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[red till i die!!]

Dont get me wrong.. hes a good player, and has a knack of scoring scruffy goals. Watched him for Rangers and knew he would do well here. I'm not disputing hes a step up from what we have up top. But just signing him because hes better than what we have is no criteria to go on... hes a 2nd tier forward.

Its a question of where do we aspire to be... fighting among the top sides?... or best of the rest?[/quote]

we will never have the luxury of having a front line with players like suarez,lllorente and benzema in it at the same time unless we spend it like city and we both know that isnt going to happen.[/quote]

We forked out 35 million for a forward.[/quote]

look at what city have forked out on tevez,aguero,dzeko and ballotelli and what they are paying them in wages.
as i said we will never have that luxury.
i think its the £35 mil that is eating away at you more so than the player.
what's done is done and you should try to come to terms with that and hope that the next time we spend cash like that it proves to be more fruitful in the short term.

[Boxscarf]

Falcao cost Atletico Madrid around the same price as Andy Carroll, thus far this season Falcao has scored 33 goals in 46 matches. Could we have not signed Falcao in January of last year?

If a club is going to splash the cash like that, it needs to be on proven quality, you don't fork out £35m on a player with the potential to be a class act five or ten years down the line. You pay that sort of money for proven quality like Torres, like Aguero, like Falcao.

I believe if we had a manager and a Director of Football with more knowledge of genuine quality from places like Spain, Italy, Portugal, South America and Asia that we'd have had a lot more success in the transfer market last summer.

I'm pretty sure for the £20m we paid for Downing that would have signed someone much better, I bet if we added a few more million to things we could have potentially signed Juan Mata and even if we missed out then at least we'd have shown a modicum of ambition.

[Thommo's perm]

You are soooo dramatic

Is he/she wrong though? Suarez has arguably been our best attacker this season (and the most frustrating) and it is clear to see that he is our most creative attacker. If you want to get the best out of Suarez then he needs to have players like Maxi, Kuyt, Bellamy, Gerrard playing around him on a consistent basis, even last season when we had Meireles he linked up well with Suarez. When you put Adam, Spearing, Henderson and Downing around Suarez, he's not the same player. I'm surprised him and Carroll play well together but they seem to play well, if only they were both prolific, but I guess you can't have your cake and you can't eat it too, such is life.

Suarez deserves a better quality of footballer around him and so do us supporters, finishing mid-table in the league is not good enough for this football club and if we want to keep players of Suarez's quality then we need to be ambitious and bring in the best quality players that our buck can buy and if signing the likes of Adam, Carroll, Downing and Henderson is the best we can buy for our buck then we're in serious trouble and we might need to re-think our stature because evidently we're on a highway to being an Everton, a big club that is no longer thought of as a big club. An empty shell of what once was.

You may slate people like D_C, yes at times that poster is irritating, especially with their constant criticism of Carroll, even when he's performing well, but their heart is in the right place and they are echoing the sentiments of many a Liverpool supporter.

You make some decent points, especially about the mid table fnish and the quality of Suarez.
Are the players of a lower quality or have they not been performing to their best ability? We will find this out soon as the season finishes.
I doubt we are on a highway to being everton as they have been sh'it for quite some years ( I know they might finish above us but it doesnt stop them from being bitter bluenoses with a pr'ick of a chairman and gollum for a manager)
I doubt Kerrys heart is in the right place, because I dont believe shes a real supporter. Her constant, boring, repetative criticism of Carroll, KK and LFC in general prove to me she is a wind up from another teams forum who has come here to cause mischief and cause arguments between red and red. She has done a pretty good job as some people have supported her slagging of Carroll and suggestion that KK should be sacked.
But, hey ho. Im sure people who have never even heard of Kerry are saying the same things, mainly because they read the same sh'it papers and believe the hypocritical bo'llocks they print

[Boxscarf]

You make some decent points, especially about the mid table fnish and the quality of Suarez.
Are the players of a lower quality or have they not been performing to their best ability? We will find this out soon as the season finishes.
I doubt we are on a highway to being everton as they have been sh'it for quite some years ( I know they might finish above us but it doesnt stop them from being bitter bluenoses with a pr'ick of a chairman and gollum for a manager)
I doubt Kerrys heart is in the right place, because I dont believe shes a real supporter. Her constant, boring, repetative criticism of Carroll, KK and LFC in general prove to me she is a wind up from another teams forum who has come here to cause mischief and cause arguments between red and red. She has done a pretty good job as some people have supported her slagging of Carroll and suggestion that KK should be sacked.
But, hey ho. Im sure people who have never even heard of Kerry are saying the same things, mainly because they read the same sh'it papers and believe the hypocritical bo'llocks they print

Are the players that are playing around Suarez of a lower quality level of the man? Yes, undoubtedly! Are they performing below par? Yes they are! Players like Adam and Henderson aren't performing anywhere near the kind of levels they were for their previous employers. Big fish in a small pond becoming small fish in a big pond perhaps? I'd argue that Liverpool have been poor for years, I mean we're pretty much just a cup side and have been since 1992. You can belittle other Liverpool fans, that's your choice, but I understand the concerns of Liverpool supporters who are worried about the direction we are heading.

