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[GYBS]

Surely a thread Hi jack is when someone comes into a thread and starts talking about stuff that has no relevance to the thread itself - seeing as this is a lucas thread and im talking about lucas its not a thread hi jack now is it ? so when your trying to be funny or clever at least make sure its right first , thats a good boy now .

[Sir Roger]

Gifts penalties ??! he conceeded one so lets go not go overboard and he gave away one crucial free kick as well .

He wont have the passing ability of Alonso nor the Determination of Masher nor the drive of Gerrard cause if he did he would be starting ahead of them not be a back up to them .

Hes not very good at tackling, passing or shooting.
He gives the ball away cheaply
He is not very creative or fast
He doesnt take players on or stamp his authority on a game

OK
That leaves just these other facts
Any comments?

[GYBS]

He isnt as good as the people above him ie xabi etc but as a back up he is good enough - he is at the stage fletcher was for man utd a couple of years ago - ridiculed by his own fans labelled sh.ite and not good enough etc etc and now look at him as he has matured and through playing experience playing with better players has improved his game .

He can tackle he can pass and he can shoot , he will never be the fastest but then is xabi etc ? have seen him create plenty times and do cms need to take people on ? do we see xabi ghosting past people ? Stamping his authority on the game will come through experience .

[Sir Roger]

He isnt as good as the people above him ie xabi etc but as a back up he is good enough - he is at the stage fletcher was for man utd a couple of years ago - ridiculed by his own fans labelled sh.ite and not good enough etc etc and now look at him as he has matured and through playing experience playing with better players has improved his game .

He can tackle he can pass and he can shoot , he will never be the fastest but then is xabi etc ? have seen him create plenty times and do cms need to take people on ? do we see xabi ghosting past people ? Stamping his authority on the game will come through experience .

"He can tackle he can pass and he can shoot"

He has the potential to be another Zidane with all those qualities doesnt he?
How many years of him performing the way he does before he becomes the player you believe he will be?
In your expert opinion?

[GYBS]

Where did i say potential to be another zidane ?!

Well him performing the way he has done has helped us to our best season in the prem for how many years - 20 odd games he has played while improving in his second season - how many years did it take players like fletcher to prove their worth ? plus other players coming in from abroad ? i would definatly see how he goes next season .

[kazza]

He isnt as good as the people above him ie xabi etc but as a back up he is good enough - he is at the stage fletcher was for man utd a couple of years ago - ridiculed by his own fans labelled sh.ite and not good enough etc etc and now look at him as he has matured and through playing experience playing with better players has improved his game .

He can tackle he can pass and he can shoot , he will never be the fastest but then is xabi etc ? have seen him create plenty times and do cms need to take people on ? do we see xabi ghosting past people ? Stamping his authority on the game will come through experience .

I agree with this. Why are fans so quick to say a player is sh1t when the manager (who knows alot more) likes and believes in him. He is not a world beater but no way near as bad as some say. Some fans have booed him which is shocking when all he ever did is try his best.

He is young and his confidence will improve (probably a tall order when he is booed by his own fans). I hope he stays as when I watch him play he seems to be maturing.

[bunglemark2]

He isnt as good as the people above him ie xabi etc but as a back up he is good enough - he is at the stage fletcher was for man utd a couple of years ago - ridiculed by his own fans labelled sh.ite and not good enough etc etc and now look at him as he has matured and through playing experience playing with better players has improved his game .

He can tackle he can pass and he can shoot , he will never be the fastest but then is xabi etc ? have seen him create plenty times and do cms need to take people on ? do we see xabi ghosting past people ? Stamping his authority on the game will come through experience .

I agree with this. Why are fans so quick to say a player is sh1t when the manager (who knows alot more) likes and believes in him. He is not a world beater but no way near as bad as some say. Some fans have booed him which is shocking when all he ever did is try his best.

He is young and his confidence will improve (probably a tall order when he is booed by his own fans). I hope he stays as when I watch him play he seems to be maturing.

I think you have a point there mate...I remember the home game vs Fulham when Lucas had an absolute mare of a game. I groaned inwardly every time he got the ball, but not outwardly. Some behind me booed him every time he touched the ball....made me want to phuckin' deck him....whatever you feel, you don't boo your team (unless they're 'Boro, or West Brom    )

[GYBS]

He isnt as good as the people above him ie xabi etc but as a back up he is good enough - he is at the stage fletcher was for man utd a couple of years ago - ridiculed by his own fans labelled sh.ite and not good enough etc etc and now look at him as he has matured and through playing experience playing with better players has improved his game .

He can tackle he can pass and he can shoot , he will never be the fastest but then is xabi etc ? have seen him create plenty times and do cms need to take people on ? do we see xabi ghosting past people ? Stamping his authority on the game will come through experience .

I agree with this. Why are fans so quick to say a player is sh1t when the manager (who knows alot more) likes and believes in him. He is not a world beater but no way near as bad as some say. Some fans have booed him which is shocking when all he ever did is try his best.

He is young and his confidence will improve (probably a tall order when he is booed by his own fans). I hope he stays as when I watch him play he seems to be maturing.

