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Would the FSG outers please tell me which Premier League football club model they would prefer Liverpool to adapt....note Premier League football model not a German model

I’d settle for a Mike Ashley type run of the mill sh.it owner over this crowd now tbh. Ashley is a **** but at least he didn’t try to ruin the English game. The footballing world doesn’t revolve around us and Manchester United, yes we have great history’s but there are at least 100 other pro and semi pro clubs in this country who all have their own histories, histories that often go back a lot further than ours, Everton are an old club but look at Notts County, Notts County we’re formed 26 years before not Everton but flipping St Domingo’s the Methodist church side that spawned Everton and ultimately us. Look at Fulham, they were formed the same year as Everton, they go back further than us. Look at the role the likes of Blackburn Rovers and the now extinct Blackburn Olympic played in wrestling the game away from the upper class university and army captain types, half starved wraiths working in factories all day then beating their well fed super fit social betters and claiming the game for the working classes. Look at the Preston’s and the Wolves’s and the Villa’s who’s chairman came up with the concept of a league in the first place.
All those clubs, all that history, our glorious owners wanted to dump the fvcking lot of it in the dustbin just to pad out their already bulging bank accounts.

[Eagle]

Not to many billionaire socialists out there. I guess we could seek out the morally outstanding Saudi or Chinese government. Or we could have a whip round on Newkit and see if we can pull together a couple of billion. Where's peewee when you need him.

[Eagle]

Would the FSG outers please tell me which Premier League football club model they would prefer Liverpool to adapt....note Premier League football model not a German model

I’d settle for a Mike Ashley type run of the mill sh.it owner over this crowd now tbh. Ashley is a **** but at least he didn’t try to ruin the English game. The footballing world doesn’t revolve around us and Manchester United, yes we have great history’s but there are at least 100 other pro and semi pro clubs in this country who all have their own histories, histories that often go back a lot further than ours, Everton are an old club but look at Notts County, Notts County we’re formed 26 years before not Everton but flipping St Domingo’s the Methodist church side that spawned Everton and ultimately us. Look at Fulham, they were formed the same year as Everton, they go back further than us. Look at the role the likes of Blackburn Rovers and the now extinct Blackburn Olympic played in wrestling the game away from the upper class university and army captain types, half starved wraiths working in factories all day then beating their well fed super fit social betters and claiming the game for the working classes. Look at the Preston’s and the Wolves’s and the Villa’s who’s chairman came up with the concept of a league in the first place.
All those clubs, all that history, our glorious owners wanted to dump the fvcking lot of it in the dustbin just to pad out their already bulging bank accounts.

Ashley wouldn't look back if Newcastle were offered the ESL. Neither would Parish, etc. Bottom line is they weren't invited but would jump at the chance to make 100s of millions more for their clubs. Football clubs have their own interests at stake. When Leeds looked like they were going out of business nobody helped them out instead clubs picked off their best players on the cheap. When H&G were bleeding the club dry no one gave a hoot. Even Carragher and Gerrard kept quite. Only Rafa stood up for the club and the fans. Fans always get jibbed. Whatever they might be saying now for PR and in order to get more power for their clubs these execs of the other 14 will be drinking wine and laughing about this with the execs of the 6 in their fancy boardrooms in a few months.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

How many people realise that this is the 4th attempt at European Super League


Out previous owners connected to the club - Moores also were involved previously in attempting to set up a European Super League to combat UEFA


It doesn’t matter who the owners are they would have also gone with the big clubs. Just like any club would have done in the end

This is the first time in my lifetime and I’m getting on a bit where someone has tried to ruin the English game, not only that they did it with an almost staggering level of arrogance telling fans who have followed these clubs from birth, who’s fathers and grandfathers and great grandfathers followed these teams that they no longer matter, that they are expendable ‘legacy fans’ and there are only 750m of them in Europe where as there are 5 billion new fans in Asia. They also flat out said their profit meant more than the good of the game. How could anyone who loves this sport accept people with that attitude being in a position of power and influence within the game? No wonder the other 14 clubs want representatives from our club removed from committees overseeing the administration of the game. Who can blame them?

