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[Thommo's perm]

Forget Aquilani, the guy was never the answer and was easily Rafa's worst buy. Hes a lazy, injury prone bit part player at every club hes been at.. Roma, us, Milan.. there is also a reason that no Italian club (who know more about him than any English side) are interested and would pay more than 4m, there is a reason that he was loaned out again by us.

Its a question of ambition... do we aspire to be good again? .. or are we now rooted in mediocrity that average/sub par players are now acceptable?

We spent over 110 million and bought one truly top class player that is befitting of a title/top 4 challenging side, Kenny squandered the rest on the very players who should be unacceptable at this club but as each year passes and mediocrity sets in they are becoming acceptable. We are getting used to mediocrity that its becoming more entrenched in the mentality of quite a few and is now acceptable. The demands and expectations are being lowered by such fans as each season passes and money squandered that there is an acceptance. Spearing puffs his cheeks and runs 5 yards after a player in a game.."well done Jay lad" is now the call among a few. For those of us with ambition and standards, seeing his ilk wearing a Liverpool shirt is depressing.

In one way it would be a good thing, a healthy thing, if Dalglish was fired, as then it would remove the skewed biased emotional assessment of the manager. It was my concern when he was appointed that poor results/signings would be excused because of who he is... a special dispensation afforded to him at the detriment of the club. It has certainly been a factor among those with a rose tinted attachment to the manager.

Blah blah blah
Make youre Fu*king mind up!
In another thread you said you didnt want KK to go
Just like a woman...

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Forget Aquilani, the guy was never the answer and was easily Rafa's worst buy. Hes a lazy, injury prone bit part player at every club hes been at.. Roma, us, Milan.. there is also a reason that no Italian club (who know more about him than any English side) are interested and would pay more than 4m, there is a reason that he was loaned out again by us.

Its a question of ambition... do we aspire to be good again? .. or are we now rooted in mediocrity that average/sub par players are now acceptable?

We spent over 110 million and bought one truly top class player that is befitting of a title/top 4 challenging side, Kenny squandered the rest on the very players who should be unacceptable at this club but as each year passes and mediocrity sets in they are becoming acceptable. We are getting used to mediocrity that its becoming more entrenched in the mentality of quite a few and is now acceptable. The demands and expectations are being lowered by such fans as each season passes and money squandered that there is an acceptance. Spearing puffs his cheeks and runs 5 yards after a player in a game.."well done Jay lad" is now the call among a few. For those of us with ambition and standards, seeing his ilk wearing a Liverpool shirt is depressing.

In one way it would be a good thing, a healthy thing, if Dalglish was fired, as then it would remove the skewed biased emotional assessment of the manager. It was my concern when he was appointed that poor results/signings would be excused because of who he is... a special dispensation afforded to him at the detriment of the club. It has certainly been a factor among those with a rose tinted attachment to the manager.

aquilani was never given a proper chance by benitez, he signed injured and was out a while but then out of the blue benitez questioned his mentality. then aquilani`s arl fella went in the echo and said that alberto has been waiting to play and has been ready to play for months but benitez wouldnt play him.
i think by that stage rafa had lost the plot and become overly cautious, he`d realised he dropped a huge clanger alienating alonso so he fell back on his tactical knowledge and tried to make us hard to beat by filling the side with workhorses.
at one stage though we had injuries and suspensions so he put the likes of aquilani, babel and maxi in against portsmouth at anfield and it was one of the best performances seen at anfield in years, the passing and movement was brilliant and i remember a few of the moves from that game being made into gifs or whatever they are called. aquilani got MoM but unfortunately the very next game was united away so he was dropped and the workhorses came back in.
hodgson didnt give him a chance after he picked up a knock in pre season and kenny didnt either even though he looked the best player at the club in pre season.
i think he was treated very harshly, he signed in similar circumstances to carroll i.e injured and look how long it`s taken carroll to get fully fit and firing on all cylinders.
i`d have him back and i`d start him in the team as well.

