games.


whats more he looks like stevie g and im sure his name is pretty close to stevie g in hungarian. nah seriously i know we could do better but not for the price

[Emerald Red]

i like pennant i think he will carry on improving next season so if we are to sign a right sided player it should be someone with experience who can immediately step in when rafa wants a more solid option at right mid than jermaine. for me (and im sure ill get slated for this) our best bet of a reliable bargain for a not too serious position is this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewVXt87lQp8

13 goals in 39 internationals from midfield, captain of his country. 66 in 300 career games.


whats more he looks like stevie g and im sure his name is pretty close to stevie g in hungarian. nah seriously i know we could do better but not for the price

Refreshing to see you've pulled a name out that no one on the boards would not have even thought of. He looks like a quality player. You could be on to something. Would probably make a decent squad signing, rather than a big hitter we'd be after.