Liverpool FC Forum

[devaney]

Boscarf lad your maths are shight like most of the anti FSG comments on here    Dalglish and Comolli spent (wasted) close to a £110m. The value of the players that they sold was less than £80m. During this transfer window LFC have spent £30m with players sold totalling a maximum of £15m. In just over 12 months FSG have allowed a net sum of £45m to be invested. I accept that we did very little on the last day of the transfer window except get rid of a player costing £80k a week and producing very little in return.The loss of Adam should be deemed a bonus together with the loss of Spearing. Bellamy I liked and would have preferred that he stayed but age and fitness was against him. Don't lose sight of the fact that we were the fifth or sixth biggest spending club during the transfer window. FSG if they are half as bad as some of the fukwits on here claim could easily have said to Kenny and Comolli fk off we're keeping all of the money from the players that have been sold and you can have £30m and start doing some decent work in the transfer market. I hate to say this but if Moyes can buy Arteta, Lescott, Cahill and Jelavic for less than £16m for the lot of them then it is not our owners that are at fault when it comes to transfer dealings. Can anybody reasonably blame them for not throwing ridiculous amounts of money at new players when you look at the way Dalglish and Comolli p.issed over £80m down the Mersey. In FSG first year LFC showed a loss of £60m. They couldn't really be accused of asset stripping could they.

Moyes is a genius when it comes to transfers
He is suited to a club with no money.
Hopefully Rodgers is similar

we are the 8th richest football club in the world thommo and a giant compared to neverton.
the value of the club has increased since the cowboys left but where our problem lies is that other than the purchase price they shelled out they wont dip in to their own pockets.the purchase price of the club is what they will grow and make their profit on.
i suppose we can be thankful they arent asset stripping either but would it have killed them to stretch to the extra 2 mil to land a replacement for carroll.
quite frankly im disapointed that they have gone the route they have and not backed their man properly but have sent him to do a job with no laces in his boots and an arm tied behind his back.
and@ devaney,that 60mil in losses fsg posted in their first year was down to the stadium plans having to be scrapped at a cost of £40-£50mil.that was t&t's baby and inherited by fsg when they bought the club.they decided to scrap them and start again while the club picked up the cost of it.

Red - I know why LFC made a loss. The point I'm making is that it would have been very easy to avoid making such a substantial loss by not giving Dalglish and Comolli £110m which unfortunately they wasted. Where exactly did the £45m come from if they didn't dip into their own pockets? If they hadn't spent it the loss would have been nearer £15m which would have ensured there was going to be a lot more money in their pockets sooner rather than later!

[tubby]

In simple terms it means this will be a season of transition, we are going to be lightweight and struggle to kill teams off, but the plus side (if it can be called such) is that this group of players now has a season to fully adapt to the beautiful game the manager wants to play without any real pressure. The owners cannot seriously expect a marked improvement given the comings and goings of the first team squad. It would be hurtful for our midfield to thrive this season only for Sahin to head back to Spain but if we can see real progression on the pitch then maybe this giant black cloud has a silver lining. It just involves a pragmatic lowering of our expectations.
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Good point however jst cruising along eventually leads to players wanting away. Also lets imagine this team starts playing well and Rogers' style is realised. If we don't add to that team other teams will come picking for the likes of Suarez, Allen, Sterling whoever...

[Penguins]

But can we afford more seasons of transition?

What is the meaning of the loan of Sahin then?
He will be gone after the season so he won't help us in the future.
Agger still hasn't signed yet and has 1 year left next summer. Will he stay after another season of transition(finishing around 8th again)
Same question in regards to Suarez.

[celtic-red!]

In simple terms it means this will be a season of transition, we are going to be lightweight and struggle to kill teams off, but the plus side (if it can be called such) is that this group of players now has a season to fully adapt to the beautiful game the manager wants to play without any real pressure. The owners cannot seriously expect a marked improvement given the comings and goings of the first team squad. It would be hurtful for our midfield to thrive this season only for Sahin to head back to Spain but if we can see real progression on the pitch then maybe this giant black cloud has a silver lining. It just involves a pragmatic lowering of our expectations.

Andy Carroll is having a stormer today btw. 

If we dont perform well this season -and I'm talking about results not performances- then Rodgers wont have a job next summer. What if the next manager we bring in likes to play a more direct approach and some of the players at the club dont suit his style? You simply dont send a 35mill player out on loan regardless of the style you want to play.
Regarding pressure, its delusional to think that a club like Liverpool wont be under pressure to perform or get results anytime soon. We have one of the most expensive squads in the league and one that has some of the best players in their respective positions. We WILL be under pressure if things dont go our way. The same youngsters that should be methodically introduced to the first team will now have to perform under pressure simply due to the lack of options. The likes of Sterling and Morgan should be given time at such a vital stage in their development and if we get it wrong not only is our season ruined but potentially the careers of promising young players could be hampered.

Regarding all the abuse the owners seem to be getting, does anyone really believe that the owners wanted us to send Carroll out on loan ? It makes no financial sense for them to want to do that and if anything it makes them look like mugs having forked out all that money to sign him last year. Rodgers was given 20mill+ whatever he could make from player sales. The manager was the one who decided to invest in the players he did, and he was the one to decide on the players leaving the club.

Not being funny but I am pretty sure that once BR told FSG Carroll was no longer in his plans and wanted him gone, FSG would be happy they are no longer paying his £80,000 per week wages.

Who wants to pay someone £80,000 per week to sit on the bench all season?

[The Hustler]

I wish to know where the new stadium is??

Anytime soon.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

you have to wonder whats going on at the club if rodgers wasnt aware that his transfer budget included wages.
why didnt the owners or ayre tell him?  rodgers must think the whole thing is a right f**king carry on, his head must be spinning.