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Would the FSG outers please tell me which Premier League football club model they would prefer Liverpool to adapt....note Premier League football model not a German model

I’d settle for a Mike Ashley type run of the mill sh.it owner over this crowd now tbh. Ashley is a **** but at least he didn’t try to ruin the English game. The footballing world doesn’t revolve around us and Manchester United, yes we have great history’s but there are at least 100 other pro and semi pro clubs in this country who all have their own histories, histories that often go back a lot further than ours, Everton are an old club but look at Notts County, Notts County we’re formed 26 years before not Everton but flipping St Domingo’s the Methodist church side that spawned Everton and ultimately us. Look at Fulham, they were formed the same year as Everton, they go back further than us. Look at the role the likes of Blackburn Rovers and the now extinct Blackburn Olympic played in wrestling the game away from the upper class university and army captain types, half starved wraiths working in factories all day then beating their well fed super fit social betters and claiming the game for the working classes. Look at the Preston’s and the Wolves’s and the Villa’s who’s chairman came up with the concept of a league in the first place.
All those clubs, all that history, our glorious owners wanted to dump the fvcking lot of it in the dustbin just to pad out their already bulging bank accounts.

Ashley wouldn't look back if Newcastle were offered the ESL. Neither would Parish, etc. Bottom line is they weren't invited but would jump at the chance to make 100s of millions more for their clubs. Football clubs have their own interests at stake. When Leeds looked like they were going out of business nobody helped them out instead clubs picked off their best players on the cheap. When H&G were bleeding the club dry no one gave a hoot. Even Carragher and Gerrard kept quite. Only Rafa stood up for the club and the fans. Fans always get jibbed. Whatever they might be saying now for PR and in order to get more power for their clubs these execs of the other 14 will be drinking wine and laughing about this with the execs of the 6 in their fancy boardrooms in a few months.

What happened with Leeds and even with H&G is run of the mill football stuff, this super league thing was an attempt to ruin English football and I think you are wrong about every owner jumping at this, there are clearly people within the game like Jurgen, our players, Pep, Marcus Rashford etc who would have greatly profited personally from a super league but didn’t want any part of it because they don’t believe in the disaster capitalism model where you leave a trail of destruction behind you as you stuff your own pockets with gold. If this whole sorry episode proved anything it is that there are decent people involved in the game, even Chelsea fans, I thought those ****’s were as plastic as fv.ck but the numbers they turned up in the other night was beyond impressive, the sight of Petr Cech trying to implore them to let the Chelsea team coach into Stamford Bridge will go down as one of the enduring images of this sorry saga.

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https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... ithdrawals

Real Madrid president Florentino Perez insists the European Super League is not "dead" despite the competition collapsing just 48 hours after it was announced.

On Sunday, 12 clubs - the Premier League's 'Big Six', plus Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Inter Milan and AC Milan - confirmed they were planning to start the new midweek European competition.

However, the plans began to crumble on Tuesday, when Chelsea and Manchester City withdrew following a furious backlash from supporters, the Premier League and UEFA.


Real Madrid president Florentino Perez says he has never seen such aggression during his time in football, and insists clubs still remain interested in the potential of a European Super League.
Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Tottenham then pulled out on Tuesday night, leaving Juventus chairman Andrea Agnelli to admit on Wednesday morning that the Super League could no longer go ahead.

Inter Milan, AC Milan and Atletico also withdrew on Wednesday, but Perez - who was due to be the chairman of the league - remains bullish, telling Spanish radio show El Larguero: "If anyone thinks the Super League is dead, are they wrong? Absolutely.

"We're going to keep working and what everyone thinks is for the best will emerge.



"The project is on standby. The Super League still exists."

The Athletic's Caoimhe O'Neill says football lovers should not be too concerned about Real Madrid president Florentino Perez's claim that plans for a Super League will be revived
Sky Sports News reported on Tuesday morning that the Super League could collapse amid uncertainty among some of the six Premier League members over whether to continue with the plans.

