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[damjan193]

As pessimistic as I feel if you look at the remaining fixtures objectively the situation looks almost achievable.

Liverpool
Fulham (h)
West Ham (h)
Burnley (a)
Chelsea (h)
Hull (a)

Estimate - 4 wins, 1 loss - 12 points

Tottenham
Arsenal (h)
Chelsea (h)
Man Utd (a)
Bolton (h)
Man City (a)
Burnley (a)

Estimate - 2 wins, 3 loss, 1 draw - 7 points

Man City
Birmingham (h)
Man Utd (h)
Arsenal (a)
Aston Villa (h)
Tottenham (h)
West Ham (a)

Estimate - 3 wins, 2 loss, 1 draw - 9 points

Our run in is by far the easiest on paper. More home games and only one team in the top 7 to play. Essentially we need Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea to all beat Man City or Tottenham on their respective games (as seen in the above estimates). If the above were to happen the league would look like this come mid May

4 Man City 68
5 Liverpool 67
6 Tottenham 65

For us to stand any chance we have to also beat Chelsea.

We should all understand now that if we dont win all of our games we wont qualify, thats a fact.Even if we win them all, we still may not qualify.And about City, I think that they'll win 11 points in their last matches, with 3 wins, 2 draws, and 1 loss, and if we win all of our matches we'll have level points, so we have to make sure that we try to score a bit more and  concede as little as we can.

[Owzat]

SSS - it's very hard to look at anything objectively, while spudz may have not beaten sides like the mancs and Arsenal very often, they have played well this season while we have not. We can only hope they slip up but it is beyond our control. I mean you've claimed to be "objective" yet the only two wins you have given spudz is I assume Burnley away and Bolton at home, yet they could easily win another game or two.

But under the circumstances it is time to clutch at straws, yet some still back the manager to the bitter end and think he is the right man for the job. Did we really mount a serious title challenge or did we flatter to deceive with some fortunate results early season that meant we finished three points ahead of Chelsea instead of just behind them in our usual 3rd-5th spot? Now we're struggling to beat the also-rans, I said to a villa fan that while some consider MON has done a good job, I'd say that is about as far as he will probably take them - still there or thereabouts for top 6-8 and a decent cup side. Has he unearthed any gems that people didn't know about before? Is he likely to?

[damjan193]

Well, I always have been a person that doesnt give up until the end, but its pointless now, the battle for 4th place is over and we have lost.

[Owzat]

Looks that way, citeh need just six points to be on the most points we can manage and then we'd be looking at making it on GD. It's kinda ironic it should be a 0-0 home draw given it's our away form that has hampered us. But when the manager opts to leave out two of the three scorers from Thursday and spouts rubbish about the other who is then unavailable because it is rubbish and his usage is questionable then you're fecked

[maguskwt]

We have lost it barring a miraculous collapse by City which is not gonna happen. I've always thought City was the main threat than Spurs. They just have too many good players. The departure of Robinho actually paved the way for them for more consistency. Spurs like us are too unpredictable and inconsistent. It is disappointing what's happening to the premiership really. How owners with billions of wealth can buy success. Soon all the clubs will be owned by arrabs backed by theor oil money. And once these owners get tired with their play things they will just cast them away. So... Can someone call warren buffet and inquire if he has any interest in owning a certain red English 'soccer club' with lots of tradition and history?

[SouthCoastShankly]

So the situation now is City have to lose 4 out of the remaining 5 games. And we have to collect maximum points for our last 4 games.

National Lottery anyone?

[Sabre]

Well, I always have been a person that doesnt give up until the end, but its pointless now, the battle for 4th place is over and we have lost.

Same here.

While in Portugal I could watch part of the Birmingham game and the full Benfica game.

I didn't like whatsoever what I saw against Brum. I didn't like how Torres was subbed, what his face of disbelief was as in telling Gerrard  "I haven't asked to be subbed", and I didn't like it precisely because it meant that Rafa seemed to be thinking more in the UEFA game, than the 4th spot.

Winning the UEFA cup might be good for the club in the short term, but being able to be 4th is more important for the club's inmediate future. It seemed to me that Rafa was thinking more in the inmediate success than the future of the club, and I didn't like it.

The Manager sent the message that the war for 4th is over, and it seems the players accepted the message.

Gutted, dissapointed, and my patience is finally over. 

[LiverpoolMadman]

As pessimistic as I feel if you look at the remaining fixtures objectively the situation looks almost achievable.

Liverpool
Fulham (h)
West Ham (h)
Burnley (a)
Chelsea (h)
Hull (a)

Estimate - 4 wins, 1 loss - 12 points

Tottenham
Arsenal (h)
Chelsea (h)
Man Utd (a)
Bolton (h)
Man City (a)
Burnley (a)

Estimate - 2 wins, 3 loss, 1 draw - 7 points

Man City
Birmingham (h)
Man Utd (h)
Arsenal (a)
Aston Villa (h)
Tottenham (h)
West Ham (a)

Estimate - 3 wins, 2 loss, 1 draw - 9 points

Our run in is by far the easiest on paper. More home games and only one team in the top 7 to play. Essentially we need Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea to all beat Man City or Tottenham on their respective games (as seen in the above estimates). If the above were to happen the league would look like this come mid May

4 Man City 68
5 Liverpool 67
6 Tottenham 65

For us to stand any chance we have to also beat Chelsea.

We should all understand now that if we dont win all of our games we wont qualify, thats a fact.Even if we win them all, we still may not qualify.And about City, I think that they'll win 11 points in their last matches, with 3 wins, 2 draws, and 1 loss, and if we win all of our matches we'll have level points, so we have to make sure that we try to score a bit more and  concede as little as we can.