[RichardLFC1]

No Adam Johnson in the england squad for the Euros. Need to sort the Kenny thing out and Bid for that boy Pronto

[Raoul]

No Adam Johnson in the england squad for the Euros. Need to sort the Kenny thing out and Bid for that boy Pronto

Still can't see it happening, but it is probably the best chance we'll have. As others have pointed out, he is not getting any better sitting on the bench, so sooner rather than later he won't be worth looking at.

[maguskwt]

We should sign Owen this summer... out of contract with the Mancs... He'll be a good back-up option... he's not half the player he used to be when he was in his prime... but he's a goalscorer and still knows where the goal is. He scored 3 goals in 4 appearances. Same can't be said for Andy Caroll. Besides if we are to get back into top 4 we need good subtitutes who can come on and score goals...

[Benny The Noon]

We should sign Owen this summer... out of contract with the Mancs... He'll be a good back-up option... he's not half the player he used to be when he was in his prime... but he's a goalscorer and still knows where the goal is. He scored 3 goals in 4 appearances. Same can't be said for Andy Caroll. Besides if we are to get back into top 4 we need good subtitutes who can come on and score goals...

Owen can f*cking rot in hell.

Injury prone judas *****

[Kenny Kan]

We should sign Owen this summer... out of contract with the Mancs... He'll be a good back-up option... he's not half the player he used to be when he was in his prime... but he's a goalscorer and still knows where the goal is. He scored 3 goals in 4 appearances. Same can't be said for Andy Caroll. Besides if we are to get back into top 4 we need good subtitutes who can come on and score goals...

   

[maguskwt]

We should sign Owen this summer... out of contract with the Mancs... He'll be a good back-up option... he's not half the player he used to be when he was in his prime... but he's a goalscorer and still knows where the goal is. He scored 3 goals in 4 appearances. Same can't be said for Andy Caroll. Besides if we are to get back into top 4 we need good subtitutes who can come on and score goals...

Owen can f*cking rot in hell.

Injury prone judas *****

... ok...

[maguskwt]

Oh come on... don't dismiss my suggestion by just looking at it superficiously... strength in depth is what I'm talking about... of course he needs to accept reasonable wages... 

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

We should sign Owen this summer... out of contract with the Mancs... He'll be a good back-up option... he's not half the player he used to be when he was in his prime... but he's a goalscorer and still knows where the goal is. He scored 3 goals in 4 appearances. Same can't be said for Andy Caroll. Besides if we are to get back into top 4 we need good subtitutes who can come on and score goals...

are you taking the p1$$? how much more could one player sh1t on a club?
when he wanted out we could have got £30m for him but owen wasnt @rsed about the club, he kept running his contract down and kept on making excuses, eventually with time running out the club put their foot down and told him to sign or go for a decent price, owen said in the echo that he`d sign as soon as his agent came back from holiday, 3 months later he still hadnt signed.
in the end the club were f**ked, they made the mistake of believing him, when he started making noises about wanting to `win things and if that had to be at a different club so be it` it was too late then, there was only a year left on his contract, in the end he went for a fraction of what we should have got but that suited owen.
then he signs for manchester united, this is a player that came through the ranks at liverpool.

[maguskwt]

We should sign Owen this summer... out of contract with the Mancs... He'll be a good back-up option... he's not half the player he used to be when he was in his prime... but he's a goalscorer and still knows where the goal is. He scored 3 goals in 4 appearances. Same can't be said for Andy Caroll. Besides if we are to get back into top 4 we need good subtitutes who can come on and score goals...

are you taking the p1$$? how much more could one player sh1t on a club?
when he wanted out we could have got £30m for him but owen wasnt @rsed about the club, he kept running his contract down and kept on making excuses, eventually with time running out the club put their foot down and told him to sign or go for a decent price, owen said in the echo that he`d sign as soon as his agent came back from holiday, 3 months later he still hadnt signed.
in the end the club were f**ked, they made the mistake of believing him, when he started making noises about wanting to `win things and if that had to be at a different club so be it` it was too late then, there was only a year left on his contract, in the end he went for a fraction of what we should have got but that suited owen.
then he signs for manchester united, this is a player that came through the ranks at liverpool.