That was confirmed when Chelsea and City became the first clubs to withdraw later that day. Perez admits one English club was not "convinced" and that their doubts became "contagious".

"I'm a bit sad and disappointed because we've been working on this project for three years," he said. "There was someone in the group of six English teams who wasn't that interested and I think that started to become contagious among the others.

"There are people of a certain age involved and maybe they were scared because they didn't understand anything that was going on. We all signed a binding contract, but I don't think that one of them was ever convinced.

"In the end, there was an onslaught from the leagues and the Premier League got fired up, so they said, 'we'll leave it for now'."

A joint statement from the English, Spanish and Italian FAs and leagues, plus UEFA, on Sunday threatened the 12 Super League clubs with expulsion from their domestic competitions and suggested their players could be banned from representing their countries.

Supporters also reacted with outrage, with Chelsea's decision to backtrack coming amid protests outside Stamford Bridge ahead of their game against Brighton on Tuesday night.


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Hundreds of Chelsea supporters protested against the Super League outside Stamford Bridge on Tuesday
Perez told El Larguero that "40 Chelsea fans" were protesting, adding, "I can tell you who got them there if you want." However, he produced no evidence to substantiate his claims, and images from Stamford Bridge showed hundreds of supporters gathered to protest.

Perez believes the failure to establish the Super League will prevent the largest clubs from being able to afford the game's biggest stars, saying: "As for signings like [Erling] Haaland or [Kylian] Mbappe, they won't exist without the Super League.

"During the pandemic, they won't exist for Real Madrid or for any club."

However, Perez - who ushered in the 'Galacticos' era at Real during his first spell as president by signing the likes of Zinedine Zidane and David Beckham - then insisted Mbappe could still arrive at the Bernabeu.

"Does it mean we won't sign Mbappe? No, I didn't say that," he said. "We're now in the final stage of this season and want to finish it as strongly as possible.

"We don't know. If Mbappe doesn't join this year, nobody is going to shoot themselves.

"People know what I'm like and what I do. If something doesn't happen, it's because it's not possible.

"As for big signings in the future without a Super League, they certainly won't happen."


There was a frantic race to be first to quit the European Super League (ESL) on Tuesday.

Manchester City were the first club to have serious doubts, quickly followed by Chelsea. There was a feeling that there was a small reputational benefit to be gained from being first to quit.

Chelsea were the first club to let it be known that they were leaving just before 7pm. At the same time, Man City were telling the ESL they were withdrawing and that was confirmed at 7.20pm. By then, the whole project was doomed.

The other clubs knew it was all over when Chelsea and City quit and during a series of phone calls it was agreed that Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester United and Tottenham would announce they were leaving at 11pm.

There is a lot of anger and recrimination inside the breakaway clubs and the majority of it is directed at the small group of owners and chief executives who tried to push this through. There are a lot of unhappy managers and a lot of unhappy players.

I've been told that it will be very difficult for some of the people who were behind this to go into meetings with the other 14 Premier League clubs because the trust has gone. Apologies and statements aren't going to be enough.

[Lallana in Pyjamas]

Would the FSG outers please tell me which Premier League football club model they would prefer Liverpool to adapt....note Premier League football model not a German model

I’d settle for a Mike Ashley type run of the mill sh.it owner over this crowd now tbh. Ashley is a **** but at least he didn’t try to ruin the English game. The footballing world doesn’t revolve around us and Manchester United, yes we have great history’s but there are at least 100 other pro and semi pro clubs in this country who all have their own histories, histories that often go back a lot further than ours, Everton are an old club but look at Notts County, Notts County we’re formed 26 years before not Everton but flipping St Domingo’s the Methodist church side that spawned Everton and ultimately us. Look at Fulham, they were formed the same year as Everton, they go back further than us. Look at the role the likes of Blackburn Rovers and the now extinct Blackburn Olympic played in wrestling the game away from the upper class university and army captain types, half starved wraiths working in factories all day then beating their well fed super fit social betters and claiming the game for the working classes. Look at the Preston’s and the Wolves’s and the Villa’s who’s chairman came up with the concept of a league in the first place.
All those clubs, all that history, our glorious owners wanted to dump the fvcking lot of it in the dustbin just to pad out their already bulging bank accounts.

