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by **Bad Bob** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:04 pm

My view: if it ain't broke (and it ain't) don't fix it. Leave Stevie where he is and look to bring someone in to fill Xabi's slot if he goes.

by **Dundalk** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:08 pm

Bad Bob wrote:My view: if it ain't broke (and it ain't) don't fix it. Leave Stevie where he is and look to bring someone in to fill Xabi's slot if he goes.

I think Nanny could do that :laugh:

by **Bad Bob** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:14 pm

Dundalk wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:My view: if it ain't broke (and it ain't) don't fix it. Leave Stevie where he is and look to bring someone in to fill Xabi's slot if he goes.

I think Nanny could do that

You've got her pegged. :oh:

by **Bammo** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:50 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Dundalk wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:My view: if it ain't broke (and it ain't) don't fix it. Leave Stevie where he is and look to bring someone in to fill Xabi's slot if he goes.

I think Nanny could do that

You've got her pegged.

and she's got....

nah...it's too easy

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:23 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:Ideally we should be looking to keep the system more or less as it is - it's a winner. A replacement for Xabi would therefore be preferrable, and I'd probably go for the more attacking option in someone like Sneijder - it would loosen the midfield somewhat but we'd gain an attacking dynamo able to create, link play and score. Our defence with Masch shielding is usually strong enough to cope against most, but whether this would be at the expense of ball retention or fluidity from the centre of the park, I'm not sure and for me that's the real risk (he's quite a small guy, Sneijder). The other - safer - option is to plump for someone more in the Alonso mould, like Cambiasso or Parker (so I read). Keep it as it is and see if the experience of last season, along with the addition of Johnson can push us all the way.

Totally agree on the Sneijder idea.

If we signed him and played him in the middle with Mascherano we would have a far greater attacking threat.
Yes you would lose some of the defensive cover that Alonso brings but how many games do we dominate anyway and have Alonso sitting in front of the back four far too deep ?

Exactly, we need good passing whoever we're up against, but when we're at home (and sometimes away) against the Hull's, Stokes, Fulhams, West Hams etc... that 'preparatory' or 'advancement' work Alonso does isn't as useful (I'm not saying he isn't useful) because we'll usually completely dominate possession and territory anyway. Sneijder's more of a specialist when it comes to the direct breaking down of stringent defences - he will get direct assists, he will get goals, and put simply he'd add another dimension to our attack. If we signed Parker too then we'd have the option of tightening things up for Chelsea, Man U away etc.

by **maguskwt** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:19 pm

So if we do get Sneijder, we gonna be bombarding the opponents with long shots, having both Gerrard and him...

by **Madmax** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:42 pm

ElNino9 wrote:-------------------Reina-------------------

Johnson-------Carra----Skrtel--------Aurelio

-------------------Masch------------------

Kuyt-----------------------------------Silva

-------------Gerrard----Sneijder------------

-------------------Torres-------------------

Subs: Cava, Agger, Arbeloa, Benny, Lucas, Babel, Voronin.

Johnson would get past Kuyt down the right and Kuyt would get in the middle as pretty much a striker. Aurelio would get crosses in aswell as Silva. Sneijder and Gerrard would make the great passes through for Torres to latch onto and score. Masch would continue to put in great tackles and we would win the league.

Good set up that is but doubt it will happen... Tempting line up..
IMO if we are to win the league we need silva or something similar to him!

by **ElNino9** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:10 pm

The good thing is Sneijder and Silva could switch throughout games coz both can play in 'the hole' and on the LW...

by **ElNino9** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:12 pm

Anyone know whether Silva is left or right footed?

by **roberto green** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:13 pm

ElNino9 wrote:The good thing is Sneijder and Silva could switch throughout games coz both can play in 'the hole' and on the LW...

Your talking as if these 2 players are near or nuf ours.Stop getting me excited

by **ElNino9** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:19 pm

by **Madmax** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:48 pm

ElNino9 wrote:Anyone know whether Silva is left or right footed?

