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[Benny The Noon]

how is this cringeworthy thread still going? 

Our club is finally showing signs of promise and here's folk saying it's all a waste of time 

Try telling that to the fukwit aka Benny !!!! It is obvious to a a five year of of below average intelligence that if you throw enough money at a football club you increase the chances of success. That is an undisputable simplistic fact. Everton, however, who survive on a shoe string are still in with a chance (hopefully remote) of finishing in the top four and have been playing a standard of football this season that even the most dedicated red couldn't fail to be impressed with. Moyes has probably cocked things up by not committing to a new contract. There has been a downturn in form which is probably going to destroy what was looking like an impressive season AND IT CERTAINLY WASN'T ACHIEVED BY CHASING CAP IN HAND AFTER A SPEND HAPPY BILLIONAIRE !!

That's my final contribution to this thread. There is little point for further discussion given the pathetic single minded attitude of the likes of Benny who seems happy for us to become just another shi.tty soulless football club. I don't and never will subscribe to prostituting LFC to the likes of Roman Abramovich.

the irony of it all is spending billions doesn't give you instant sucess. Ask Rafa 

What did Rafa win in his first season with us ? Then his next season and continued to move towards the title whilst he was backed in the transfer market - until the money stopped and the success stopped.

[7_Kewell]

It's not just getting into the top 4 you f*cking clown - is that the height of your ambition for the club !

What about winning titles - have you come up with a way to do it yet without spending a lot of money ?

You fail to see the difference in having a decent season and making the step up to winning the title - you fail to understand what is needed to make that step up.

You satisfy yourself with not winning - i want better and more for the club. You seem to not want that and would rather just settle for second best ( in fact nowhere near even second ).

The reduction in expectations in this once great club is pathetic - and it's led by pathetic dreamers who haven't got a f*cking clue about how to win titles in modern football

If we want to win the title then we must massively improve our squad - to do that requires a great deal of funding. Funding that our owners will never do from their own pockets.

It's you who fails to understand Benny....we need CL footie to pay for the squad you yearn for so much.

[Benny The Noon]

And you need to pay for the top players to get into the Top 4 to achieve CL. Unless the owners dip into their pockets to buy those players then we won't get there. Next season it's highly likely we won't even be in the Europa Lge.

The owners need to speculate to accumulate - if they want CL so badly well then provide the funds to get the players to get into the CL.

[7_Kewell]

And you need to pay for the top players to get into the Top 4 to achieve CL. Unless the owners dip into their pockets to buy those players then we won't get there. Next season it's highly likely we won't even be in the Europa Lge.

The owners need to speculate to accumulate - if they want CL so badly well then provide the funds to get the players to get into the CL.

they spent 50 million last season....how much more do you want them to fork out?  100 million, 200?

It's not going to happen and few fans oppose that.

[Benny The Noon]

And you need to pay for the top players to get into the Top 4 to achieve CL. Unless the owners dip into their pockets to buy those players then we won't get there. Next season it's highly likely we won't even be in the Europa Lge.

The owners need to speculate to accumulate - if they want CL so badly well then provide the funds to get the players to get into the CL.

they spent 50 million last season....how much more do you want them to fork out?  100 million, 200?

It's not going to happen and few fans oppose that.

£50mil gets you two of the standard of players we need - go and check out how much City spent to get into the CL

Put it this way during the summer we will need at least 2 CB's , a DM , a LB and possibly another striker - to get the required standard you need to spend a decent amount.£30-50mil won't do it - a big spend of £75-100mil could possibly do it

But the owners won't put their hands in their pockets to spend that much

And if you think fans don't have a problem with that then I suggest having a quick read at both Rawk and LFC Reds within threads about the owners - it might open your eyes.

[7_Kewell]

And you need to pay for the top players to get into the Top 4 to achieve CL. Unless the owners dip into their pockets to buy those players then we won't get there. Next season it's highly likely we won't even be in the Europa Lge.

The owners need to speculate to accumulate - if they want CL so badly well then provide the funds to get the players to get into the CL.

they spent 50 million last season....how much more do you want them to fork out?  100 million, 200?

It's not going to happen and few fans oppose that.

£50mil gets you two of the standard of players we need - go and check out how much City spent to get into the CL

Put it this way during the summer we will need at least 2 CB's , a DM , a LB and possibly another striker - to get the required standard you need to spend a decent amount.£30-50mil won't do it - a big spend of £75-100mil could possibly do it

But the owners won't put their hands in their pockets to spend that much

And if you think fans don't have a problem with that then I suggest having a quick read at both Rawk and LFC Reds within threads about the owners - it might open your eyes.

my eyes are open...but your blinkers are firmly on, hence you're one man arguement on this thread.

I've never met a fan at Anfield (or in the Albert) who wants Liverpool to be run like CIty or Chelsea....and I'm for one glad of it.

The owners tried throwing money at the problem and we ended up with Downing, Carroll, Henderson and Adam.  Now they're doing it their way and, for me, it's starting to gel. Moan all you like, but things are getting better and BR is the right man for it

[Benny The Noon]

So you think we are going to win the title with the way they are running the club and the spending that they will allow ( only spending what the club itself makes )

[Ola Mr Benitez]

I do believe we will win the title the way they are managing the club.  It is going to take a few seasons though.