Ashley would have jumped at the chance to earn an extra £360mil a year


Our owners didn’t want to dump all that history as they would still be playing the domestic leagues

[Lallana in Pyjamas]

How many people realise that this is the 4th attempt at European Super League


Out previous owners connected to the club - Moores also were involved previously in attempting to set up a European Super League to combat UEFA


It doesn’t matter who the owners are they would have also gone with the big clubs. Just like any club would have done in the end

This is the first time in my lifetime and I’m getting on a bit where someone has tried to ruin the English game, not only that they did it with an almost staggering level of arrogance telling fans who have followed these clubs from birth, who’s fathers and grandfathers and great grandfathers followed these teams that they no longer matter, that they are expendable ‘legacy fans’ and there are only 750m of them in Europe where as there are 5 billion new fans in Asia. They also flat out said their profit meant more than the good of the game. How could anyone who loves this sport accept people with that attitude being in a position of power and influence within the game? No wonder the other 14 clubs want representatives from our club removed from committees overseeing the administration of the game. Who can blame them?

So when they tried in in 1998 I guess you ignored it ?

Back then it was just the two clubs - us and Man Utd , and it was down to try and get changes within UEFA - which happened with the removal of the Cup Winners Cup and the changes to the CL

[Lallana in Pyjamas]

How many people realise that this is the 4th attempt at European Super League


Out previous owners connected to the club - Moores also were involved previously in attempting to set up a European Super League to combat UEFA


It doesn’t matter who the owners are they would have also gone with the big clubs. Just like any club would have done in the end

Dont remember anyone ever trying to pull this off before. I can remember plenty talking about it but no one ever tried this.

This isnt about ancient ownership, it's about the current one. Trying to drag previous owners into it holds absolutely no weight in what they have done now.

There is a big difference between being led by the hand and organising it. FSG were up to their necks in it and didnt give a shyte about what they were doing which was destroying football as we know it. Trying to create their own closed shop. It was a bad act altogether and a self serving decision by FSG.

UEFA had their instances of corruption and it no doubt still exists but they are made out to be the bad guys when all they do is try to keep these greedy fooks happy. They do more for the game than that cabal ever would. They support thousands of clubs through various Grant's and programs in smaller countries. They provide coaching courses and funding to them so while they might have a few people in it looking after themselves it's still a system for all.  That's a massive difference to 12 clubs with known charlatans trying to control it all.

They bully the other clubs in the league, the tried to bully the english system with project big picture while in the meantime bullying UEFA. Our owners are involved in the lot of it by choice motivated by greed.

FSG dont care about the fans and this is a mess of their own making so it's up to them to wash their own hands of it. No proper Fan of this club should be doing it for them.

Unless your a part of the PR machine ?   

1998 they tried it - Italian media company that time I believe it was - the super league was to replace the European Comps - no different than what they tried here ,, the clubs ultimately pulled out when UEFA agreed to changes

[red till i die!!]

How many people realise that this is the 4th attempt at European Super League


Out previous owners connected to the club - Moores also were involved previously in attempting to set up a European Super League to combat UEFA


It doesn’t matter who the owners are they would have also gone with the big clubs. Just like any club would have done in the end

Dont remember anyone ever trying to pull this off before. I can remember plenty talking about it but no one ever tried this.

This isnt about ancient ownership, it's about the current one. Trying to drag previous owners into it holds absolutely no weight in what they have done now.

There is a big difference between being led by the hand and organising it. FSG were up to their necks in it and didnt give a shyte about what they were doing which was destroying football as we know it. Trying to create their own closed shop. It was a bad act altogether and a self serving decision by FSG.