If we want to become a successful football club, then we need to be doing as well in the league as we are in cup competitions. We need to be able to attract genuine top quality footballers and we'll only do that when we're challenging for the league on a consistent basis and when we are in the Champions League season after season. We cannot hope to attract top quality footballers with an FA Cup and Carling Cup victory, Europa League football and a mid-table league finish.

[Thommo's perm]

You make some decent points, especially about the mid table fnish and the quality of Suarez.
Are the players of a lower quality or have they not been performing to their best ability? We will find this out soon as the season finishes.
I doubt we are on a highway to being everton as they have been sh'it for quite some years ( I know they might finish above us but it doesnt stop them from being bitter bluenoses with a pr'ick of a chairman and gollum for a manager)
I doubt Kerrys heart is in the right place, because I dont believe shes a real supporter. Her constant, boring, repetative criticism of Carroll, KK and LFC in general prove to me she is a wind up from another teams forum who has come here to cause mischief and cause arguments between red and red. She has done a pretty good job as some people have supported her slagging of Carroll and suggestion that KK should be sacked.
But, hey ho. Im sure people who have never even heard of Kerry are saying the same things, mainly because they read the same sh'it papers and believe the hypocritical bo'llocks they print

Are the players that are playing around Suarez of a lower quality level of the man? Yes, undoubtedly! Are they performing below par? Yes they are! Players like Adam and Henderson aren't performing anywhere near the kind of levels they were for their previous employers. Big fish in a small pond becoming small fish in a big pond perhaps? I'd argue that Liverpool have been poor for years, I mean we're pretty much just a cup side and have been since 1992. You can belittle other Liverpool fans, that's your choice, but I understand the concerns of Liverpool supporters who are worried about the direction we are heading.

If we want to become a successful football club, then we need to be doing as well in the league as we are in cup competitions. We need to be able to attract genuine top quality footballers and we'll only do that when we're challenging for the league on a consistent basis and when we are in the Champions League season after season. We cannot hope to attract top quality footballers with an FA Cup and Carling Cup victory, Europa League football and a mid-table league finish.

Ok
So how did we attract someone with the quality of Suarez?


By the way, which Liverpool supporters have I belittled?

[Boxscarf]

The same way we attracted Torres, Alonso, Mascherano etc. We signed him from a 'smaller club'. If we tried for instance to sign someone like Claudio Marchisio from Juventus, then he'd probably reject us to remain a Juventus player. However, if we bidded for someone like Alvaro Negredo from Sevilla, we stand a good chance of signing him because Sevilla are not on the same level as us in terms of ability to offer high end wages or offer him the chance to play for a major European club. Now, if next season we finished 2nd in the league and had Champions League football, then our pool of players becomes so much wider and we have more scope to work with etc.

Ajax to Liverpool was a step up for Suarez, but if Barcelona or Real Madrid came in for Suarez then Suarez would rightly see that as a step up etc. That is why it is important that we strive to become the top team in England and Europe once more. Once we're there or thereabouts then we can sign more players with the finesse of Luis Suarez and things become much better for us.

[supersub]

I'm concerned that the body language of Luis last night after the game, indicated he may be on his way this summer.Stayed on the pitch for ages waving

[RedAnt]

I'm concerned that the body language of Luis last night after the game, indicated he may be on his way this summer.Stayed on the pitch for ages waving

Noticed that myself, but perhaps it was nothing more than an end of season thing since it was the last time he'd play in front of the Kop this season. Maybe it was a Urguayan thing, or dutch. I hope so anyway.

[andy_g]

I'm concerned that the body language of Luis last night after the game, indicated he may be on his way this summer.Stayed on the pitch for ages waving

he was probably claiming handball, or a corner, or something

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Falcao cost Atletico Madrid around the same price as Andy Carroll, thus far this season Falcao has scored 33 goals in 46 matches. Could we have not signed Falcao in January of last year?

If a club is going to splash the cash like that, it needs to be on proven quality, you don't fork out £35m on a player with the potential to be a class act five or ten years down the line. You pay that sort of money for proven quality like Torres, like Aguero, like Falcao.

I believe if we had a manager and a Director of Football with more knowledge of genuine quality from places like Spain, Italy, Portugal, South America and Asia that we'd have had a lot more success in the transfer market last summer.

I'm pretty sure for the £20m we paid for Downing that would have signed someone much better, I bet if we added a few more million to things we could have potentially signed Juan Mata and even if we missed out then at least we'd have shown a modicum of ambition.

but the thing is we dont know if falcao would be a hit in england, look at schevchenko, when chelsea signed him most of the journalists and even most of the fans in the country were saying just give the title and CL to chelsea now, dont bother playing the games because it`s a foregone conclusion.
when united signed veron everyone thought he`d be a huge star in this country, he was the best playmaker in italian football and looked like a rolls royce of a footballer on the international stage but struggled to cope in england. both of those signings cost near £30m and that was years ago.
even dirk, we signed him because he broke all sorts of goalscoring records in holland and i remember when we were in for cisse, people were speaking about him with the same reverance you are using with falcao, apparently we were signing the best striker in europe!
i believe we payed over the odds for carroll and henderson but i believe in 2 or 3 seasons they will both be huge players for this club.

