Liverpool FC Forum

[laza]

SO if we win it then its a ****** competition is it...........nice

Im guessing you were expecting a Porto v Monaco final last year as well

No thats different.  The point Im making is that if we win the Champions League but cant even make the top 4 of our domestic league that will put the cl in bad light.  Porto may not be glamourous but they won consecutive portugese titles, the portugese cup and the uefa cup when the won the champions league.
Im not saying its ****** if we win or ne ****** like that im saying that if we cant get in the qualification spots but still win it then... well it just would take some of the shine off it for me.

Well the problem with that Starbridge is that you look at the quality and quantity of teams in the EPL compared to Portugalese league and i think you find a bit of difference.
If Liverpool were playing in Portugal league i expect they would make the CL every time

[Ciggy]

SO if we win it then its a ****** competition is it...........nice

Im guessing you were expecting a Porto v Monaco final last year as well

No thats different.  The point Im making is that if we win the Champions League but cant even make the top 4 of our domestic league that will put the cl in bad light.  Porto may not be glamourous but they won consecutive portugese titles, the portugese cup and the uefa cup when the won the champions league.
Im not saying its ****** if we win or ne ****** like that im saying that if we cant get in the qualification spots but still win it then... well it just would take some of the shine off it for me.

Well the problem with that Starbridge is that you look at the quality and quantity of teams in the EPL compared to Portugalese league and i think you find a bit of difference.
If Liverpool were playing in Portugal league i expect they would make the CL every time

Add the SPL to that aswell
Thats one sh#t league

[A.B.]

and the Turkish League.

[azriahmad]

Everton have a great team spirit which is usually applied (this season) with urgency, a lot of heart, passion, pride and sheer determination, resulting in very consistent results.

They have some limitations ion terms of pure ability but they are so together and apply whatever they do collectively all of the time, they only fall apart when facing the trully top teams.

We on the other hand, lose concentration at vital moments and have players who have the tendency to self-destruct, throwing away the collective hard work of the others. We are woefully inconsistent. It will not be a surprise if we fail to get 4th spot because with a healthy lead in points, Everton is in the driving seat.

[begintoend]

Very good assessment there from banana. Azri put in the point why Everton has surprised everyone this season. It is fact and I mean lets face it.

Its not impossible to get the 4th place but it will be a struggle. 8 points with 1 game in hand is no mean feat for the REDS judging from the current inconsistency. What did most of us say before the start of the season?

1) Not struggle to get fourth.
2) Difference between leaders to be less than 30 points.

We might not achieve it.

With 11 games left, Everton still going as strong, I am only hoping for a miracle to happen. To get the 4th place.
Yes, it'll take a miracle to transform the current team, even if its the last 10 games, to put in the drive and consistency needed to snatch it away from the toffees.

I am not sitting there like some hoping that Everton will falter. The REDS just gotta do it if it means their everything.

[Paul C]

Everton will lose to Aresenal and Man U so it's upto us to take the other 3 points off them, it's still possible but we can't afford to slip up like usual

[Judge]

Fact is. Everton are looking really strong at the moment. They play as a TEAM and they play with BELIEF. The way they beat Villa was impressive.

8 points as a lot. It is going to be hard. Even if Everton are going to play Man U and Arsenal in March I can easily see them upsetting those teams. For me this means that we have to pull off an incredible run from now on until the last game. 11 games and I don't think we can afford more than one or two defeats if we are going to finish fourth.

8-2-1 = 26 points
8-1-2 = 25 points           Enough to secure CL         
7-3-1 = 24 points
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7-2-2 = 23 points
7-1-3 = 22 points           May be enough
7-0-4 = 21 points
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6-2-3 = 20 points
6-1-4 = 19 points           Probably not enough
5-3-3 = 18 points
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Worse = definately not enough

That is we need 7 or more wins out of our remaining games:

Have to win at least 15 points here
LIVERPOOL - Blackburn
LIVERPOOL - Everton
LIVERPOOL - Bolton
Crystal Palace - LIVERPOOL
LIVERPOOL - Aston Villa


difficult games, have to get more than 6 points
Manchester City - LIVERPOOL
LIVERPOOL - Tottenham
Portsmouth - LIVERPOOL
LIVERPOOL - Middlesbrough


Very difficult games, 1-3 points needed
Newcastle - LIVERPOOL
Arsenal - LIVERPOOL

ffs, banana, why dont you try to be a little more optimistic with the team you are supposed to support



fuc'king irritating

[A.B.]