I think you have a point there mate...I remember the home game vs Fulham when Lucas had an absolute mare of a game. I groaned inwardly every time he got the ball, but not outwardly. Some behind me booed him every time he touched the ball....made me want to phuckin' deck him....whatever you feel, you don't boo your team (unless they're 'Boro, or West Brom    )

I bet the same people who booed him then cheered him when he scored the other week . Your spot on our players should never ever be booed . it does nothing but be a negative effect on the player himself so sometimes the fans need to look at themselves(the ones that boo) and think why is he loosing his touch etc - its because your booing a young lad trying his best for the club idiots.

[kazza]

He isnt as good as the people above him ie xabi etc but as a back up he is good enough - he is at the stage fletcher was for man utd a couple of years ago - ridiculed by his own fans labelled sh.ite and not good enough etc etc and now look at him as he has matured and through playing experience playing with better players has improved his game .

He can tackle he can pass and he can shoot , he will never be the fastest but then is xabi etc ? have seen him create plenty times and do cms need to take people on ? do we see xabi ghosting past people ? Stamping his authority on the game will come through experience .

I agree with this. Why are fans so quick to say a player is sh1t when the manager (who knows alot more) likes and believes in him. He is not a world beater but no way near as bad as some say. Some fans have booed him which is shocking when all he ever did is try his best.

He is young and his confidence will improve (probably a tall order when he is booed by his own fans). I hope he stays as when I watch him play he seems to be maturing.

I think you have a point there mate...I remember the home game vs Fulham when Lucas had an absolute mare of a game. I groaned inwardly every time he got the ball, but not outwardly. Some behind me booed him every time he touched the ball....made me want to phuckin' deck him....whatever you feel, you don't boo your team (unless they're 'Boro, or West Brom    )

or Utd 

Booing of players is not the Liverpool way, we are the twelfth man

[Festy]

He isnt as good as the people above him ie xabi etc but as a back up he is good enough - he is at the stage fletcher was for man utd a couple of years ago - ridiculed by his own fans labelled sh.ite and not good enough etc etc and now look at him as he has matured and through playing experience playing with better players has improved his game .

He can tackle he can pass and he can shoot , he will never be the fastest but then is xabi etc ? have seen him create plenty times and do cms need to take people on ? do we see xabi ghosting past people ? Stamping his authority on the game will come through experience.

I agree with this. Why are fans so quick to say a player is sh1t when the manager (who knows alot more) likes and believes in him. He is not a world beater but no way near as bad as some say. Some fans have booed him which is shocking when all he ever did is try his best.

He is young and his confidence will improve (probably a tall order when he is booed by his own fans). I hope he stays as when I watch him play he seems to be maturing.

Because the same manager (who knows alot more) has liked and believed so many players before that have failed big time at LFC. Surely he knows alot more but he ain't super human.

...and every player tries, who doesn't try ? Even if you put Reina as GK, he'll try his best, but that doesn't mean we should  give players chance after chance in a belief that they'll come good. (Not in the first 11 anyway). Title challengers can't afford to take such risks.

[Sir Roger]

Where did i say potential to be another zidane ?!

Well him performing the way he has done has helped us to our best season in the prem for how many years - 20 odd games he has played while improving in his second season - how many years did it take players like fletcher to prove their worth ? plus other players coming in from abroad ? i would definatly see how he goes next season .

Dont you think he has the potential to be another Zidane?
Rafa thinks highly of him

I really wish you would stop comparing him to Fletcher. It doesnt strengthen your argument because Fletcher is average at best and at worst. I really would be miffed if we bought that gobshi'te

[GYBS]

No i dont think he has the potential to be another Zidane and Rafa hasnt come out and stated as such - I compare him to fletcher because lucas is where fletcher was a couple of years ago - labelled sh.ite by his own fans and not good enough yet look at him this season - one of their most improved and important players of the season .

[Sir Roger]

No i dont think he has the potential to be another Zidane and Rafa hasnt come out and stated as such - I compare him to fletcher because lucas is where fletcher was a couple of years ago - labelled sh.ite by his own fans and not good enough yet look at him this season - one of their most improved and important players of the season .

I will repeat:
Fletcher is average at best and shi't at worst.
You are not making your case stronger by using him as an example
Some of us want good and great players not fuc'king average players who take years to blossom into mediocrity.

Lucas has done very little to show his class, if he has any.
How long will it take do you think? 6 months, another year, two years, five, ten?

[GYBS]

And i will repeat Fletcher is someone who has improved massively to a point where he is picked ahead of players like scholes and anderson for a team that is currently prob about to win the prem and is in the final of the CL and has been our of their players of the season - not bad for someone who you think is average at best ?! maybe just maybe he is a bit better than average and has proved to be a very good player for them through learning and experience playing at the high level - something that could easily could happen to lucas if he keeps improving and learning as a back up just like what fletcher did.

[Sir Roger]

And i will repeat Fletcher is someone who has improved massively to a point where he is picked ahead of players like scholes and anderson for a team that is currently prob about to win the prem and is in the final of the CL and has been our of their players of the season - not bad for someone who you think is average at best ?! maybe just maybe he is a bit better than average and has proved to be a very good player for them through learning and experience playing at the high level - something that could easily could happen to lucas if he keeps improving and learning as a back up just like what fletcher did.

Scholes and Anderson?

You obviously have lower standards than me

Could you answer the question of how long before Lucas becomes a good player?