UEFA had their instances of corruption and it no doubt still exists but they are made out to be the bad guys when all they do is try to keep these greedy fooks happy. They do more for the game than that cabal ever would. They support thousands of clubs through various Grant's and programs in smaller countries. They provide coaching courses and funding to them so while they might have a few people in it looking after themselves it's still a system for all.  That's a massive difference to 12 clubs with known charlatans trying to control it all.

They bully the other clubs in the league, the tried to bully the english system with project big picture while in the meantime bullying UEFA. Our owners are involved in the lot of it by choice motivated by greed.

FSG dont care about the fans and this is a mess of their own making so it's up to them to wash their own hands of it. No proper Fan of this club should be doing it for them.

Unless your a part of the PR machine ?   

1998 they tried it - Italian media company that time I believe it was - the super league was to replace the European Comps - no different than what they tried here ,, the clubs ultimately pulled out when UEFA agreed to changes

They might have tried back then but what unfolded now is a lot worse than words.
If you cant see or recognise the difference between what happened previously to what actually happened now, then it's because you choose not to.

Actions speak much louder than words mate.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

How many people realise that this is the 4th attempt at European Super League


Out previous owners connected to the club - Moores also were involved previously in attempting to set up a European Super League to combat UEFA


It doesn’t matter who the owners are they would have also gone with the big clubs. Just like any club would have done in the end

This is the first time in my lifetime and I’m getting on a bit where someone has tried to ruin the English game, not only that they did it with an almost staggering level of arrogance telling fans who have followed these clubs from birth, who’s fathers and grandfathers and great grandfathers followed these teams that they no longer matter, that they are expendable ‘legacy fans’ and there are only 750m of them in Europe where as there are 5 billion new fans in Asia. They also flat out said their profit meant more than the good of the game. How could anyone who loves this sport accept people with that attitude being in a position of power and influence within the game? No wonder the other 14 clubs want representatives from our club removed from committees overseeing the administration of the game. Who can blame them?

So when they tried in in 1998 I guess you ignored it ?

Back then it was just the two clubs - us and Man Utd , and it was down to try and get changes within UEFA - which happened with the removal of the Cup Winners Cup and the changes to the CL

Yes as did the rest of the footballing world because there was no real threat to the integrity of the English game, there was no reaction in 1998 even remotely and I mean remotely comparable to what has happened over the past 72 hours or so.
You’re just making a show of yourself now trying to compare the 2, you were probably about 5 at the time, remember fv.ck all about it but read it somewhere and assumed the reaction was the same. What happened on Sunday Benny wasn’t a proposal or anything it was a fait acompli, everything was signed sealed and delivered.

[Lallana in Pyjamas]

At that time I was serving with the military in Kosovo actually and the proposal wasn’t much different - it was closed shop of European competition designed at that time to replace the UEFA competitions - some teams would be founding members and play in each year with others invited to join - there would be no qualifying from leagues - does it sound similar? Are that naive to not see that this has been bubbling around for years - the big clubs wanting a big share of the pie because they bring in the bigger audiences

Are that clueless about modern football to not see that every single owner past future and present would have jumped in with it - our previous owners were part of it in the past , if it wasn’t FSG then it would be whoever owned


Welcome to modern business of football - it’s disgusting but that’s the sport and it’s not going to change , you can either be on the train or be left behind

All then outrage for the likes of Sky , UEFA , FIFA was for one reason only - the thought that their money train was going to out the door - all this faux outrage from them as if they were worried about the integrity of the game - complete ***** - where were they when they wanted ro start charging fans PPV games ? What about when they were given the World Cup to Qatar

The whole sport is full of corruption , from clubs to agents to governing bodies


They all did this for a reason to show UEFA and what a surprise UEFA are already looking at their proposed changes

Have you even bothered to look at that and see how that’s a step towards keeping the CL for the big boys - I bet you haven’t.

