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[Thommo's perm]

while kerry's veiled barbs at andy carroll are missing the point, there is a grain of truth in the argument. generally speaking we haven't been getting enough people forward enough to play off suarez when he's around the box doing something amazing. its not just about this 'proper number 9' its about a general style of play. in the derby gerrard took it by the scruff of the neck and pretty much mopped up from the chaos that suarez causes in the opposition defence.

Of course she has a point. Were not Fu*king stupid.
Yes he could do better. He is raw. He makes mistakes and sometimes doesnt do what he should. But does this make him sh'ite? There are plenty in the team who frustrate and fu'ck up constantly. Why is Carroll any different? Because of his price tag. Simple as that.
If people cant see ANY signs of improvement then they havent got a clue about football. Give the lad a chance and lets see if he can develop into the player we want him to be. There are signs, but he is a work in progress. If he doesnt improve enough, fu'ck him off. Simple
As far as Gerrard is concerned, I have seen him many, many times take the game by the scruff of the neck, with GREAT players around him. Why is it suddenly Carrolls fault that he did it in the derby?

[D___C]

while kerry's veiled barbs at andy carroll are missing the point, there is a grain of truth in the argument. generally speaking we haven't been getting enough people forward enough to play off suarez when he's around the box doing something amazing. its not just about this 'proper number 9' its about a general style of play. in the derby gerrard took it by the scruff of the neck and pretty much mopped up from the chaos that suarez causes in the opposition defence.

you've just reworded what i wrote

All the great work (chaos) created by Luis needs to be finished off (mopped up) by a quality player. On Monday Gerrard had to bomb on from midfield to do this, what we also need is a forward to do so, as Forlan does alongside him for Uruguay.. but we dont have one. Luis provides world class creativity week in week out, but comes off the field unrewarded as theres no one to "mop up", thankfully we had Gerrard there on Monday to do this. Steven doesnt play the other night then Luis walks off the field unrewarded again, without two assists and a major hand in the third.

[Thommo's perm]

while kerry's veiled barbs at andy carroll are missing the point, there is a grain of truth in the argument. generally speaking we haven't been getting enough people forward enough to play off suarez when he's around the box doing something amazing. its not just about this 'proper number 9' its about a general style of play. in the derby gerrard took it by the scruff of the neck and pretty much mopped up from the chaos that suarez causes in the opposition defence.

you've just reworded what i wrote should be able

All the great work (chaos) created by Luis needs to be finished off (mopped up) by a quality player. On Monday Gerrard had to bomb on from midfield to do this, what we also need is a forward to do so, as Forlan does alongside him for Uruguay.. but we dont have one. Luis provides world class creativity week in week out, but comes off the field unrewarded as theres no one to "mop up", thankfully we had Gerrard there on Monday to do this. Steven doesnt play the other night then Luis walks off the field unrewarded again, without two assists and a major hand in the third.

"Gerrard had to bomb on from midfield" How stressful for him. How selfish of Carroll making him have to do that. Maybe Gerrard should be allowed just to bring his favourite armchair onto the pitch and sit in the centre circle with his feet up watching the action? He deserves it after all the times hes pulled us out the sh'it.
Poor Steven. I hope hes ok after all that exertion...

[devaney]

I thought attacking midfield players were supposed to score goals. That's largely been the problem all season.Hopefully this is the start of something.We will see on Sunday against the spoilers.

[Boxscarf]

I thought attacking midfield players were supposed to score goals. That's largely been the problem all season.Hopefully this is the start of something.We will see on Sunday against the spoilers.

The problem has been all of our attackers have been goal shy this season.

Strikers are supposed to (in theory) score a majority of a teams goals and that just hasn't happened this season. You know your team has problems scoring goals when your CB has one goal less than your most expensive striker.

[andy_g]

while kerry's veiled barbs at andy carroll are missing the point, there is a grain of truth in the argument. generally speaking we haven't been getting enough people forward enough to play off suarez when he's around the box doing something amazing. its not just about this 'proper number 9' its about a general style of play. in the derby gerrard took it by the scruff of the neck and pretty much mopped up from the chaos that suarez causes in the opposition defence.

you've just reworded what i wrote

i know i did - more or less. i was trying to frame it in a sensible way without laying the entire blame at carroll's door.

[Boxscarf]

i know i did - more or less. i was trying to frame it in a sensible way without laying the entire blame at carroll's door.

I think the players and coaching staff are all equally to blame for the situation we find ourselves in. Kenny has had Andy in his squad for over a year and still hasn't found out the best way to utilise Andy Carroll. It's madness, pure madness.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

i know i did - more or less. i was trying to frame it in a sensible way without laying the entire blame at carroll's door.

