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[Liverpool 4 EVA]

The amazing thing about Holland is the quality of players they produce for such a small country, population wise, compared to England or Spain or Germany.

Given the talent at their disposal, both Holland and Spain are underachievers.

This must be England's best chance because I don't remember England having a better group of quality players than now. The only thing is the coach is really indecisive and doesn't seem to know much about tactics, substitutions and man motiviating. Just imagine what a sophisticated coach like Rafa or Mourinho or Hiddink can achieve with this present English lot.

Absolutely agree 100%

I also think Holland produce THE most talented footballers in the world for the population they have....it's quite astonishing....

Imagine if Holland had the population of Brasil   

[primodua]

The amazing thing about Holland is the quality of players they produce for such a small country, population wise, compared to England or Spain or Germany.

Given the talent at their disposal, both Holland and Spain are underachievers.

This must be England's best chance because I don't remember England having a better group of quality players than now. The only thing is the coach is really indecisive and doesn't seem to know much about tactics, substitutions and man motiviating. Just imagine what a sophisticated coach like Rafa or Mourinho or Hiddink can achieve with this present English lot.

Absolutely agree 100%

I also think Holland produce THE most talented footballers in the world for the population they have....it's quite astonishing....

Imagine if Holland had the population of Brasil   

Brasil is the only country that can produce fresh line-ups every year. It is amazing how the people take the game very very seriously. Though I am a big fan of the oranje, I certainly admire brasil qualities. What's the avg age group of the current oranje squad? Best guess 27~28. What's the avg for Brasil? I think it's around 24~25.

[Redrider]

Luis Garcia, is what we used to know of as a 'Luxury Player' !!
All top class teams used to have one until the competition became so intense that it bacame more important to measure a players overall contribution by workrate and other statistical evidence such as pass completion ratio's etc.
At which point it is worthwhile pointing out that some fan's may become tempted to stay home as a result of high admission prices, the certainty of results and the general mediocrity of the standard of play, particulary when one team has purchased all the available talent and force fitted 22 of the best players in the world into a rigid structure that ensures that all games are won mostley by one goal.

Where would football be without the excitement of unpredictability ?

Where would Liverpool Football Club be without an unlikely triumph like Istanbul ?

Would the Red's have made it to Istanbul without the 'luxury' of Luis Garcia ?

[JC_81]

Luis Garcia, is what we used to know of as a 'Luxury Player' !!
All top class teams used to have one until the competition became so intense that it bacame more important to measure a players overall contribution by workrate and other statistical evidence such as pass completion ratio's etc.
At which point it is worthwhile pointing out that some fan's may become tempted to stay home as a result of high admission prices, the certainty of results and the general mediocrity of the standard of play, particulary when one team has purchased all the available talent and force fitted 22 of the best players in the world into a rigid structure that ensures that all games are won mostley by one goal.

Where would football be without the excitement of unpredictability ?

Where would Liverpool Football Club be without an unlikely triumph like Istanbul ?

Would the Red's have made it to Istanbul without the 'luxury' of Luis Garcia ?

Excellent post mate.

The game is much better off with players like Garcia, football is much better off when teams allow players like Garcia to express themselves rather than smother them with tactics and Liverpool are a better side when the little Spaniard is playing than when he's not.

[Judge]

No. Of Member Posts

Judge 61
Ola Mr Benitez 16
Leonmc0708 9
darwisigila 9
metalhead 9
andy_g 8
woof woof ! 7

etc etc etc...

its obvious that judge has this issue very close to his heart, the need to say on a regular basis 'garcia gave the ball away again', or 'garcia should be sold' is like a strong primal urge that tortures his very sole. he feels it is of the utmost importance to have his legendary garcia bashing thread at the top of the forum at all times, even at the expense of the equally magnificent and contemporary kewell bashing thread. the worthy contribution to footballing debate created by comments such as

bottom line is he's most of the time

and

creativity is useless if he loses the ball, we need root one stuff at the moment 

and the haiku-esque

after match, argued with kewell

cannot and should not be underestimated. and what better way to keep this riveting thread at the top of the forum list than regular utterances of

or he may be playing for us 

or suchlike?

there's no doubting judge's dedication to his thread, as if it were his only child cast adrift in a wasteland of dangers and temptations. thought provoking comment of the highest order - chomsky would be proud.









       

excellent stuff andy 

[Ciggy]

David Villa will replace Luis tomorrow for Spain, as Luis has a slight injury, dont know what it is but he will be on the bench, Rafa doesnt want him risked according to Marca.

[Erica]

Lovely match it would be. Hehe. The last encounter was in a friendly in Birmingham 3-0, but a friendly is a friendly. The previous one was in 1996, in your European Championship, we defo played better, but you threw better the penalties.

Sabre

My father has always told me that it was Marcelino (Real Zaragoza player) and not Franco the one scoring the winning goal. I guess in the Basque country, they told you that is was Franco.

[Erica]

Spain also won a European Championship in the 60's I think?