Naturally his left footed but could play on the right!

Left wing ideal unless rafa wants to play him in goals..

by **agoodmentality** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:07 pm

aCe' wrote:rivaldo ? hahaha

and no we shouldnt move Gerrard back unless we find someone to play higher up who would contribute (along with Torres) as much as Gerrard does ... Midfielders who arent given alot of freedom usually dont score many goals... im not sure Gerrard would contribute half as much as he does now in terms of goals and assists if he played as a CM.. sure he'll score some from penalties and maybe a couple of freecicks but from open play his contribution would go down significantly... there arent many who would play his position and contribute anywhere near as much as he does. BUT, atleast in terms of direct contribution (goals & assists), i think the difference between a Gerrard in the middle of the park and say a Sneijder wouldnt be that great. heres some numbers i put together FROM LAST SEASON, make of them what you will..

Steven Gerrard

games started : 40 (2 sub appearances)
goals scored : 24 (0.57 goal/game)
assists : 11 (0.275 assist/game)

OVERALL : 0.85 (goal or assist/ game)

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Kaka

games started : 31 (4 sub appearances)
goals scored : 16 (0.46 goal/game)
assists : 10 (0.285 assist/game)

OVERALL : 0.745 (goal or assist/ game)

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Iniesta

games started : 36 (5 sub appearances)
goals scored : 5 (0.122 goal/game)
assists : 10 (0.24 assist/game)

OVERALL : 0.366 (goal or assist/ game)

----------------------------------------------------------

Xabi Alonso

games started : 38 (7 sub appearances)
goals scored : 4 (0.09 goal/game)
assists : 5 (0.11 assist/game)

OVERALL : 0.2 (goal or assist/ game)

Mascherano, who scored ZERO goals but managed 2 assists, amounting a massive 0.05 g&a/game over 38 games makes Xabis numbers look a little better mind you... but we'll leave him out of this one...
----------------------------------------------------------

Now, to put things in perspective... we have

central midfielders like Carrick (12 in 43 or 0.279) , Pirlo (4 in 29 or 0.138) , Essien (3 in 19 or 0.158)
and attacking midfielders like Lampard ( 39 in 57 or 0.684), Ronaldo ( 33 in 51 or 0.647)
etc etc...

Point is, no matter how good the central midfielder is, they wouldnt be expected to hit high figures in terms of goals and assits.. Exception being FABREGAS , who managed 16 in 32 or a 0.5 goal or assist/game ... and some say they dont rate him
I dont think theres many if any who would do anywhere as good as Gerrard is doing in the position he plays.. His ratio is absolutely phenomenal compared to the best players in the world, and i wouldnt want to change that quite yet...
If we bring in a world class forward then maybe it would be worth considering the idea but for now i wouldnt even think about it...

oh by the way i did Kuyt's just for the sake of it and he got a very respectable 0.489 g&a/game..

Hey statto did you even watch the clip?

and who the fruc are you laffin at?

by **Greavesie** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:19 pm

speakin of statto wheres owzat these days, he hasnt been around for a while

by **redhayesy** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:10 am

Reg wrote:Easier to say that his game has evolved since he last played CM full time - hence successive England managers dont know what to do with him.

very good point mate, but also who gives a sh1t about successive England managers anyway

if they can't see that playing sg in the role he had for us wasn't the best for LFC made by Raffa then that's their loss as well as England.

Stevie G's role last season was such a master stroke from Raffa that it makes no sence in changing it,remember west ham away last season-his so called free role was 100% proof that not only him ,but torres loves it aswell. the chances we'd made for scoring etc was a great piece of communication alround at the FC an it would be a great shame to jepordise that for me. unless their is a major signining in our attack for back up for torres,i say keep it as it is -proven to create an score goals in the posistion SG has currently got. keeping alonso & masha will ensure that this remains our best option.

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