I think the players and coaching staff are all equally to blame for the situation we find ourselves in. Kenny has had Andy in his squad for over a year and still hasn't found out the best way to utilise Andy Carroll. It's madness, pure madness.

at least the tone of the discussions when people are talking about andy carroll are more sensible now, some people have tried to pin the blame on him for every poor result we`ve had this season and our position in the league.
as has been pointed out carroll wasnt even in the starting XI for half of our poor results and of the 4 defeats that he started, in 2 of the games we had players sent off and away at city he led the line in a side that didnt have suarez, gerrard or bellamy in the starting XI so he was up against it there.
even the other game - away at bolton - he was one of only 2 players (him and bellamy) that left the field with any credit.
andy carroll hasnt scored enough goals but the fact we`ve struggled isnt solely down to him as some people try to make out.
if the last couple of months are anything to go by maybe the coaching staff have found a way of getting him to perform quite well.

[Thommo's perm]

i know i did - more or less. i was trying to frame it in a sensible way without laying the entire blame at carroll's door.

I think the players and coaching staff are all equally to blame for the situation we find ourselves in. Kenny has had Andy in his squad for over a year and still hasn't found out the best way to utilise Andy Carroll. It's madness, pure madness.

at least the tone of the discussions when people are talking about andy carroll are more sensible now, some people have tried to pin the blame on him for every poor result we`ve had this season and our position in the league.
as has been pointed out carroll wasnt even in the starting XI for half of our poor results and of the 4 defeats that he started, in 2 of the games we had players sent off and away at city he led the line in a side that didnt have suarez, gerrard or bellamy in the starting XI so he was up against it there.
even the other game - away at bolton - he was one of only 2 players (him and bellamy) that left the field with any credit.
andy carroll hasnt scored enough goals but the fact we`ve struggled isnt solely down to him as some people try to make out.
if the last couple of months are anything to go by maybe the coaching staff have found a way of getting him to perform quite well.

I think its the coaching staff and his own attitude and confidence. He seems to be trying harder and believing in himself more. If it all clicks he will be a monster who will put the sh'its up all defences

[D___C]

that Emile Heskey will be a "monster" one day i'm sure

Kenny aint Jesus (to those of us who believe in the bearded one).. there is no turning water into wine.

Back on topic, if we can bring in a top quality forward (today we've been linked with two from Spain) then we will see the best of Luis, and hopefully the over reliance on Gerrard will finally subside.

[devaney]

Isn't there an Andy Carroll thread for D-C (Kerry) to spread his bile instead of ruining the Suarez thread as well?

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Isn't there an Andy Carroll thread for D-C (Kerry) to spread his bile instead of ruining the Suarez thread as well?

Apparently there is no escape from his scathing critique ,he doesn't rate Molby either who (and I quote )" His workrate was non existent,his movement non existent,and his tackling non existent " I would have offered up a retort ,but its quite clearly penned to provoke a reaction .

[D___C]

Its not scathing critique, its a response to nonsense, and you didnt respond because you know it. To state "big Jan had everything that is essential to a midfielder's game"... "Molby's game had no weaknesses", and "In terms of the best midfielder to ever wear the red of Liverpool for me personally it would have to be the irrepressible Jan Molby".. is waffle. He wasnt even the best midfielder during his time at the club, hence Whelan and McMahon were the central midfield, and was never a regular in the Danish team with Arnesen, Laudrup (M), Bertelsen and Elkjaer. He could ping a pass 50 yards when he bothered to lift a leg, but he offered nothing else hence was not a regular for club and country. First time ive heard a reserve being described as having "no weakneses". Its an insult to Steven Gerrard to mention Molby in the same sentence. Had you said "my personal favourite is... " fair enough.

[mrt]

Preben Elkjaer and Michael Laudrup were forwards.  Don't remember Bertelsen (DM apparently) .  Arnesen played in the middle with Soren Lerby, if memory serves.  The big fella's injury and 'disciplinary' problems were what prevented him from winning more caps for Denmark.  Unless, of course, you rate John Jensen to be better than one of the most talented players I've seen at our club in my 40 years.  Loved Whelan and Mcmahon back in the day.  Jan was better than both.  I'm not going to debate this with you or anyone else.  I have eyes in my head.  I know what I saw.  Should have played more but then, Jari Litmanen was a decent player, too, and he was Lord Lucan by comparison.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Preben Elkjaer and Michael Laudrup were forwards.  Don't remember Bertelsen (DM apparently) .  Arnesen played in the middle with Soren Lerby, if memory serves.  The big fella's injury and 'disciplinary' problems were what prevented him from winning more caps for Denmark.  Unless, of course, you rate John Jensen to be better than one of the most talented players I've seen at our club in my 40 years.  Loved Whelan and Mcmahon back in the day.  Jan was better than both.  I'm not going to debate this with you or anyone else.  I have eyes in my head.  I know what I saw.  Should have played more but then, Jari Litmanen was a decent player, too, and he was Lord Lucan by comparison.

molby was better than mcmahon? no chance