Unless this happen ;

Liverpool
Fulham (h) 1point
West Ham (h) 3points
Burnley (a)3points
Chelsea (h)3points
Hull (a)3points

Estimate - 4 wins, 1 draw - 13 points

Tottenham
Arsenal (h) 0point
Chelsea (h)0point
Man Utd (a)0point
Bolton (h)3points
Man City (a)1point
Burnley (a)3points

Estimate - 2 wins, 3 loss, 1 draw - 7 points

Man City
Birmingham (h)3points
Man Utd (h)0point
Arsenal (a)0point
Aston Villa (h)0point
Tottenham (h)1point
West Ham (a)0point

Estimate - 1 wins, 3 loss, 1 draw - 3 points

[MASTER]

Is this the right thread to discuss the future, now we are all clear the fight is over for CL football?

[SouthCoastShankly]

To put things into perspective, City need 7 points to stop us finishing fourth.

[Ben Patrick]

We have lost it barring a miraculous collapse by City which is not gonna happen. I've always thought City was the main threat than Spurs. They just have too many good players. The departure of Robinho actually paved the way for them for more consistency. Spurs like us are too unpredictable and inconsistent. It is disappointing what's happening to the premiership really. How owners with billions of wealth can buy success. Soon all the clubs will be owned by arrabs backed by theor oil money. And once these owners get tired with their play things they will just cast them away. So... Can someone call warren buffet and inquire if he has any interest in owning a certain red English 'soccer club' with lots of tradition and history?

City may be where they are because of money they have spent, but lets be realistic here.
They have hardly ran away with it. We are not in the top 4 this season because we have been a disgrace.
In any normal season we would have still finished comfortably above City and the other teams going for fourth.
So lets not try and pretend its because of arabs and money spent by others why we are not where we should be in the table.

[maguskwt]

We have lost it barring a miraculous collapse by City which is not gonna happen. I've always thought City was the main threat than Spurs. They just have too many good players. The departure of Robinho actually paved the way for them for more consistency. Spurs like us are too unpredictable and inconsistent. It is disappointing what's happening to the premiership really. How owners with billions of wealth can buy success. Soon all the clubs will be owned by arrabs backed by theor oil money. And once these owners get tired with their play things they will just cast them away. So... Can someone call warren buffet and inquire if he has any interest in owning a certain red English 'soccer club' with lots of tradition and history?

City may be where they are because of money they have spent, but lets be realistic here.
They have hardly ran away with it. We are not in the top 4 this season because we have been a disgrace.
In any normal season we would have still finished comfortably above City and the other teams going for fourth.
So lets not try and pretend its because of arabs and money spent by others why we are not where we should be in the table.

"In any normal season..." you mean in a fantasy season where we don't have any injuries whatsoever and could play the likes of Torres, Gerrard, Benayoun, Riera, Agger, Johnson in every single game? 

We are where we are because our squad is not deep enough to cope with injuries, lost of form to key players, etc. etc.

[Ben Patrick]

We have lost it barring a miraculous collapse by City which is not gonna happen. I've always thought City was the main threat than Spurs. They just have too many good players. The departure of Robinho actually paved the way for them for more consistency. Spurs like us are too unpredictable and inconsistent. It is disappointing what's happening to the premiership really. How owners with billions of wealth can buy success. Soon all the clubs will be owned by arrabs backed by theor oil money. And once these owners get tired with their play things they will just cast them away. So... Can someone call warren buffet and inquire if he has any interest in owning a certain red English 'soccer club' with lots of tradition and history?

City may be where they are because of money they have spent, but lets be realistic here.
They have hardly ran away with it. We are not in the top 4 this season because we have been a disgrace.
In any normal season we would have still finished comfortably above City and the other teams going for fourth.
So lets not try and pretend its because of arabs and money spent by others why we are not where we should be in the table.

"In any normal season..." you mean in a fantasy season where we don't have any injuries whatsoever and could play the likes of Torres, Gerrard, Benayoun, Riera, Agger, Johnson in every single game? 

We are where we are because our squad is not deep enough to cope with injuries, lost of form to key players, etc. etc.

Make as many excuses as you like.

United have had far worse injuries than us.

Our squad is p!ss poor i agree, but the manager you still back has created this squad.

[Scottbot]

We have lost it barring a miraculous collapse by City which is not gonna happen. I've always thought City was the main threat than Spurs. They just have too many good players. The departure of Robinho actually paved the way for them for more consistency. Spurs like us are too unpredictable and inconsistent. It is disappointing what's happening to the premiership really. How owners with billions of wealth can buy success. Soon all the clubs will be owned by arrabs backed by theor oil money. And once these owners get tired with their play things they will just cast them away. So... Can someone call warren buffet and inquire if he has any interest in owning a certain red English 'soccer club' with lots of tradition and history?

City may be where they are because of money they have spent, but lets be realistic here.
They have hardly ran away with it. We are not in the top 4 this season because we have been a disgrace.
In any normal season we would have still finished comfortably above City and the other teams going for fourth.
So lets not try and pretend its because of arabs and money spent by others why we are not where we should be in the table.

"In any normal season..." you mean in a fantasy season where we don't have any injuries whatsoever and could play the likes of Torres, Gerrard, Benayoun, Riera, Agger, Johnson in every single game? 

We are where we are because our squad is not deep enough to cope with injuries, lost of form to key players, etc. etc.

Dude, our injuries have been no worse than the mancs, Arsenal and to a lesser extent, Chelsea. That's the truth of it. Owzat's stats re: the number of losses Gerrard and Torres have played in (I can't remember the numbers) said it all.

[Scottbot]

It's only just sinking in that we're not gonna be in the Champions League next season. I almost can't believe it. I thought that we would at least take it down to the final game or two of the season but we've actually blown it already