You can't blame Owen for that, a contract is a contract, if Owen manages to run out the contract, then it means Parry is too incompetent. In club vs player, you can't bame the player for both not realizing the contract, or realizing the contract. And how would you know what really happened. For all you know Owen probably told the club that if it's Real Madrid he won't extend the contract.

Yes I was gutted and blamed him for leaving. But let's be honest, it was Real Madrid. Very very few players would turn them down. Torres did something far worse than Owen. He joined our direct rivals in Chelsea, even when we are reinforcing the strikeforce with Suarez. And Owen also joined the mancs out of desperation. It was long after he left Liverpool. I don't blame him... not now... back then yes but not anymore...

[Benny The Noon]

OMG you are being serious !!

[maguskwt]

OMG you are being serious !!

I am Benny, I am being serious. I'm not talking about signing him as our main striker, I'm talking about signing him as a back-up, as a means for strength in depth. A title challenging team or top 4 team needs 4 strikers IMO. We only have 2 now, suarez and carroll. Kuyt can't be depended on for goals. Owen knows how to finish more than any of our strikers, Suarez included...

[Benny The Noon]

OMG you are being serious !!

I am Benny, I am being serious. I'm not talking about signing him as our main striker, I'm talking about signing him as a back-up, as a means for strength in depth. A title challenging team or top 4 team needs 4 strikers IMO. We only have 2 now, suarez and carroll. Kuyt can't be depended on for goals. Owen knows how to finish more than any of our strikers, Suarez included...

Mags i think its only fair of you think back to 2004 and then his Newcastle move and then the Scum move after his brochure and stating he was finally at the best club in the world.

Like i said the little ***** can rot

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

We should sign Owen this summer... out of contract with the Mancs... He'll be a good back-up option... he's not half the player he used to be when he was in his prime... but he's a goalscorer and still knows where the goal is. He scored 3 goals in 4 appearances. Same can't be said for Andy Caroll. Besides if we are to get back into top 4 we need good subtitutes who can come on and score goals...

are you taking the p1$$? how much more could one player sh1t on a club?
when he wanted out we could have got £30m for him but owen wasnt @rsed about the club, he kept running his contract down and kept on making excuses, eventually with time running out the club put their foot down and told him to sign or go for a decent price, owen said in the echo that he`d sign as soon as his agent came back from holiday, 3 months later he still hadnt signed.
in the end the club were f**ked, they made the mistake of believing him, when he started making noises about wanting to `win things and if that had to be at a different club so be it` it was too late then, there was only a year left on his contract, in the end he went for a fraction of what we should have got but that suited owen.
then he signs for manchester united, this is a player that came through the ranks at liverpool.

You can't blame Owen for that, a contract is a contract, if Owen manages to run out the contract, then it means Parry is too incompetent. In club vs player, you can't bame the player for both not realizing the contract, or realizing the contract. And how would you know what really happened. For all you know Owen probably told the club that if it's Real Madrid he won't extend the contract.

Yes I was gutted and blamed him for leaving. But let's be honest, it was Real Madrid. Very very few players would turn them down. Torres did something far worse than Owen. He joined our direct rivals in Chelsea, even when we are reinforcing the strikeforce with Suarez. And Owen also joined the mancs out of desperation. It was long after he left Liverpool. I don't blame him... not now... back then yes but not anymore...

it wasnt the fact that he went it was the sly @rse way he did it, when he had 18 months left on his contract the club said to him - `sorry michael, no more excuses, there is a contract either sign it or go, we cant afford to lose you for practically nothing`
the next day he said he would sign, it was all over the echo, about 3 pages full of articles how great this news was that owen had committed himself to the club for the next 5 years, the only hold up was that his agent was on holiday......
he knew we were skint, he knew moores had to sell the club because he had no money to buy players, it was happening at the same time as his contract saga but all he could think about was leaving on the best possible terms for him.
he didnt give a $*i*e about the club that had taught him his trade, he thought we were sinking and he wasnt about to give the club a lifejacket of a £30m transfer fee.
at least keegan and torres let the club get big money for them