Pah. It was at home, against Russia, with a ref that was a friend, and with Franco presiding the match, that doesn't count.

Sabre

Sorry this is the quatation I was looking for

[andy_g]

Spain also won a European Championship in the 60's I think?

Pah. It was at home, against Russia, with a ref that was a friend, and with Franco presiding the match, that doesn't count.

Sabre

Sorry this is the quatation I was looking for

erica, franco was the dictator of spain for a long time and not, as far as i know, a footballer. presiding means 'watching over', 'officialy attending' sort of thing.

[Sabre]

My father has always told me that it was Marcelino (Real Zaragoza player) and not Franco the one scoring the winning goal.  I guess in the Basque country, they told you that is was Franco.

I was told both things, researched a bit about it and checked the facts and I'm no worse Spaniard and I don't love less my country  just because I make some autocriticism. It's good to listen with respect to one's father, mine told me the same as yours, but it's better to make your own opinion !
It's also a good idea not making assumptions like Basque=Anti Spanish, for that matter.

Andy G, I got perfectly Erica's point. It's a common response here in Spain, meaning that one that is sit down presiding a game can't actually score the goals. That is to say that Franco had nothing to do, in her opinion.


Marcelino's goal will always be remembered, but believe me that a Russian victory in that Euro was not possible, Russia, was the political antagonist of Franco; Football had indeed darker times in the past, when it comes to fair play, refs, and absence of corruption. IMVHO. TBH, it's quite a while since I don't read about it, I'll come back again and if I find some interesting links I'll send them to you.

Cheers!

Sabre

[andy_g]

Andy G, I got perfectly Erica's point. It's a common response here in Spain, meaning that one that is sit down presiding a game can't actually score the goals. That is to say that Franco had nothing to do, in her opinion.

apologies - i just woke up. makes perfect sense now 

it was an interesting image going through my mind though...

[Erica]

Spain also won a European Championship in the 60's I think?

Pah. It was at home, against Russia, with a ref that was a friend, and with Franco presiding the match, that doesn't count.

Sabre

Sorry this is the quatation I was looking for

erica, franco was the dictator of spain for a long time and not, as far as i know, a footballer. presiding means 'watching over', 'officialy attending' sort of thing.

I know perfectly what 'presiding' means. It fact it is a word that comes from the latin word praesidēre. I think my knowledge of Latin is much better than yours, my mother tongue comes from there.
Of course, the person that I addressed my comment to understood perfectly.

[Sabre]

it was an interesting image going through my mind though...

Which one, Franco scoring goals? , a 1'60m man have not much future as a footballer, let alone his weight

Cheers mate!

Sabre

[Erica]

My father has always told me that it was Marcelino (Real Zaragoza player) and not Franco the one scoring the winning goal.  I guess in the Basque country, they told you that is was Franco.

I was told both things, researched a bit about it and checked the facts and I'm no worse Spaniard and I don't love less my country  just because I make some autocriticism. It's good to listen with respect to one's father, mine told me the same as yours, but it's better to make your own opinion !
It's also a good idea not making assumptions like Basque=Anti Spanish, for that matter.

Andy G, I got perfectly Erica's point. It's a common response here in Spain, meaning that one that is sit down presiding a game can't actually score the goals. That is to say that Franco had nothing to do, in her opinion.


Marcelino's goal will always be remembered, but believe me that a Russian victory in that Euro was not possible, Russia, was the political antagonist of Franco; Football had indeed darker times in the past, when it comes to fair play, refs, and absence of corruption. IMVHO. TBH, it's quite a while since I don't read about it, I'll come back again and if I find some interesting links I'll send them to you.

Cheers!

Sabre

Claro amigo Sabre, y ahora todo es perfectamente legal y limpio con Villar y la cuadrilla de corruptos. A mi equipo el Zaragoza le han pitado en las últimas 5 semanas cinco penalties en contra y llevamos más de un año sin un penalti a favor. Claro, pero ahora todo es muy limpio. Saludos y suerte para la Real, que es un equipo que me cae muy bien desde siempre.

[Sabre]

Claro amigo Sabre, y ahora todo es perfectamente legal y limpio con Villar y la cuadrilla de corruptos. A mi equipo el Zaragoza le han pitado en las últimas 5 semanas cinco penalties en contra y llevamos más de un año sin un penalti a favor. Claro, pero ahora todo es muy limpio. Saludos y suerte para la Real, que es un equipo que me cae muy bien desde siempre.

In the forums I use to visit is quite offensive to speak in another language, since you don't say anything offensive... I'll bottomline the mates that you're complaining about nowadays presidency of the Spanish football, and as a proof of that, she reminds that Zaragoza, her team hasn't been granted with a penalty in a whole year and had 5 penalties against in the last weeks.

Zaragoza is a team I also appreciate Erica, but you know what's like Spanish football, the same thing that is penalty in the Bernabeu, it's not in the Romareda. Then we go out to international games with our squad and our players complain about bad refferees, it's just that the Madrid and Bar$a players are used to being favoured and it just doesn't happen that in the WC