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[maguskwt]

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Bill Shankly was appointed Liverpool manager in 1959...

Slowly at first, and then with a gathering pace, Shankly and his backroom team turned Liverpool around, and with new signings Ron Yeats, Ian St. John and Gordon Milne, promotion was gained back to the First Division in 1961–1962.[4] Liverpool finished 8th in their first season back in the top flight. The addition of Peter Thompson in 1963 further strengthened the team, and in 1963–1964[4] Liverpool clinched their 6th league title, ahead of Manchester United.


Can anyone see the similarity? 2011 and the team is in termoil. Hodgson at the helm, relegation a reality. Then Kenny takes over. Is Kenny our modern day Shankly?
I think he just might be. Why? cos he 'gets' us. He is emotionally involved with LFC. He won't see us far wrong but it will not happen over night. Just like back in 1959, it'll take time to start to build.

sorry mate but you must open up your eyes and stop saying "the team is in termoil. Hodgson at the helm" the truth was we were left a team by Rafa and Roy just added a bit more to it.

Rafa is not blame free when you talk about the state of the club.

"don't get me started on Rafa"

[jacdaniel]

I actually think Rafa left quite a strong team.  (probably stronger than what we have now)  Roy did us no favours by sending Aquilani on loan and signing players like Poulsen and Konchesky just weakened the team.  Torres and Mascherano leaving were not Rafa or Roy's fault, that was because of Hicks and Gillette. 

Its all irrelevant now anyways.  We need to look forwards and not backwards. 

Most importantly, our fans need to realise that we aren't a top European team anymore.  It drives me mad seeing fans laughing off the Carling Cup and Europa League Qualification.  We need to prove we're a big team again by winning the Carling Cup, qualifying for EL and trying to earn the right to play in the CL by finishing the top 4.  (either this year or next)

[Benny The Noon]

I disagree, I think Maurice is a hiighly intelligent man who knows exactly how to win which is what Liverpool now need. There is no point throwing good money after bad, so lets get the right man in and get started.

Whether his character fits the bill of a Liverpool FC manager is debatable and it's obvious that opinion on him is split. But he is a proven winner.

I think he is a bit of a kunt but part of that persona I think is him deflecting attention away from his players. One thing is for sure though, he has a proven track record of getting the best out of players.

i think you are spot on mate, most of it is an act.
the truth is that he has a lot of time for Liverpool as a club, the only person he never got on with was Rafa. I know they had a drinks a few times after games but that soon stopped.

he has said before that Liverpool would be one club he would come back to England for as he loves the history of the club and if a big Shankly fan.

he has said before that he trys to be cool just like Shankly was but to also have the passion for the game he had.
the inteview was given to the bbc in 2010 and was posted on here...in some thread.

how would us fans take to him as our manager, well i dont like the guy but he is a great manager. but if we did not win games fast if he took over from Kenny fans would turn on him faster than they did with Roy.

He has also said he would love to follow in the footsteps of Ferguson.

He says a lot of utter and he wouldnt touch us unless he had an unlimited budget .

He has been disrespectful to our club and the fans, he turned us down once because we werent big enough for him .

He started hating Rafa the minute we started beating Chelsea.

He shouldnt be anywhere near our club .

[PabloMedina28]

Play 3 at the back against Stoke at home and have the prolific Kuyt upfront, put 3 more defenders on the bench and never bring on Shelvey a player who could actually change the game and is dynamic. Bring on Kuyt when the going gets tough and we need inspiring. Keep playing Adam, keep playing Gerrard who has the positional sense defensivley of a lump of clay in cm.

[PabloMedina28]

I disagree, I think Maurice is a hiighly intelligent man who knows exactly how to win which is what Liverpool now need. There is no point throwing good money after bad, so lets get the right man in and get started.

Whether his character fits the bill of a Liverpool FC manager is debatable and it's obvious that opinion on him is split. But he is a proven winner.

I think he is a bit of a kunt but part of that persona I think is him deflecting attention away from his players. One thing is for sure though, he has a proven track record of getting the best out of players.

i think you are spot on mate, most of it is an act.
the truth is that he has a lot of time for Liverpool as a club, the only person he never got on with was Rafa. I know they had a drinks a few times after games but that soon stopped.

he has said before that Liverpool would be one club he would come back to England for as he loves the history of the club and if a big Shankly fan.

he has said before that he trys to be cool just like Shankly was but to also have the passion for the game he had.
the inteview was given to the bbc in 2010 and was posted on here...in some thread.

how would us fans take to him as our manager, well i dont like the guy but he is a great manager. but if we did not win games fast if he took over from Kenny fans would turn on him faster than they did with Roy.