Banana is calculating as if he can predict the outcome of the Premier League. Wheres that crystal ball

[Judge]

Banana is calculating as if he can predict the outcome of the Premier League. Wheres that crystal ball

he aint got one AB.

being a banana, he'll have no intellectual capacity

i wonder about his loyalty to LFC

[Iceman69]

getting 4th spot has to be a top priority.

if we don't get it, and theres a good chance we may not, then this season would be WORSE ACHIEVEMENT than last season.
I mean whats the point of us having a stronger team next year, new summer signings, Alonso Back, Cisse BAck, Morientes eligable for the CL, but we arent even in the champions league?? watching the toffee noses try their luck.

No way should we underestimate the importance of this season, and we have to win most of the remaining games and show some form.

people who say this is a transistional period are brain dead.

NO WAY CAN WE MISS OUT...and it should not be tolerated.

step forward..stu the red! and A.B.

[crazyhorse]

Sorry mate but you are delusional.
Ther club is by definition in transition - we have a new manager and several new players, we do not have a settled squad - several players are due to leave and others arrive.
Until we begin a season with a squad which is settled and ready, and above all one that Raffa has built to his satisfaction we are in transition.
I still believe we will finish 4th - Everton are not good enough and will have a bad run before the end of the season. Within three years we will be OK, and ready to challenge for the top three places it cannot happen overnight as you seem to be demanding - that in itself is naivity in extreme.
Finishing fifth is not good and it is worse than last year - the club is going to change massively over the next few years, we have a new manager and will have anew owner and a new stadium before too many more years have past. It is time to be patient and get behind the team and bide our time.

Everton if they do get into the CL will go no further than the group stage when they will be knocked out of the Uefa cup by some ****** like Dynamo Tiblisi!. They are not a serious challenge and Moyes does not have the finance to keep up this form.

And the Cl is not the be all and end all, It is great to be a part of it but ask most fans what they want first - and they will say winning the Premier league and then winning the CL as champions would be so much sweeter.

[Iceman69]

Sorry mate but you are delusional.
Ther club is by definition in transition - we have a new manager and several new players, we do not have a settled squad - several players are due to leave and others arrive.
Until we begin a season with a squad which is settled and ready, and above all one that Raffa has built to his satisfaction we are in transition.
I still believe we will finish 4th - Everton are not good enough and will have a bad run before the end of the season. Within three years we will be OK, and ready to challenge for the top three places it cannot happen overnight as you seem to be demanding - that in itself is naivity in extreme.
Finishing fifth is not good and it is worse than last year - the club is going to change massively over the next few years, we have a new manager and will have anew owner and a new stadium before too many more years have past. It is time to be patient and get behind the team and bide our time.

Everton if they do get into the CL will go no further than the group stage when they will be knocked out of the Uefa cup by some ****** like Dynamo Tiblisi!. They are not a serious challenge and Moyes does not have the finance to keep up this form.

And the Cl is not the be all and end all, It is great to be a part of it but ask most fans what they want first - and they will say winning the Premier league and then winning the CL as champions would be so much sweeter.

And you say I'm delusional???

Please re-read your last post! Im a realist, not a DREAMER!

several players are due to leave? are they? which ones?
Do you know what rafa has in mind?
he favours Biscan for fcuks sake!

You do not know who LFC will sign over the next year or so, the key factor is, Chelsea and Man Utd have the ability to Outbid FC for any player in the world, as they have more appeal right now.

Some of Rafas signings have question marks over them; Pellegrino, Josemi, Garcia.
No one can say they know what will happen.

You are certain Everton will have a bad run by the end of the season> ?? how do you know that? crystal ball???
Everton are not good enough??? I think they are, they have picked up a lot of three points all seson and beat us!