[woof woof !]

Last night Souness described Suarez as a player with an "exploding head" . I kind of understand where he's coming from, as I've often been disquieted by some of the stuff Suarez puts into his game, to be blunt .............he's often  "dirty" and sly with his challenges, more embarrassingly when pulled up he then tries to make out that the obvious foul was in fact accidental. .

e.g Against Chelsea last night he deliberately got his arm around Ivanovic's neck who then went down as though he'd been stabbed, not looking to defend Ivanovic but the fella was certainly fouled, my gripe is more about how Suarez spent the next couple of minutes trying to make out how concerned he was about any hurt he may have inflicted on the Chelsea player, giving him the old "pat on the back and the sorry mate are you OK " routine, Suarez's apologetic antics went on for so long that even a Liverpool team mate felt obliged to try and pull Suarez away, (another cause for worry as it then looked like Suarez was telling his team mate to fk off). Meanwhile I'm watching and thinking " just take the card and stop the f'ucking play acting"

Clearly our most talented player BUT imo a bit of a head case, and not in a good way.I think he's already negatively marked on the ref's radar before a game has even kicked off. Can see that going against us as more and more decisions due to his "reputation" are awarded to the opposition.

IMO, Kenny deffo needs to have a word .

Anybody else share my concerns ?

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

I'm concerned that the body language of Luis last night after the game, indicated he may be on his way this summer.Stayed on the pitch for ages waving

  Nice one SS

[stmichael]

Last night Souness described Suarez as a player with an "exploding head" . I kind of understand where he's coming from, as I've often been disquieted by some of the stuff Suarez puts into his game, to be blunt .............he's often  "dirty" and sly with his challenges, more embarrassingly when pulled up he then tries to make out that the obvious foul was in fact accidental. .

e.g Against Chelsea last night he deliberately got his arm around Ivanovic's neck who then went down as though he'd been stabbed, not looking to defend Ivanovic but the fella was certainly fouled, my gripe is more about how Suarez spent the next couple of minutes trying to make out how concerned he was about any hurt he may have inflicted on the Chelsea player, giving him the old "pat on the back and the sorry mate are you OK " routine, Suarez's apologetic antics went on for so long that even a Liverpool team mate felt obliged to try and pull Suarez away, (another cause for worry as it then looked like Suarez was telling his team mate to fk off). Meanwhile I'm watching and thinking " just take the card and stop the f'ucking play acting"

Clearly our most talented player BUT imo a bit of a head case, and not in a good way.I think he's already negatively marked on the ref's radar before a game has even kicked off. Can see that going against us as more and more decisions due to his "reputation" are awarded to the opposition.

IMO, Kenny deffo needs to have a word .

Anybody else share my concerns ?

he's certainly got a bit of "an edge" to him but i don't think you can take that out of him. the ivanovic thing last night was blown out of all proportion because it was suarez. yes it was unecessary but there was far worse. essien's sh#thouse assault on carroll was one of the worst challenges i've seen all season yet he got away with it, and it's not as if he hasn't got previous. ivanovic shouldn't even have been on the pitch after the penalty incident. a blatant deliberate elbow into the ribs is violent conduct and an automatic red.

the best players are always a bit mental 

[supersub]

I'm concerned that the body language of Luis last night after the game, indicated he may be on his way this summer.Stayed on the pitch for ages waving

  Nice one SS

Apparently he has tweeted today...saying last night was great way to end and goodbye...

Lakes do you follow Luis Suarez 

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Last night Souness described Suarez as a player with an "exploding head" . I kind of understand where he's coming from, as I've often been disquieted by some of the stuff Suarez puts into his game, to be blunt .............he's often  "dirty" and sly with his challenges, more embarrassingly when pulled up he then tries to make out that the obvious foul was in fact accidental. .

e.g Against Chelsea last night he deliberately got his arm around Ivanovic's neck who then went down as though he'd been stabbed, not looking to defend Ivanovic but the fella was certainly fouled, my gripe is more about how Suarez spent the next couple of minutes trying to make out how concerned he was about any hurt he may have inflicted on the Chelsea player, giving him the old "pat on the back and the sorry mate are you OK " routine, Suarez's apologetic antics went on for so long that even a Liverpool team mate felt obliged to try and pull Suarez away, (another cause for worry as it then looked like Suarez was telling his team mate to fk off). Meanwhile I'm watching and thinking " just take the card and stop the f'ucking play acting"

Clearly our most talented player BUT imo a bit of a head case, and not in a good way.I think he's already negatively marked on the ref's radar before a game has even kicked off. Can see that going against us as more and more decisions due to his "reputation" are awarded to the opposition.

IMO, Kenny deffo needs to have a word .

Anybody else share my concerns ?

i think you need that in a successful side, not neccessarily the theatrics but definately the best sides have all had an edge to their game.
we certainly had one in our heyday