[friendlyguy33]

Ayre could be next out the door after his performance yesterday, wouldnt surprise me.

I doubt it given that he was just following orders. Nobody is on the way out the door. BR is expected to bring players in with a magic wand for as little as possible presumably because of these fair play rules.

The owners need to look around City and other clubs are still spending modest amounts on players that add something. When this team ends up in mid-table again by next May and the attendances start falling again perhaps the penny will drop again and they might just realise the folly that this summer has been.

[Boxscarf]

If we are to believe that they want us to succeed to make us more profitable then it doesnt make sense not to invest
They must know that we will not move up the table without better players?

My guess is that they do not want to sell the club, but they are reluctant to invest a great deal of money into the club because they won't see a full return on their investment. If they invest £50m on players, they probably won't ever get the full £50m back, nevermind a 'profit'. I also feel that they don't want to upset the Red Sox fans by making large scale investment into Liverpool when the Boston Red Sox has to generate its own revenue in order to sign players and compete at the highest level. Also a member of FSG owns AS Roma, so I suppose the owner will be far more committed to that club then ours.

Robert Kraft was spot on about what he said in his article a few months ago and I feel deep down that FSG went into this with their eyes closed and have had a rude awakening.

[tubby]

Directer of communications f*cking Jen Chang. Why did no one communicate to BR sooner that the 20mil included wages? These lot haven't got a clue.

[woof woof !]

you have to wonder whats going on at the club if rodgers wasnt aware that his transfer budget included wages.
why didnt the owners or ayre tell him?  rodgers must think the whole thing is a right f**king carry on, his head must be spinning.

Disagree, given all that's gone on a LFC in recent seasons as the NEW manager I'd be doing due diligence on EXACTLY what my cash spending limits are, if Rodgers head as you suggest is spinning it's maybe because he's suddenly remembered that in his rush to become part of the legend that is LFC he didn't bother to read the small print in the conditions of contract.

When are people gonna stop making excuses for this fella ? so far as far as I'm concerned he's done f'uck all to elicit our unwavering trust in his "ability"

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

you have to wonder whats going on at the club if rodgers wasnt aware that his transfer budget included wages.
why didnt the owners or ayre tell him?  rodgers must think the whole thing is a right f**king carry on, his head must be spinning.

Disagree, given all that's gone on a LFC in recent seasons as the NEW manager I'd be doing due diligence on EXACTLY what my cash spending limits are, if Rodgers head as you suggest is spinning it's maybe because he's suddenly remembered that in his rush to become part of the legend that is LFC he didn't bother to read the small print in the conditions of contract.

When are people gonna stop making excuses for this fella ? so far as far as I'm concerned he's done f'uck all to elicit our unwavering trust in his "ability"

come off it mate, he probably said how much have i got to spend this window and recieved the answer £20m, every footy manager in the country would have assumed that £20m was for transfer fee`s alone and didnt include wages.
anyway tom werner said in april that fsg had the financial clout to compete with anyone in football if they had to, i`m sure they could have went over budget a mil or two especially given the circumstances.
it`s false economy, if suarez get`s hurt that decision not to bring in a back up striker could cost them tens of millions, infact if suarez gets hurt and we have another poor season we could see an exodus of our top players, that penny pinching could cost them the good starting XI we have at the moment.

[tubby]

#LFC statement (June 2012): "The owners are always willing to provide funds where necessary to strengthen the squad."

#LFC statement (June 2012) “There will be no requirement to sell players this summer in order to fund new purchases.”

Chairman Tom Werner said on April 12: “I would say we certainly have the resources to compete with anybody in football." #LFC

[mart]

come off it mate, he probably said how much have i got to spend this window and recieved the answer £20m, every footy manager in the country would have assumed that £20m was for transfer fee`s alone and didnt include wages.

How on earth do we manage to do anything at all if thats the level of communication in this club?

A more likely scenario is that we had to sell Carroll to buy another striker, but noone wanted to pay the price we demanded for him. We sent him on loan and gambled on getting dempsey for a low price. When that failed we didnt have a plan b, and no time to think of one.

[celtic-red!]

come off it mate, he probably said how much have i got to spend this window and recieved the answer £20m, every footy manager in the country would have assumed that £20m was for transfer fee`s alone and didnt include wages.

How on earth do we manage to do anything at all if thats the level of communication in this club?

A more likely scenario is that we had to sell Carroll to buy another striker, but noone wanted to pay the price we demanded for him. We sent him on loan and gambled on getting dempsey for a low price. When that failed we didnt have a plan b, and no time to think of one.

It was always clear that BR wanted to sell Carroll to raise funds.  We go not no fee for spearing so that didnt help either.

Also I think BR was hoping that chelsea would allow sturridge to leave on loan but that couldnt happen unless Chelsea got another striker in and that never happened.

[heimdall]

you have to wonder whats going on at the club if rodgers wasnt aware that his transfer budget included wages.
why didnt the owners or ayre tell him?  rodgers must think the whole thing is a right f**king carry on, his head must be spinning.

Disagree, given all that's gone on a LFC in recent seasons as the NEW manager I'd be doing due diligence on EXACTLY what my cash spending limits are, if Rodgers head as you suggest is spinning it's maybe because he's suddenly remembered that in his rush to become part of the legend that is LFC he didn't bother to read the small print in the conditions of contract.

When are people gonna stop making excuses for this fella ? so far as far as I'm concerned he's done f'uck all to elicit our unwavering trust in his "ability"

Wow so do you think its Brendan who refused to pay more than £4 million for Dempsey or perhaps it was Ayre, which seems most likely to you. Brendan has my full support he has done everything right so far including removing a lot of CR@p signings from the club.