CL not the be all and end all? ???
Listen that was a silly statement and you ought to find out what LFC is all about before writing such TOSH!
I think it is mate. I think you are the one who is having delusions.

we are 10 years off being close to winning the Premiership.

Thats not a delusion, but a fact!

You seem so sure about what will happen in the future!
how do you know?

[crazyhorse]

Son you are no realist. In fact you about as ignorant about football as it gets.

Several Players WILL leave - Pelle, Gerrard, Bican, Smicer, Dudek and others are more than possible. Maybe not all or even any of the above names - the fact and it is fact is that players will be moving on.

Chelsea and Man Utd may have more money, that does not mean anything. What about Alonso? and at the time Chelsea were not rich they managed to attract players such as Vialli, Deissally(spelling), Dechamps and many others. It is not just the money - it is the skill and passion that the manager can bring to bear to persuade players that we are for them - do not forget that Rafa persuaded Gerrard to stay with us in the summer when he had announced he was going.

He does not favour Biscan - did you see him getting many games when Alonso was fit? no is the answer.

You are not a realist - you are an idiot! Of course i do not know who will be signed by the club - but do you honestly think that we will spend nothing in the summer? that there will be no turnover in the squad. I am not a dreamer either - i love the club and am always optimistic.

It is not beyond the interlect of anyone who knows anything at all about football to predict that Evershite will have a bad run. They have a small squad of mediocre players. If they sustain 4th position it will be one of the greatest feats in PL history. LFC have a better squad and a better taste for winning - we have been there before and will go there again.

And why is it idiotic to say the CL is not the be all and end all. Give me the championship first any day - CL only becomes a priority when we are masters of our own domestic league.

We may be 10 years from winning the title - but we are not 10 years from being able to build a squad capable of winning it - that is the difference. We could win it in three seasons time. It is that close.

[barnesrush]

Son you are no realist. In fact you about as ignorant about football as it gets.

Several Players WILL leave - Pelle, Gerrard, Bican, Smicer, Dudek and others are more than possible. Maybe not all or even any of the above names - the fact and it is fact is that players will be moving on.

Chelsea and Man Utd may have more money, that does not mean anything. What about Alonso? and at the time Chelsea were not rich they managed to attract players such as Vialli, Deissally(spelling), Dechamps and many others. It is not just the money - it is the skill and passion that the manager can bring to bear to persuade players that we are for them - do not forget that Rafa persuaded Gerrard to stay with us in the summer when he had announced he was going.

He does not favour Biscan - did you see him getting many games when Alonso was fit? no is the answer.

You are not a realist - you are an idiot! Of course i do not know who will be signed by the club - but do you honestly think that we will spend nothing in the summer? that there will be no turnover in the squad. I am not a dreamer either - i love the club and am always optimistic.

It is not beyond the interlect of anyone who knows anything at all about football to predict that Evershite will have a bad run. They have a small squad of mediocre players. If they sustain 4th position it will be one of the greatest feats in PL history. LFC have a better squad and a better taste for winning - we have been there before and will go there again.

And why is it idiotic to say the CL is not the be all and end all. Give me the championship first any day - CL only becomes a priority when we are masters of our own domestic league.

We may be 10 years from winning the title - but we are not 10 years from being able to build a squad capable of winning it - that is the difference. We could win it in three seasons time. It is that close.

what a great word to spell wrong  (was gonna write misspell but couldnt figure out spelling!)

fully agree with post tho

[Iceman69]

""Chelsea and Man Utd hvae money, that means nothing" you say??

Have you been asleep for the past 2 years mate? ? ??

Didier Drogba....27 Million, Arjen Robben- Millions more! Claudae makalele, Damien Duff, Ferreira, Kezman, Lampard,
and ...Mouriniho.

and about 200 million of Abramovich's money.

Man Utd.

Rooney 20 million, Van Horseface 17 million. Veron 24 million, etc etc

I think money makes u a championship wining team.

you just made yourself look very silly just then....you said.."several players WILL leave....Pelle, Biscan, Gerrard,smicer dudek, msybe even all or not any of the above names"

What a silly contradicting comment that was. you just contradicted yourself and made you look silly! read it again you twerp.

U nugget!