Because they have bought so many young players who under the right manager (BR) will all become top players.  On top of that we slowly add some experience spending 20 mill each window.

We are not that far off fourth this season and it is only really seasson 1 of their's and Brendans plan

[7_Kewell]

I do believe we will win the title the way they are managing the club.  It is going to take a few seasons though.

Because they have bought so many young players who under the right manager (BR) will all become top players.  On top of that we slowly add some experience spending 20 mill each window.

We are not that far off fourth this season and it is only really seasson 1 of their's and Brendans plan

Spot on.

A top 4 finish was always (and still is) a distant hope, and it's next season we'll really shine.

[Benny The Noon]

And its based on what evidence and fact ? Or is it more in hope ?

Both in the winning the title this way and the fact the younger players will become "top players" under BR ?

[jacdaniel]

I do believe we will win the title the way they are managing the club.  It is going to take a few seasons though.

Because they have bought so many young players who under the right manager (BR) will all become top players.  On top of that we slowly add some experience spending 20 mill each window.

We are not that far off fourth this season and it is only really seasson 1 of their's and Brendans plan

Thats if we can keep our current team together though.  It might not be easy to keep players like Suarez at the club when he could walk into any side in the world.  Also, the young players aren't guaranteed to all become top players.  Some will, some might, some probably won't.  Injuries and other things like that often dictate otherwise.

I am happy enough with the progress we are making, but also slightly concerned that maybe we aren't spending enough on proven quality.   

If you watch any of Stevie G's latest interviews, even he seems slightly concerned. 
We're reaching a vital stage were Top 4 is a must next season or else we will almost certainly lose key players. 

If that turns out to be the case, how we spend the money we make will be very important.

[Benny The Noon]

This is the sort thing we would need to be involved in - if not then we get left behind . The problem is some will not want to be involved in it because its money from the Middle East

The Times Exclusive: Absolutely Fascinating - Sheikhs to change the face of world football

The world’s leading football clubs are to be offered enormous financial inducements to participate in a 24-team tournament every two years in Qatar and neighbouring Gulf states, The Times has learnt.

Backed by the Qatari royal family, the self-styled “Dream Football League” (DFL) will release plans next month for a new club tournament that it hopes to establish as a rival to the Champions League and the Club World Cup.

The move, the latest stage of Qatar’s bid to establish itself as a dominant player in world football, represents a clear threat to the existing powerbases of Fifa, football’s world governing body, and Uefa, its European counterpart.

It remains to be seen which, if any, Barclays Premier League clubs will sign up for the project, but DFL is prepared to offer elite clubs such as Barcelona and Manchester United an astonishing €200 million (about £175 million) per two-year cycle in an attempt to gain support.

Its plan is to have four of England’s most prestigious clubs among 16 “permanent” DFL members, with a further eight global clubs competing on an invitational basis.

The project is being driven from Doha and Paris after the recent takeover of Paris Saint-Germain by Qatar Sports Investment (QSI).

Qatar is eager to win the full support of the increasingly influential European Club Association (ECA), which is involved in a continuing power struggle with Uefa and Fifa, but the recent ECA general assembly, held in Doha, featured a stern warning from Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, the chairman, to PSG about the French club’s aggressive attempts to win power and influence among the game’s elite.

If successful, the idea — which would feature the first tournament held across the region in the summer of 2015 — would change the face of world football, not least in widening the gap between the richest clubs and the rest.

The sums under discussion would dwarf those in the Champions League, which has an annual prize fund of £595 million. Chelsea won £47.3 million as European champions last season.

DFL’s idea is that the sums involved would lead clubs to make the tournament their top priority, even ahead of the Champions League and their domestic leagues, particularly in an era in which additional revenue will help clubs such as PSG and Manchester City, respectively owned by sovereign wealth funds in Qatar and Abu Dhabi, to overcome Uefa’s new “financial fair play” regulations.

The idea of holding the tournament in the summer is a key part of Qatar’s strategy. Having encountered widespread objections to its controversial plans to host the 2022 World Cup finals in summer, when temperatures soar beyond 40C (104F), Qatar aims to demonstrate that it can, with the backing of the most powerful clubs, overcome concerns about player and spectator safety with the use of air conditioning not just in the stadiums but throughout all host cities.

DFL plans to hold the tournament not only in Qatar but in six cities across the Gulf, with venues in Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates and possibly Saudi Arabia.

Officials from Uefa and the Premier League declined to comment on the DFL proposals last night. The ECA did not respond to inquiries.

Leading figures from Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City and Manchester United also declined to respond, although some privately expressed full support for the existing competition in club football while saying that they had not heard of the DFL proposals.

The existing European club competition structure has been far more stable since Uefa reacted to the “Media Partners” breakaway league threat of the 1990s by expanding the Champions League, but there have been renewed discussions in recent years about the idea of creating a competition whereby the elite clubs play each other more often than the present arrangements allow.