He has also said he would love to follow in the footsteps of Ferguson.

He says a lot of utter and he wouldnt touch us unless he had an unlimited budget .

He has been disrespectful to our club and the fans, he turned us down once because we werent big enough for him .

He started hating Rafa the minute we started beating Chelsea.

He shouldnt be anywhere near our club .

Mourinho he woudlnt know what to do if he had a challenge. "I cant buy glory...............im out"

[parchpea]

Mourhino will takes over from Ferguson Im convinced of that.

As for us I think Dalglish is holding the fort until NESV get their ducks in a row and sort out the staidum issue. A 2 year contract that I doubt will be extended.

He was the right appointment in that they can ride out this difficult early stage without much heat on them or the manager. They possibly expected a rough patch early doors but publicly aimed higher to keep hope alive. Had they made another appointment, with these results and signings, its fair to say these boards would have been bombarded and faith in them damaged. Surely no one could argue that.

They have been clever in some ways, perhaps naive in others, but I expect that in 2 years max we will have a new and younger manager, a stadium being built, and a different outlook for the football club.

[Benny The Noon]

Mourhino will takes over from Ferguson Im convinced of that.

As for us I think Dalglish is holding the fort until NESV get their ducks in a row and sort out the staidum issue. A 2 year contract that I doubt will be extended.

He was the right appointment in that they can ride out this difficult early stage without much heat on them or the manager. They possibly expected a rough patch early doors but publicly aimed higher to keep hope alive. Had they made another appointment, with these results and signings, its fair to say these boards would have been bombarded and faith in them damaged. Surely no one could argue that.

They have been clever in some ways, perhaps naive in others, but I expect that in 2 years max we will have a new and younger manager, a stadium being built, and a different outlook for the football club.

I thought it was a 3 year contract he got ? That is what he says in his book as well.

[parchpea]

I stand corrected then, 3 years max    He should know like 

[RedAnt]

It was 2 and a half years on top of the 6 months he'd already started I think.

[stmichael]

Most importantly, our fans need to realise that we aren't a top European team anymore.  It drives me mad seeing fans laughing off the Carling Cup and Europa League Qualification.  We need to prove we're a big team again by winning the Carling Cup, qualifying for EL and trying to earn the right to play in the CL by finishing the top 4.  (either this year or next)

Exactly, but unfortunately in this day and age fans want success instantly instead of looking at the bigger picture. I actually feel alienated from a lot of our fanbase these days. There's a load of whoppers who want actually want Kenny out after a year. These are probably the same idiots who booed our side under Rafa after going top of the league.

I dread to think what it's going to be like on here if we lose the two cup games this week.

[7_Kewell]

Most importantly, our fans need to realise that we aren't a top European team anymore.  It drives me mad seeing fans laughing off the Carling Cup and Europa League Qualification.  We need to prove we're a big team again by winning the Carling Cup, qualifying for EL and trying to earn the right to play in the CL by finishing the top 4.  (either this year or next)

Exactly, but unfortunately in this day and age fans want success instantly instead of looking at the bigger picture. I actually feel alienated from a lot of our fanbase these days. There's a load of whoppers who want actually want Kenny out after a year. These are probably the same idiots who booed our side under Rafa after going top of the league.

I dread to think what it's going to be like on here if we lose the two cup games this week.

i don't think it would be so bad if it wasn't for the fact that Kenny has wasted almost 100 million

Never had a LFC manager spent so much money on players who are so poor.

[Benny The Noon]

So your back to the wasted 100 million line again - thought we already confirmed that we have improved since Kenny arrived ( so the money hasn't been wasted has it )

Suarez - 22 mil - wasted ? - a success

Enrique - 8 mil - wasted ? - a success

Henderson 16 mil - wasted ? - the lad is only 20 with his whole career ahead of him yet written off already !! Mistakes should be learnt from Lucas , some people need to realise that some players need time to flourish.

Coates - 6mil - wasted ? He is a young lad just starting his career and apparently money spent on him was wasted ?