Football is a mess and it’s been a mess for 30 years , and it’s going to get messier - people sit there demanding the owners spend this and that but when the owners look at ways to bring in money they scream their heads. Only look at social media now - the likes of

Being in Mbappe or Haaland and all with forgiven
Give the manager £150mil and we will let them off

Modern football - modern fans

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Would the FSG outers please tell me which Premier League football club model they would prefer Liverpool to adapt....note Premier League football model not a German model

I’d settle for a Mike Ashley type run of the mill sh.it owner over this crowd now tbh. Ashley is a **** but at least he didn’t try to ruin the English game. The footballing world doesn’t revolve around us and Manchester United, yes we have great history’s but there are at least 100 other pro and semi pro clubs in this country who all have their own histories, histories that often go back a lot further than ours, Everton are an old club but look at Notts County, Notts County we’re formed 26 years before not Everton but flipping St Domingo’s the Methodist church side that spawned Everton and ultimately us. Look at Fulham, they were formed the same year as Everton, they go back further than us. Look at the role the likes of Blackburn Rovers and the now extinct Blackburn Olympic played in wrestling the game away from the upper class university and army captain types, half starved wraiths working in factories all day then beating their well fed super fit social betters and claiming the game for the working classes. Look at the Preston’s and the Wolves’s and the Villa’s who’s chairman came up with the concept of a league in the first place.
All those clubs, all that history, our glorious owners wanted to dump the fvcking lot of it in the dustbin just to pad out their already bulging bank accounts.

Ashley would have jumped at the chance to earn an extra £360mil a year


Our owners didn’t want to dump all that history as they would still be playing the domestic leagues

Why didn’t Ashley attempt to start a super league then if he was so desperate? He’s a multi billionaire I’m sure he could have got involved somehow.. The breakaway clubs proposal would have turned the English top flight into a joke, a team could win the prem yet wouldn’t automatically qualify for the ESL (invite only) while one of the top 6 could have literally gone down yet still qualified for it. That’s our owners idea of a sport.
They even said on Monday afternoon in that our profits mean more than the good of the game and legacy fans can go and get fv.cked statement that they’d be resting top players for prem games to keep them fresh for midweek ESL games. It wasn’t just the fact that they tried to ruin English football when they thought it was in the bag and there was fv.ck all anyone could do about it they tried to rub peoples noses in the dirt as well, they were actually gloating.
What we think means fv.ck all anyway, their position is untenable in English football, no one will deal with them because no one can believe a word they say, as long as John Henry is involved in English football the other 14 clubs (in fact make that 16, City and Chelsea won’t make the same mistake again) will be looking over their shoulders. They’ll be ostracised by the other clubs and tbh you can’t blame them, as members of a thriving premier league those clubs were doing well, Henry tried to crash the prem and with it their income streams just to make himself a few quid. The likes of Southampton, Burnley, Villa et al won’t forget that in a hurry.

[Lallana in Pyjamas]

Why the hell do you think Ashley didn’t look to set it up - are you really that out of touch ?


Of course people will still deal with them - stop being so naive - at the end of the day all the morals in world goes out of the window when pound signs are put in front of peoples eyes 


It will be old news within weeks

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

No it won’t. As I said all the while FSG are in English football the other clubs won’t be able to relax, they’ve tried 2 coups in the last 12 months already and they are shamelessly hanging on now when anyone with any dignity would have resigned Tuesday night because they see this club as their golden ticket to the “new” Asian market.
Its not just the other 16 clubs they have pi$$ed off it’s Sky, Sky were openly using phrases like it’s a battle for the soul of football about getting our owners out, let me repeat that Sky were openly talking about needing to get rid of our owners for the good of the game, for the good of Sky’s wallet more like but with this proposed super league move FSG instantly made enemies of Sky and ergo Murdoch as well. And BT btw and all the rest. There’s huge money at stake here and our owners have made themselves a lot of powerful enemies within the game. I’m telling you now they won’t be welcomed back, people may shake their hand but they won’t trust them an inch. With the type of money on the line no way will this be forgotten, you’re fvc.king kidding yourself. John Henry tried to pretty much stitch up the whole of English football, he tried to take away the goose that lays the golden egg.