Florentino Pérez, the Real Madrid president, said in 2009 that it was time to push for “a new European super league, which guarantees that the best always play the best, which does not happen in the Champions League”.

At very least, it is possible that there will be a desire among the clubs to use the interest from Qatar to push for changes to the existing Champions League and Europa League structure and to the financial rewards that are involved.

But in Qatar they are serious about the DFL proposal.

As one source close to the project said: “These people have already shown that, if they want something to happen, they will throw enough money at it to make it happen. And the football industry has shown that everything can be bought for the right price.”

[killerp]

This is the sort thing we would need to be involved in - if not then we get left behind . The problem is some will not want to be involved in it because its money from the Middle East

The Times Exclusive: Absolutely Fascinating - Sheikhs to change the face of world football

The world’s leading football clubs are to be offered enormous financial inducements to participate in a 24-team tournament every two years in Qatar and neighbouring Gulf states, The Times has learnt.

Backed by the Qatari royal family, the self-styled “Dream Football League” (DFL) will release plans next month for a new club tournament that it hopes to establish as a rival to the Champions League and the Club World Cup.

The move, the latest stage of Qatar’s bid to establish itself as a dominant player in world football, represents a clear threat to the existing powerbases of Fifa, football’s world governing body, and Uefa, its European counterpart.

It remains to be seen which, if any, Barclays Premier League clubs will sign up for the project, but DFL is prepared to offer elite clubs such as Barcelona and Manchester United an astonishing €200 million (about £175 million) per two-year cycle in an attempt to gain support.

Its plan is to have four of England’s most prestigious clubs among 16 “permanent” DFL members, with a further eight global clubs competing on an invitational basis.

The project is being driven from Doha and Paris after the recent takeover of Paris Saint-Germain by Qatar Sports Investment (QSI).

Qatar is eager to win the full support of the increasingly influential European Club Association (ECA), which is involved in a continuing power struggle with Uefa and Fifa, but the recent ECA general assembly, held in Doha, featured a stern warning from Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, the chairman, to PSG about the French club’s aggressive attempts to win power and influence among the game’s elite.

If successful, the idea — which would feature the first tournament held across the region in the summer of 2015 — would change the face of world football, not least in widening the gap between the richest clubs and the rest.

The sums under discussion would dwarf those in the Champions League, which has an annual prize fund of £595 million. Chelsea won £47.3 million as European champions last season.

DFL’s idea is that the sums involved would lead clubs to make the tournament their top priority, even ahead of the Champions League and their domestic leagues, particularly in an era in which additional revenue will help clubs such as PSG and Manchester City, respectively owned by sovereign wealth funds in Qatar and Abu Dhabi, to overcome Uefa’s new “financial fair play” regulations.

The idea of holding the tournament in the summer is a key part of Qatar’s strategy. Having encountered widespread objections to its controversial plans to host the 2022 World Cup finals in summer, when temperatures soar beyond 40C (104F), Qatar aims to demonstrate that it can, with the backing of the most powerful clubs, overcome concerns about player and spectator safety with the use of air conditioning not just in the stadiums but throughout all host cities.

DFL plans to hold the tournament not only in Qatar but in six cities across the Gulf, with venues in Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates and possibly Saudi Arabia.

Officials from Uefa and the Premier League declined to comment on the DFL proposals last night. The ECA did not respond to inquiries.

Leading figures from Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City and Manchester United also declined to respond, although some privately expressed full support for the existing competition in club football while saying that they had not heard of the DFL proposals.

The existing European club competition structure has been far more stable since Uefa reacted to the “Media Partners” breakaway league threat of the 1990s by expanding the Champions League, but there have been renewed discussions in recent years about the idea of creating a competition whereby the elite clubs play each other more often than the present arrangements allow.

Florentino Pérez, the Real Madrid president, said in 2009 that it was time to push for “a new European super league, which guarantees that the best always play the best, which does not happen in the Champions League”.

At very least, it is possible that there will be a desire among the clubs to use the interest from Qatar to push for changes to the existing Champions League and Europa League structure and to the financial rewards that are involved.

But in Qatar they are serious about the DFL proposal.

As one source close to the project said: “These people have already shown that, if they want something to happen, they will throw enough money at it to make it happen. And the football industry has shown that everything can be bought for the right price.”

Judging by the world cup host selection process, money can make almost anything happen. Just not sure how prestigious playing in the Qatar desert in the middle of summer with minimal travelling fans will be.

[The Good Yank]

This rumor about this tournament, while seemingly fairly well thought out, for me makes little sense.  Why would the Qatari FA allow something like this, which is essentially a slap in FIFA's face, after securing the World Cup in 2022.

If something like this happens, I'd not be shocked at all to see FIFA pull the World Cup away from Qatar.

[devaney]

We have a Champions League that usually culminates with virtually always the top 16 teams in Europe fighting for what has become possibly the most prestigious trophy in the world between February and May each year. I accept that there will be the odd exception that's gets through to the final 16 but they are few and far between.

Why do we need this Qatar money motivated showpiece pantomime in the searing heat of the desert in a non footballing country? The Qatari FA also seem to agree as they have categorically denied any interest in such a competition.