Downing - 18 mil - wasted ? He has had 6 months before being written off ?  6 months ??

Adam 6-8 mil - wasted ? He is a player to add squad depth , did well until Lucas got injured but written off after 6 months !!

Carroll - 35 mil - possibly the closest transfer that could be a mistake and not right for the club

So your 100 mil wasted comments aren't "fact" or "truth" as you keep implying.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what happens when a new manager doesn't get 4th in his first season ? Do you ask for him to be sacked ?

[7_Kewell]

So your back to the wasted 100 million line again - thought we already confirmed that we have improved since Kenny arrived ( so the money hasn't been wasted has it )

Suarez - 22 mil - wasted ? - a success

Enrique - 8 mil - wasted ? - a success

Henderson 16 mil - wasted ? - the lad is only 20 with his whole career ahead of him yet written off already !! Mistakes should be learnt from Lucas , some people need to realise that some players need time to flourish.

Coates - 6mil - wasted ? He is a young lad just starting his career and apparently money spent on him was wasted ?

Downing - 18 mil - wasted ? He has had 6 months before being written off ?  6 months ??

Adam 6-8 mil - wasted ? He is a player to add squad depth , did well until Lucas got injured but written off after 6 months !!

Carroll - 35 mil - possibly the closest transfer that could be a mistake and not right for the club

So your 100 mil wasted comments aren't "fact" or "truth" as you keep implying.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what happens when a new manager doesn't get 4th in his first season ? Do you ask for him to be sacked ?

Henderson's deal totals 20 million...plus 35 million for Carroll, 8 for Adam and 20 million for Downing = 80 million, which is the best part of 100 million...none of these players have added much to our squad, or improved on what we sold in the summer...which i've said to you before Benny many times.

But as you said Benny...who on EARTH would expect a top 4 finish this season?  CLICK

[Benny The Noon]

So your back to the wasted 100 million line again - thought we already confirmed that we have improved since Kenny arrived ( so the money hasn't been wasted has it )

Suarez - 22 mil - wasted ? - a success

Enrique - 8 mil - wasted ? - a success

Henderson 16 mil - wasted ? - the lad is only 20 with his whole career ahead of him yet written off already !! Mistakes should be learnt from Lucas , some people need to realise that some players need time to flourish.

Coates - 6mil - wasted ? He is a young lad just starting his career and apparently money spent on him was wasted ?

Downing - 18 mil - wasted ? He has had 6 months before being written off ?  6 months ??

Adam 6-8 mil - wasted ? He is a player to add squad depth , did well until Lucas got injured but written off after 6 months !!

Carroll - 35 mil - possibly the closest transfer that could be a mistake and not right for the club

So your 100 mil wasted comments aren't "fact" or "truth" as you keep implying.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what happens when a new manager doesn't get 4th in his first season ? Do you ask for him to be sacked ?

Henderson's deal totals 20 million...plus 35 million for Carroll, 8 for Adam and 20 million for Downing = 80 million, which is the best part of 100 million...none of these players have added much to our squad, or improved on what we sold in the summer...which i've said to you before Benny many times.

But as you said Benny...who on EARTH would expect a top 4 finish this season?  CLICK

We bought Carroll in the winter not the summer so that reduces your total to 55 mil.

Aim for top 4 is different to expect top 4 .

Can you please answer what would happen to a new manager if he didnt get top4 in his first season !  Will you demand he goes ? Please dont keep avoiding the question.

[7_Kewell]

We bought Carroll in the winter not the summer so that reduces your total to 55 mil.

Aim for top 4 is different to expect top 4 .

Can you please answer what would happen to a new manager if he didnt get top4 in his first season !  Will you demand he goes ? Please dont keep avoiding the question.

Reduced my total?   

I said Kenny has wasted the best part of 100 million and I stand by that...you can pretend he didn't buy Carroll if you want but it changes nothing.

And re-read the article Benny...Henry said anything other than a top 4 is a major disapointment. That flys against your arguments that NOONE should be aiming for a top 4 finish this season, doesn't it? 

And to repeat myself AGAIN benny (because i've said this many times and even started a thread with it in the title) Kenny must deliver a top 4 finish this summer, or we need to get someone else who can. I've been saying it since July.. and i'm saying it now. 

I've answered your questions many times lady..but you either refuse to accept the answers or have a very short memory.